A well-funded group of anti-Trump conservatives has sent its donors a remarkably candid memo that reveals how resilient former President Donald J. Trump has been against millions of dollars of negative ads the group deployed against him in two early-voting states.
The political action committee, called Win It Back, has close ties to the influential fiscally conservative group Club for Growth. It has already spent more than $4 million trying to lower Mr. Trump’s support among Republican voters in Iowa and nearly $2 million more trying to damage him in South Carolina.
But in the memo — dated Thursday and obtained by The New York Times — the head of Win It Back PAC, David McIntosh, acknowledges to donors that after extensive testing of more than 40 anti-Trump television ads, “all attempts to undermine his conservative credentials on specific issues were ineffective.”
The memo will provide little reassurance to the rest of the field of Mr. Trump’s Republican rivals that there is any elusive message out there that can work to deflate his support.
“Even when you show video to Republican primary voters — with complete context — of President Trump saying something otherwise objectionable to primary voters, they find a way to rationalize and dismiss it,” Mr. McIntosh states in the “key learnings” section of the memo.
“Every traditional postproduction ad attacking President Trump either backfired or produced no impact on his ballot support and favorability,” Mr. McIntosh adds. “This includes ads that primarily feature video of him saying liberal or stupid comments from his own mouth.”
For the polling underpinning its analysis, Win It Back used WPA Intelligence — a firm that also works for the super PAC supporting Mr. Trump’s chief rival in the race for the presidential nomination, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida.
Examples of “failed” ads cited in the memo included attacks on Mr. Trump’s “handling of the pandemic, promotion of vaccines, praise of Dr. Fauci, insane government spending, failure to build the wall, recent attacks on pro-life legislation, refusal to fight woke issues, openness to gun control, and many others.” (Dr. Anthony S. Fauci led the national response to the Covid pandemic.)
The list of failed attacks is notable because it includes many of the arguments that Mr. DeSantis has tried against Mr. Trump. The former president leads Mr. DeSantis by more than 40 points in national polls and by around 30 points in Iowa, where Mr. DeSantis’s team believes he has the best shot of defeating Mr. Trump. Mr. McIntosh, a former Indiana congressman who co-founded the Club for Growth and the Federalist Society, makes it clear in the memo that any anti-Trump messages need to be delivered with kid gloves. That might explain why Mr. DeSantis’s super PAC, Never Back Down, has treated Mr. Trump gingerly, even in ads meant to contrast his character and his record unfavorably against Mr. DeSantis’s accomplishments.
“Broadly acceptable messages against President Trump with Republican primary voters that do not produce a meaningful backlash include sharing concerns about his ability to beat President Biden, expressions of Trump fatigue due to the distractions he creates and the polarization of the country, as well as his pattern of attacking conservative leaders for self-interested reasons,” Mr. McIntosh writes in the memo.
“It is essential to disarm the viewer at the opening of the ad by establishing that the person being interviewed on camera is a Republican who previously supported President Trump,” he adds, “otherwise, the viewer will automatically put their guard up, assuming the messenger is just another Trump-hater whose opinion should be summarily dismissed.”
The polling conducted for Win It Back showed diminishing returns for the anti-Trump messaging and emphasized that Mr. Trump benefited from the fact that his rivals were still dividing up the non-Trump vote.
In Iowa, Win It Back observed that in the areas where it ran ads, Mr. Trump’s likely share of the Republican vote fell by four percentage points. In the areas where the group did not advertise, Mr. Trump’s support grew by five points.
Mr. DeSantis has made his handling of the pandemic a centerpiece of his campaign. But the analysis suggests that this strategy leads to a dead end.
The memo says this of Win It Back’s most promising pandemic-themed ad: “This ad was our best creative on the pandemic and vaccines that we tested in focus group settings, but it still produced a backlash in our online randomized controlled experiment — improving President Trump’s ballot support by four points and net favorability by 11 points.”
Win It Back did not bother running ads focused on Mr. Trump as an instigator of political violence or as a threat to democracy. The group tested in a focus group and online panel an ad called “Risk,” narrated by former Representative Liz Cheney, that focused on Mr. Trump’s actions on Jan. 6, 2021. But the group found that the Cheney ad helped Mr. Trump with the Republican voters, according to Mr. McIntosh. (Link from article to ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Mgjs7Gp874)
In a section of the memo titled “next steps,” Mr. McIntosh concludes, “We plan to continue developing and testing ads to deploy when there are signs of consolidation.”
Sounds like the journalist didn’t understand the memo.
The key messages that I’m seeing flagged up are that they did find a method which basically involves former trump supporters giving their reasons for disavowing him, and that trumps share of the vote dropped 4 points where they ran ads versus a 5 point growth where they did not. That’s a 9 point swing against trump by running ads - that sounds pretty effective.
That they found things that don’t work are also positives as it means they’ve refining their method. We remain early in the primary process nota single vote has been cast yet and there are still 3 months until the the first vote.
The problem is a 9 ppoitn swing against a candidate doesn’t mean much when there isn’t a viable alternative for that to benefit. What they really need is a candidate to coalesce republican opposition behind. At the moment none of the candidates seem up to it.
A 9-point swing is nothing when your next candidate is 40 points behind you.
What they really need is a candidate to coalesce republican opposition behind.
This can’t happen, because they’re all trying to out-Trump Trump in various ways. There is very little actual Republican policy, and what policy exists is broadly unpopular, so their only game plan is to stoke hatred and partisanship and hope their voters either fear or hate Dems enough to vote for the GOP.
Trump won the nomination in 2016 because their primaries are a winner take all system, and you just need a plurality. The sane vote was diluted amongst like 10 Republicans all incredibly ambitious. And because of that, Trump had the plurality.
They could’ve stopped it. But all of them were too proud and selfish to do so. He is the monster they made.
Those face eating leopards are at it again
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well at least they’re still wasting their money
Maga Republicans must pay a social and economic price for their fascist views. We need a pin or a hat that supports democracy as a fuck you to the red hats.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
But in the memo — dated Thursday and obtained by The New York Times — the head of Win It Back PAC, David McIntosh, acknowledges to donors that after extensive testing of more than 40 anti-Trump television ads, “all attempts to undermine his conservative credentials on specific issues were ineffective.”
For the polling underpinning its analysis, Win It Back used WPA Intelligence — a firm that also works for the super PAC supporting Mr. Trump’s chief rival in the race for the presidential nomination, Gov.
Examples of “failed” ads cited in the memo included attacks on Mr. Trump’s “handling of the pandemic, promotion of vaccines, praise of Dr. Fauci, insane government spending, failure to build the wall, recent attacks on pro-life legislation, refusal to fight woke issues, openness to gun control, and many others.” (Dr. Anthony S. Fauci led the national response to the Covid pandemic.)
Mr. McIntosh, a former Indiana congressman who co-founded the Club for Growth and the Federalist Society, makes it clear in the memo that any anti-Trump messages need to be delivered with kid gloves.
“Broadly acceptable messages against President Trump with Republican primary voters that do not produce a meaningful backlash include sharing concerns about his ability to beat President Biden, expressions of Trump fatigue due to the distractions he creates and the polarization of the country, as well as his pattern of attacking conservative leaders for self-interested reasons,” Mr. McIntosh writes in the memo.
The polling conducted for Win It Back showed diminishing returns for the anti-Trump messaging and emphasized that Mr. Trump benefited from the fact that his rivals were still dividing up the non-Trump vote.
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So, they tried every “message” except actually bad things he’s done? Call him a corrupt, incompetent loser who is too fucking stupid to make money running a casino, much less have any real responsibilities. The list of example messages that failed is all the good things he did (usually reluctantly).
If they want to convince Trumpists, how about they test “Trump is a loudmouth bozo who never had the juice to pull off a coup. And now the Proud Boys and Rudy Giuliani and everyone else he knows are doing GoFundMe’s to buy enough soap-on-a-rope to last through their jail sentences.”
doing GoFundMe’s to buy enough soap-on-a-rope to last through their jail sentences.
Lol good one made me laugh
The list of example messages that failed is all the good things he did (usually reluctantly).
Yeah but these are things Republican voters hate with a passion. Showing them he was a bad president won’t work, you need to show them he’s “woke”. Only that didn’t work either.
It’s because Trump’s base aren’t rational thinkers weighing the pros and cons of each political candidate, they’re cult members that have fully invested their identity into Donald Fucking Trump, the you’re fired guy.
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“Conservative” in the US is not a word that describes a set of policy preferences. Not even a suite of psychological proclivities. A conservative is a person who supports the tribe, without question or reservation. You cannot undermine trump’s conservative credentials, loyalty to trump is how the base defines conservatism. Anyone who tells you not to support trump cannot, in their view, be a conservative.
Doomed to fail from the start.
That’s not something inherent to conservativism. It’s just a facet of the present-day conservative party.
It kinda is inherent to conservatism. See the Frank Wilhout quote for reference.
The right was traditionally the royalists prior to their involvement in democracy. It’s all about loyalty, and about preserving a hierarchy and basically nothing else…and it always was.
Leftists can have those tendencies as well.
And anarcho capitalists / libertarians / similar are 100% not about preserving a hierarchy. They used to exist in the right wing, before it got taken over by a cult of personality.
Right libertarians are like left tankies, they’re all a mirage and are really authoritarians trying to preserve or enforce a hierarchy based upon loyalty to some idiot at the top.
Anarcho capitalists are the same. They want only enough state to enforce contracts, enforce borders, have corporations, and an army. That’s basically the whole government minus a few social services and is not anarchy by any real definition of the word.
They’re all distinctions without a difference.
Edit: I’ve known people that were basically all of these things except tankies at any given moment depending upon what they thought the argument required and/or their level of drunkenness.
There’s clear psychological differences between those who label themselves “conservative” and those that don’t. And one of the clear differences is the inherent tribalism among conservatives.
That’s not something inherent to conservativism. It’s just a facet of the present-day conservative party.
Are you a one line bot? Please continue to cling to your one sentence armor.
When you say something that doesn’t address my point, I feel the need to restate my point
Democrats suck shitballs with messaging because they too are shitbags who somehow think they’re better than conservatives.
They need to attack the conservatives false values. Not Trump.
These are ads from Republicans though. Watch the video
Maybe . . . But maybe we don’t wanna be Stonecutters no more . . .
you can’t sway a Trump voter with reason… they are too cowardly for reality and reason, that’s why they cling to him… he is their magic Get out of Reality Free card, and they’re not going to give that up…
You can’t fix stupid.
Who could have predicted it would be hard to change conservatives’ minds? Obviously not the conservatives who pushed for low-IQ fascism to win some low-IQ votes.
To win a LOT of votes, which is the problem.
Unfortunately I also suspect most of the GOP see this as a very good thing, long-term. The Trump thing is only a short term issue, turning the party into a mindless cult otherwise is very very good for preserving the base - it no longer matters what they actually do or say, they will still get the votes.
The issue is that Trump is wildly popular with their base and wildly unpopular outside of it. The indictments made him lose support except with the base. The Republicans are incapable of defying their base. They just give them more and more and more.
And that makes them less and less palatable to the moderates and independents. In the midterms they rejected the conspiracy, Trumpy candidates that the base loved.
It’ll be left to see how the margins shake out, by I’m optimistic this is horrible news for them. It’s one thing to put forward an incumbent who’s old. It’s another to put forward the same candidate who’s heavily disliked and also old.
The issue is these people are tied to Trump, not neccesarily the Republican party.
When Trump dies will the yoga community continue voting Republican? Doubtful.
I didn’t realizr that the stretchpants demographic leaned heavily Republican
Check out the podcast Conspirituality, and their book from AK press.
The spirituality and wellness community has always been viewed as being of the left merely because counter cultures are always assumed to be leftist, and there certainly are leftists in the space, but these are communities largely built off anti-modernism and orientalism, with an unquestioned trust in unregulated capitalism.
It also doesn’t hurt that Nazis are able to infiltrate these communities incredibly easily, because the Aryan creation myth developed by the Nazis was stolen from Helena Blavotsky, who pretty much developed Indo-European esoteria. Most forms of yoga practiced by white people are also descended from Bikram yoga, which was a Hindu nationalist cult.
The spirituality community is not itself fascist, but its overt apoliticalness is definitely a vector point for far right ideologies to be laundered for upper middle class white women.
That’s the thing about cults, once you’re in you’re in.
When Trump finally dies, the crunchy yoga moms will pass their faith on to whoever the next cult leader is.
