Heroin can be lethal the first time you try it. People were dying of opioids because of heroin long before fentanyl was on the streets and people were dying from oxycontin too.
Does fentanyl kill more? Yes, because again I am not disagreeing that it is far more powerful, that there are scumbags who mislabel supply or purposely adulterate drugs to make them seem more potent, etc
I’d just argue that your point of view is a war on drugs bullshit take that only started to give a shit about the addiction crisis once vice and youtube dummies starting making fentanyl a buzzword. It’s overly myopic and ignores the systemic factors that drive people to use.
So you regulate supply. Then what? Fentanyl is already regulated. It still doesn’t address the fact that 95% of the people on the streets in Kensington are seen as utter trash and society is waiting for them to die. It still doesn’t address that someone on their way to that place has no real support if they don’t come from a rich family (and honestly even then it’s not great?)
I do absolutely agree with you that safe access to regulated drugs is absolutely necessary. If addicts could get pharmaceutical grade heroin, fentanyl, cocaine, etc it would ensure safe reliable dosing in a monitored site that could support overdose if it occurs (remember that overdoses are not inherently fatal), it would essentially completely disarm the cartels (unless they fully shift to avocados or whatever), and it would allow you to regularly connect with addicts to encourage treatment and connect with resources like housing and welfare
But whenever these programs get trialed (just the clean needle stuff, no way the dea lets the drug part happen) the conservatives go nuts and the libs let out their inner NIMBY conservative so they get their funding cut and often shut down, even when data supports their existence
I’d just argue that your point of view is a war on drugs bullshit take that only started to give a shit about the addiction crisis once vice and youtube dummies starting making fentanyl a buzzword.
Okay I’m not even reading past this incredibly insulting and unnecessarily hostile crap. You know how to run your mouth but you have a lot to learn about being heard.
I will note that I did not personally attack you, I did say that your point of view is bullshit and based on fearmongering, but you’re the one that has taken this to personal attacks and name calling.
your point of view is a war on drugs bullshit take that only started to give a shit about the addiction crisis once vice and youtube dummies starting making fentanyl a buzzword.
You said my point of view is just parroting social media influencers. Where in this is any discussion of ideas? You’re calling me a thoughtless buzzword regurgitator. What the fuck do you know? This was totally unnecessary and uncalled for.
Your little lecture here is just you trying to make it to the door with your dignity after you damn well know you overstepped and behaved like an asshole. This is the refuge of someone who cannot be accountable for their own behavior, and I have no ideas to exchange with a child like that, who slings barbs and then lectures about ideas. You have your orders and I expect you to carry them out.
Heroin can be lethal the first time you try it. People were dying of opioids because of heroin long before fentanyl was on the streets and people were dying from oxycontin too.
Does fentanyl kill more? Yes, because again I am not disagreeing that it is far more powerful, that there are scumbags who mislabel supply or purposely adulterate drugs to make them seem more potent, etc
I’d just argue that your point of view is a war on drugs bullshit take that only started to give a shit about the addiction crisis once vice and youtube dummies starting making fentanyl a buzzword. It’s overly myopic and ignores the systemic factors that drive people to use.
So you regulate supply. Then what? Fentanyl is already regulated. It still doesn’t address the fact that 95% of the people on the streets in Kensington are seen as utter trash and society is waiting for them to die. It still doesn’t address that someone on their way to that place has no real support if they don’t come from a rich family (and honestly even then it’s not great?)
I do absolutely agree with you that safe access to regulated drugs is absolutely necessary. If addicts could get pharmaceutical grade heroin, fentanyl, cocaine, etc it would ensure safe reliable dosing in a monitored site that could support overdose if it occurs (remember that overdoses are not inherently fatal), it would essentially completely disarm the cartels (unless they fully shift to avocados or whatever), and it would allow you to regularly connect with addicts to encourage treatment and connect with resources like housing and welfare
But whenever these programs get trialed (just the clean needle stuff, no way the dea lets the drug part happen) the conservatives go nuts and the libs let out their inner NIMBY conservative so they get their funding cut and often shut down, even when data supports their existence
Okay I’m not even reading past this incredibly insulting and unnecessarily hostile crap. You know how to run your mouth but you have a lot to learn about being heard.
Okay, keep vilifying substances instead of systemic issues because someone wasn’t kind enough about it
GFY
I will note that I did not personally attack you, I did say that your point of view is bullshit and based on fearmongering, but you’re the one that has taken this to personal attacks and name calling.
Attack ideas, not people
Gaslighting rejected. This is a personal attack:
You said my point of view is just parroting social media influencers. Where in this is any discussion of ideas? You’re calling me a thoughtless buzzword regurgitator. What the fuck do you know? This was totally unnecessary and uncalled for.
Your little lecture here is just you trying to make it to the door with your dignity after you damn well know you overstepped and behaved like an asshole. This is the refuge of someone who cannot be accountable for their own behavior, and I have no ideas to exchange with a child like that, who slings barbs and then lectures about ideas. You have your orders and I expect you to carry them out.