That is not my dog
Oh god am i glad. The amount of tankies is insane. Can’t wait for more middle and left leaning people to join.
I think there’s a few of them but they are highly vocal and unhinged. I only had to block 2 of them, and things seem pretty okay right now.
Yes, incredibly unhinged. Probably don’t ever talk to normal people.
Right like holy shit! I never even knew what the term tankie was till I came to Lemmy.
It’s like some people here want Stalin back in power, but for the whole world.
Yep. And everyone disagreeing obviously is just a nazi or doesn’t know history
You’re like a Nazi, cause you’re doing holocaust-relativism. The fact that you’re german makes it more scary.
What does the Great Leap Forward mean? What is the great Cultural Revolution? What does Tianenmen square massacre mean? What happens to the uyghurs right now?
The last time we spoke you couldn’t or didn’t want to answer any of these questions.Don’t feed them. If they get enough non-interaction maybe they’ll go outside and touch grass.
If i did, how would i spend my weekend?
Lemmy is still kinda empty, i have nothing better here to do than to tell people who dont touch grass how much not grass touching they’re doing.
I am enough of an ass to keep going. I will stop when we get more normal stuff to talk about.I’m sure something’s happening around you deserving your attention more than this guy.
Some apps let you block instances. Lock out Lemmygrad and Hexbear and you don’t see that many tankie takes unless you go looking.
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Mhhhh. Yes. Very normal behaviour. Telling others that they are subhuman. Totally making a good Argument to keep talking to you.
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I lean a lot in many directions but I blame it on the alcohol 😅
Not talking about you. I’m talking about the genocide deniers and "when you bring counter arguments that i have no answer to i will just argue with you on something else"people.
Alcohol is fine if it’s your cope or fun method.
Tankies aren’t drunk thoOh yeah I got it, I haven’t really directly encountered one yet but I’ve heard what they are about. Totally understand
Seriously block that fucking instance. I havent seen any tankies since the drama blew up.
Landlords are more insane. They’re scum.
Yep. Landlord are worse than millions of deaths and famines…
communism is when famine no iPhone vuvizela
L Take + coomunism + okay communist + capitalism is when you’re poor + communism is when our glorious leader makes us all starve + all hail the USSR + over 60 Million Deaths + 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region
Good Counterargument. Landlord is when slavery capitalism bad.
Said the dude, who doesn’t know what the word holocaust means…
What does the Great Leap Forward mean? What is the great Cultural Revolution? What does Tianenmen square massacre mean? What happens to the uyghurs right now?
The last time we spoke you couldn’t or didn’t want to answer any of these questions.Es macht halt keinen Sinn mit jemanden wie dir zu reden.
动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门
Was willst du damit bewirken? Kommst du dir nicht dumm vor? Dämonenvertreibung?
Said the CCP that denies uyghur genocide.
Sit down loser.I never denied anything about it. That’s your fantasy, bro. But that you don’t understand what the word holocaust means and that you are doing holocaust-relativism is a fact. Everybody can read your messages here on the platform.
Um es noch mal in deutsch auszudrücken: Ich schäme mich für dich, dass du sämtliche Aufarbeitungsdiskurse in diesem Land komplett ignorierst.
Moving goalpost
Deine Ziele sind ziemlich bitter. Bitte, beschäftige dich mit Habermas.
I’ve loved the thoughtful discourse on Lemmy, I’ve grown weary of seeing news about reddit in the feed. Reddit died long before this last bit, becoming a haven for a particular, ill informed, consensus seeking group.
Then tonight, I had a reddit moment here on Lemmy where some non socialized, rude, consensus seeking user wanted to snipe and sounded like an over protected , suburban, adolescent boy.
I haven’t seen one of those here yet and they are the absolute plague of open discourse .
Please Lemmy, don’t let it go on.
Im still mad confused. You cant just search a random sub"lemmy" and add it, you have to add a whole ass lemmy “channel”?
No, think of every instance as it’s own independent “reddit” that links to each other, and you can subscribe to and comment on the “subreddits” (called “communities”) of not just your home “reddit”, but the “subreddits” of other linked “reddits” with just one account.
Everyone can have their own Reddit
A Reddit has subreddits as well (communities inside)
Your account is made on and tied to a specific Reddit of your choice.
Your Reddit and its “stuff” can be seen by other Reddits normally.
However, if one Reddit decided they don’t fuck with your Reddit, they can remove it from their list of reddits they fuck with. This means that Reddit and their users won’t see your Reddit’s stuff anymore
It’s kinda like instead of having 1 cafeteria with a Bunch of lunch tables, we have a bunch of cafeterias, and each table can decide if they want to block out another cafeteria so they don’t have to hear them anymore. This doesn’t affect other cafeterias or who they do want to hear.
Reddit = Lemmy instance Subreddit = lemmy community
Hope this helped! Please correct me if I’m wrong as well
It’s different in the ways that matter.
ITT: “My problem with this platform where nobody is in charge is that it has more extremists than the platform where a for-profit corporation is in charge.”
Freedom of speech allows for freedom for everybody to speak for better or worse. This is an essential human right and should not be suppressed unless it harms one another.
This not a free speech instance. We won’t give extremists a platform. Please check our CoC on https://lemmy.world/legal
But the comment was about the platform, not the instance.
Though it’s good that you point this out about lemmy.world.
I do take issue with the label “extremists”. That’s a value judgement, which is a problematic thing.
Not allowing anything illegal, or clarifying specifically what isn’t allowed, is different than such a label.
Everyone’s definition of extremist is different. I don’t even use the label because it’s practically meaningless.
Ah sorry, didn’t see this was lemmy.world.
The Eternal September is impossible to dodge, unless you impose a usage fee and iron fisted moderation. People are dumb, even moreso online.
Ugh. I remember the first one.
Me too!
Me too!
Me too!
Me too!
What is the Eternal September?
lol the issue with lemmy isn’t an influx of users. it’s the outflux. all we’re left with is Hexbear and r/atheism
I wish I had the resources to open and maintain instances. There’s a few topics I followed on Reddit that I haven’t really found an alternative for.
As I understand it, the cost isnt a big issue. But if you dont want your instance becoming a cesspit, its the time you have to spend moderating.
It’s actually not that expensive but moderating that shit is horrible!
Can’t you just start a community, rather than needing your own instance?
I think as it grows, we’ll see more and more of the same crowd, but the structure of Lemmy will help the culture feel different.
Nobody can own Lemmy, by design. (Even the creators just have the .ml instance)
No ads, and no corporate pressures to be advertiser friendly.
No weird profit-driven decisions.
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I don’t mind the news bot ones as much as the ask Reddit type threads that get crossposted here. If the OP can’t even see our responses (since the discussion is on Reddit), and a bot created the thread here on Lemmy, what the hell is the point.
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I filtered off 99,9% of the bot from the setting, the rest seems pretty normal content. The “lack” of user is just what it is for a newly adopted platform. Ofk the small new community needs time but the progress in few months was incredible. We are not talking of social like Xitter/Thread, where all you need is to move the user and recreate the page. Reddit work as a big discussions database with years of old content wich new user search all the time to find guides and info, you can’t replace that overnight.
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I honestly just blocked like 2-3 newsbot users, and I barely see it anymore unless I scroll way too far.
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Well except for apps like Boost which are proprietary and has ads.
Yeah, but you can pay a pittance to remove the ads. It’s a one time fee of 3.50. Granted it’s still proprietary, but I chalk that up to the dev not knowing a lot about FOSS. Both the Sync and Boost devs came from developing Reddit apps and you need more cash flow to pay the proprietary API.
Unfortunately they’ll probably hide behind that logic and keep their apps proprietary
They took way too long to come to town, and now they have and it has ads, I don’t even want it, since Liftoff has pretty much the same UI and without ads.
Yes, but CAPITALISM!!!
The scenario of companies opting to host instances may happen, just to try to jump into the bandwagon, which could imply they could/would at some point start to run ads but I’d risk the instance would quickly be defederated and/or turned into a hell pit.
But the notion of seeing an instance being run by GOG, Valve/Steam (not a client or fan but I aknowledge they have put a lot of work towards Linux and gained a lot of support because of it), AMD (fanboy here, give me a pass), RPi (I am aware of the shady turn they have undergone) and other companies that have some degree of respect in the Fediverse could be interesting.
Say more about the shady turn for RPi?
Haven’t kept up with them for years but that seems like important info
Read on one thread here about the RPi5 they took the evil route by funneling most of their stock to enterprise customers, which hurts the DIY hobbyist and end users trying to get hardware for the proposed purpose, which should be experimenting and learning.
This causes market shortage and hiking prices.
Well said
Well, an instance could decide they wanted to try to make money, but I think everyone would just bail on them. People are more than happy to help out servers with donations, no need to make it a business venture.
I don’t think so. There are very few communities that actually successfully fully left reddit. A good number of them splintered across circlejerkers on multiple lemmy instances with the users remaining on reddit asking “what’s a lemmy” and staying put. The vast majority never left reddit at all, and don’t give a fuck that reddit is trying to build a business.
Where the lemmy hivemind fails is that a bunch of us are reddit refugees that lost our favorite mobile apps, so you get a bunch of delusional people here thinking that reddit is dead and lemmy is the best thing ever. It’s not. Lemmy has a lot of the same problems reddit had, and we’re just repeating history. Wait until you need to squash extremism, prevent illegal content, and people maintaining the main instance (don’t kid yourself, it’s lemmy.world) need to eat.
Not really what I was talking about, but ok.
the growing pains are necessary, as it was for every other platform before. but this one being FOSS and decentralized means, after it’s gone through that rite of passage, it’ll be in a much better position for serving its userbase than if it was being controlled by shareholders and profits.
better tools for seamlessly migrating communities between instances would be a godsend for the longevity of this platform, but they’re still handling the foundation last time I heard
For me, that’s not the case. I enjoyed the amount of content and discussion, but I just lost interest in reddit over time.
I saw the same jokes too often. I got sick of seeing the ads. The admins perma-banned my fiancee’s account, despite her never really commenting or posting. They never gave a reason for banning her, other than going against “policy”, which they never specified when asked. It would be the equivilant of being banned from every single instance. Some of the “helpful” communities were becoming much more toxic over time. I stayed despite that stuff.
Then, the API thing happened. It wasn’t that reddit wanted to profit, but rather how they went about it. Had they been honest with the developers when they asked at the start of the contract year, it would have been much smoother. You can’t change the cost of a yearly subscription halfway through the year. I disliked the provable false rumors that were spread about developers.
I disliked that Spez heavily implied that people leaving reddit would harm reddit employees. He didn’t make that statement about someone who made those threats, but instead he made it about the people leaving. It left a very bad taste in my mouth. I’m not monetarily supporting someone like that if I have any say in the matter.
I disliked the sudden overwhelming toxicity that I saw start against people who were recommending Lemmy. I get being rude to people who are rude, but it’s lame to be rude just because. Someone told me that I would be back, that I should just wait to see them right. That person helped me stay off reddit, tbh.
I don’t understand fanaticism, regardless of the company/platform/group, etc. If I start to dislike a social media, I will move somewhere that I like better. If Lemmy becomes like what Reddit is today, I’ll leave Lemmy too. There’s always something else. I also don’t really care if Reddit sinks or swims. That has nothing to do with me. If I get sick of all social media, I won’t use it. There are lots of other things to do with free time.
I picture the problem being someone doing that low-key. It’s common for app developers to get offers to install privacy-violating code in exchange for very tempting amounts of money - like, have a somewhat successful piano or to-do list app that you make $15k a year from? Wel, how about you install this spyware crap and we’ll give you $60,000. It’s difficult for small developers to say no. I could picture the same thing happening with Lemmy instances - a small change in ToS, some new JavaScript, and many people wouldn’t notice. At this point Lemmy members skew towards tech and privacy aware, but it could happen later on as the membership broadens.
Most of reddit’s content is user generated to some extent. If there’s bad content, it’s because of people. Most of lemmy’s content is user generated. Same cause same consequence.
If we want to delve into what could be different… moderation. Made by people (aside from very far-reaching illegal stuff, on both platforms).
Conclusion: the problem is people, not reddit nor lemmy.
Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Thank you for your contribution
Most of lemmy’s content is user generated
It feels like half the global feed is bot posts.
And half of that is a repost from Reddit, which was also a Reddit repost.
If people will be people, the interesting difference will be how the platform works. I guess this is the true test of the federated approach. What does it hinder or facilitate in practice and what are the actual effects?
Don’t worry, lemmy definitely beats Reddit in the socially maladjusted toxic asshole department.
The 1% of super awkward people. It’s like 50% love and 50% borderline violent ideological debates.
I truly enjoy a good debate “in good faith” where both parties lay out their positions and defend themselves and challenge my views. There’s very little of that here. Just pure unbridled rage and astonishing ignorance.
A lot is just assuming your opponent’s views. Strawmanning all day. And I do it, too. I like to try to roll it back at some point.
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Extremely toxic here. Based on what I’ve seen today it’s not even worth coming back
Some of the people here are downright scary in how toxic and antisocial they are. I just got called a social vampire in another thread for having the audacity to say I personally want to return to office because I miss learning from colleagues, which just doesn’t really happen when everyone is wfh. I’m pretty introverted myself but holy shit, the vitriol was intense. Unbelievable.
They’re the people who are in the bottom percentile of intelligence, but fail to realize it and instead think every thought they copied from someone else is God’s gift to man. Instead of being smart enough to think or move on they’d rather just exist in their bedroom dwelling on the infinite doomscrolling mentality where every other loser who congregates the forum pats them on the back for being another copy-pasted tankie with no social skills.
I have blocked so many communities from showing up because I know I’m going to just see the same trite extremist weirdos over and over. Still would rather use this for memes and random info scrolling over reddit simply because of the development policy differences
I said I miss learning through osmosis, when you hear colleagues talking about something you may have heard of or read about but never seen in real life. So you get hands on practical real life experience on new concepts - or vice versa, teach someone else something new. You know, a healthy exchange of knowledge and ideas to help each other learn and grow. Fuck me, right?
This guy posted a 3000 word rant about how much he hates me, and he’s going to need weeks to prepare for that mentally and make sure he’s got the right outfit on and knows what kind of soda to offer me. Like dude wtf…
Think I actually remember seeing this lol. I saw some fuckin weirdo on a post about how quality of life and level of extreme poverty has only risen saying he doesn’t care about that, just that he’s fighting to stay work from home, that no doctor will agree with him on being adhd, and that he’s tired of working a job that he HAS to socialize with people saying he wish he hadn’t been born. Meanwhile, long term relationship, no money problems, but boohoo life is so unfair and the usual city dweller cringe doomerisms.
These people are fucking delusional and in their own psychosis I swear.
I’ve had 2-3 experiences like that on Lemmy and kbin, but far more on reddit. On Lemmy it tends to be “intelligent but deranged person who hates you” while reddit tends to be “insane or unintelligent person who hates you”.
Yes, this exactly. I’ve had to block 2 of them and everything’s been smooth sailing since.
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If someone starts out aggressive or insulting but is willing to have a real conversation, great. Some people are relentlessly angry or condescending and at that point, fuck 'em. I don’t need that in my life.
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Sorry you’ve had that experience. My experience is lemmy is less full of hate and BS than reddit, at least.
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I debated it for quite a while because they were legitimately trying to have conversations, but they were tankies and rather aggressive. Finally just pulled the trigger and I’m happy I did.
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Oh nice. We can finally got some non-tech, non-foss subs going.
I’m on arch btw
Can’t we let that joke die? It’s so overused!
I use EndeavourOS btw
Have you tried the dos command line setup?
Dos command line as in… DOS?
No can’t say i have
real big peen energy here
It’s Arch, but not.
It’s arch, but preconfigured
Which is nice since i used to roll arch, but i’m terrible at setting stuff up to a usable state
At one hand, I like lemmy for being smaller and cozier, but on the other, the possibility of reddit becoming unprofitable due to lost users is so awesome to be missed.
COME ON REDDITORS, JOIN LEMMY AND LET REDDIT ROT!
Lemmy is a reddit clone with users from reddit. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
Two of the biggest Reddit apps converted to Lemmy recently too
Which?
boost and sync
Can confirm, I am booster
Can confirm, I am syncer
Also Eternity (infinity for reddit fork)
It wasn’t this way before. Lemmy had existed for years before Eternal September.
Ok but how do we set ourselves apart? Almost every new community is just reddit clone. There isn’t innovation. We are better and smarter and more dedicated, but we are just putting up with being decentralized reddit.
I propose everyone defederates Lemmy.world.
Then they become reddit v2, more so than they already are, and the rest of us build something different.
And the cunty admins can deal with all the BS that comes with that label.
Last I checked, there is nothing like [email protected] on reddit, I briefly ran an animal communication sub there, but abandoned it when I switched over a few months ago. There’s lots of exciting stuff happening at the intersection of AI and animal communication!
Edit: https://lemmy.world/c/digitalbioacoustics - I’m not sure which type of link works the best for people
Oh yeah! Good on you, that community is very cool.
Thanks! I really appreciate you saying that.
This blog post makes a point about how the strength of the Fediverse is that things can be decentralized into topic-specific instances instead of general use communities.
I am on StarTrek.Website. We only host Star Trek communities. It is much nicer there than on Lemmy.World.
Just about anywhere is better than Lemmy.world though.
we are just putting up with being decentralized reddit.
What’s wrong with that? I didn’t have much issue with Reddit other than the corporate ownership/dick moves by corporate leadership.
That’s a good retort, actually. Huh. I didn’t like reddit much, and I guess ideally I’d use more of a decentralized tumblr or something else new and experimental. Lemmy is probably the wrong space for me, in that case…
- The name
- The domain(s)
- The clients(kinda…)
- The people(hmmm…)
No 4 trumps all the rest
While they didn’t make an ideal environment, the people are not why i ultimately left Reddit
lemmy is exactly the same. each community has a set of mods who can basically do whatever they want that was always the problem with reddit. express an opinion a moderator doesn’t like? you’re banned say something unpopular? your comment drops to nothing and never gets read Lemmy doesn’t solve that problem. it’s only better than reddit right now, because its new as soon as more people discover it, the exact same story will play out again enjoy it while it lasts!
Here, we can test it. “I’m a christian. Anal sex is associated with increased transmission of infectious diseases.”
Some identities are protected, some arent. Even factual statements can be misinterpreted as “phobias” or “discrimination” combine the two, and its easy to get banned.
all of these online communities are just a method for basement dwelling LARPers to get their kicks and pretend to be thought police. If any genuine interactions occur, it’s by accident, not by design. I’m here for the beautiful accidents, but I fully realize it’s just a countdown timer to me being banned and i don’t care. i could get banned from every lemmy instance right this second and i wouldn’t care. All this is to me, is an opportunity to knock on your door, offer a chance to you to wake the fuck up and realize you’re being manipulated. I learned that I was a christian while I was tripping balls on psychedelics. We’re all the same consciousness, down to every atom, every insect, and every human. Gender doesn’t exist. We’re on a planet that is doomed to end in fire either sooner, or later. And the universe will eventually go dark no matter what we do. And you’re being manipulated into thinking there is no God because you’re easier to control that way.
Well it would be great if people could disagree without being disagreeable. Without disparaging others or name calling, belittling etc etc. But people will be people that much is guaranteed
How come you became a Christian while tripping? Was it shrooms, acid or something else? Do you act on your beliefs in some way, like going to church or reading Kierkegaard?
