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    381 month ago

    Are US soldiers allowed to refused to obey unlawful orders, and if they enforce such, can they be sued and/or charged criminally in civilian courts?

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      41 month ago

      Yes and no. The real problem is the moral and ethical constitution of a service person… Or lack of.

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      391 month ago

      Yes sort of. The UCMJ requires only that one obey “lawful” orders. However, what constitutes unlawful is like everything else in law, difficult to say rigorously. It is a risk for troops to disobey. A risk, nevertheless, worth taking in some cases.

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        111 month ago

        Could some protesters (at least, theoretically) tackle down a Marine, and put him under citizen’s arrest, insisting that the Chief of the LA (or Compton) police, Sheriff of LA, and Newsom enforce California state law?

        (Indeed, could this apply to the NG, ICE, or whatever other goons Trump has sic-ed on LA? and other places?)

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          191 month ago

          Well, yes they could tackle them. And in fact they could ask a sheriff to do anything. Sheriffs actually do have an obscene amount of power in many jurisdictions. But have this work out in their favor? Nah. Supremacy Clause and law of more firepower isn’t going to go well in that, I suspect.

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            21 month ago

            Also, marines tend to have very good CQB training. And, you know, the rest of their platoon - or at least, fireteam - backing them up.

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        101 month ago

        That’s why they got rid of all the military lawyers, so there is no one to tell them that the orders are illegal. These soldiers better read up on the law themselves because they will be vulnerable.