Yes, and thats not a good thing.
Why?
Communism, as practiced, is inherently fascist. Its essentially state slavery, because if you don’t work, you will be sent to labor camps where you will work. The workers do not consent.
as practiced
People who agree with communism “as practiced” are usually ridiculed by others on lemmy, from what I’ve seen.
In capitalism, what happens if I - an average citizen - refuses to work?
Well you won’t be thrown in a work camp. You can beg, go to soup kitchens, go innawoods, do whatever.
If you refuse to work in a communist country, they will make you work, or just execute you.
Depends if he is smart enough to invest his money in a way that will allow him to live comfortably. In communism you are not allowed to do that.
So do you think everyone- or at least the vast majority of people could do this all simultaneously? If they were all smart enough?
Who then would work?
Average is never enough, you have to be above average in order to achieve that. (or extremely lucky, but that’s just that, an extreme). If the whole population was highly intelligent we would have achieved luxury space communism by now, but unfortunately that’s impossible to achieve just yet.
So then are all working class persons just not smart enough, is that what you’re saying? That the small minority of people who can afford to not work are just better, while those who work could stop if only they were smarter?
For rightwingers, maybe. But rightwingers are literal scum and should be removed from existence, so that’s moot.
What do you think the ‘ml’ stands for in Lemmy.ml?
…machine learning? (Not really)
milliliters
Yes of course 😉
Mali
Yeah, it would be a good thing if Lemmy AND Reddit were more left, but what can ya do.
Any new people here dont listen to this one, it stenches of hard cope.
We have a lot of bassed people and not based people, people that take critisism and people that dont, we have tankies and actual communists, we have american leftists and non american leftists, we have centrists and people that hate centrists, we have people that whant to get to the truth of things and people that just whants to circlejerk. And you have idiots like me that are masochistic by hitting the wasps nest and get stung a fuck ton of times but still come back fore more and we have the people that are the wasps.
Pick wathever you like and have fun, but not like this guy is doing, this is the oposite of fun, just check out the downvotes im gonna get.
I can do worse than downvote you.
I’m going to remove all the labels off your canned goods so you don’t know what you’re opening till you do.
all the alt-right accounts have been made.
/updates queer agenda and slightly bi spreadsheets.
Scrolling through all these up and downvoted comments:
Ahh, that’s what they call controversial.
Reddit is the most leftist platform I’ve used since Twitter (not X) lol
I think the only conservative spaces were the ones constantly getting banned or shunned… and DankMemes 😂
I’m gonna say some stuff that most of the people here probably know on some level, but considering this thread, I think it needs to be explicitly said.
Very few of the people who post comments on the internet are highly educated in whatever field they’re making a claim in. Getting challenged by people who know next to nothing and receive all the upvotes anyway is an exhausting experience, so many well-educated people keep their debates private. If they are here, you probably aren’t enough of an expert to recognize them. The simple, easy to understand takes are what get upvoted, and in-depth, nuanced ideas are almost always ignored or ridiculed. Most forums are full of people who know just enough to feel confident in making calls for radical action without any knowledge of how that action could be implemented or would play out.
Look through this comment section. Lots of vague, single-sentence arguments about being “capitalist,” “communist,” or “socialist,” along with “leftist,” “liberal,” or “conservative,” but I don’t see a single one acknowledging that each of those words can individually encompass vast groups of conflicting ideas and have wildly different meanings in different parts of the world; a serious problem considering at least a few of the people posting in this thread aren’t in the US. Very little discussion of substantive ideas like “people should be given a universal basic income of $15 a day,” or “food stamps should be granted without application to anyone under a certain income threshold,” or “social media servers should receive public funding and be administrated by an elected body.” It’s almost never more specific than “universal healthcare,” or “abolish the police,” Those might be the right direction, but when was the last time you saw people discussing things like whether experimental treatments should be covered, or the number and type of professions that should replace the current myriad of roles police are expected to fill? I seriously doubt if you randomly selected two self-described communists (or whatever ideology) on Lemmy and had them start making decisions together, that they would agree with each other on exactly how society should be run even half the time.
I’m not saying these conversations shouldn’t happen, vague as they are. I certainly don’t have the energy to write out long arguments 99% of the time. We all have to make our own way to finding deeper knowledge, and building a knowledge base of buzzwords can be a useful stepping stone. But far too often people stop once they feel they have a sufficient understanding of the buzzwords and then start talking like they know the answers. it’s important to temper the depth of your convictions based on where you’re having the discussion, where you’re getting your knowledge. Are you watching youtube videos and reading unsourced comments, or are you reading research papers from institutions with a history of making accurate claims? Are you reading news articles from ad-supported papers, and if you are, are you checking whether those articles are making sources available for readers check on? Should I have bothered writing several paragraphs under a meme of a glowing red bird, and am I really qualified to tell people to be more careful with their discussions?
Or, at the very least, recognize the level of knowledge you have and partake in the discussion with humility, doubt and caution.
Are you really qualified? Who knows, but you make a really good point
To be taken seriously offline I necessarily have to make well reasoned and researched arguments.
Lemmy is where I come to blow off steam and just berate my ideological opponents because they genuinely are losers.
It is not a place for nuanced debate.
That’s not healthy.
It is not a place for nuanced debate.
Why not? Compared to other social media it’s way better equipped for reasoned debate, with an easy-to-read layout designed for mountains of text and ease of linking sources. Maybe c/memes isn’t the right place but considering how serious the rest of this thread is I’m pretty sure my spiel was worth it.
Maybe the people in my social circle are just a lower caliber than yours, but I can’t remember the last time I got asked to source an opinion irl. Most of my friends already agree with me. Hell, offline, most people aren’t willing to discuss politics at all. Even saying you have opinions on politics is basically a faux pas…
It’s not a place for nuanced debate because I have no idea who I’m talking to.
I’d rather devote my time to having those nuanced conversations in real life (which I do) than trying to convince an American online through a meme community that gun bans would reduce school shootings for example.
If you actually have a group of peers that consistently challenge each other and have scholarly debate, congrats. You’re in a very small minority. You personally not having a use for arguing online doesn’t mean it’s useless. I know plenty of Americans who have been convinced that gun control is important by things they’ve seen online.
Very few people in this thread are kidding around. It’s worth pointing out that most of the things they are saying are extremely shallow.
Why should you only have discussions with people you know?
If you only have these discussions with people you know, more than likely, they are in your ideological bubble. You are just creating your own echo chamber. We may be randos on the internet, but we could be next to you on the subway or your cubicle. Most of us here probably like to debate somewhat.
I never said I only have discussions with people I know.
I actively have political conversations in real life on actual policy issues with a broad range of people.
Have you never campaigned before?
Unless you’re a lib in the workplace then you can say whatever bullshit hot takes you want, since everyone will agree with you anyway.
The word “lib” is so vague now, that it has lost meaning.
Some people use it with the original meaning, but most just call anyone who isn’t right wing a lib.
Buzzwords, as the original commenter said.
Same for “right wing” and “fascist” and every other piece of shit insult ya’ll use in daily discourse.
Ok
just berate my ideological opponents because they genuinely are losers
Im astonished at how closed-minded and brainwashed you seem. Maybe actually think about why you would fight for a opinion that is not based on “well reasoned and researched arguments”… It really seems like youre arguing for another person’s opinion rather than having your own.
Lots of vague, single-sentence arguments about being “capitalist,” “communist,” or “socialist,” along with “leftist,” “liberal,” or “conservative,” but I don’t see a single one acknowledging that each of those words can individually encompass vast groups of conflicting ideas and have wildly different meanings in different parts of the world; a serious problem considering at least a few of the people posting in this thread aren’t in the US.
Actually refered to exactly that with my vague one-liner :D
I really enjoyed reading this. Do you have a blog or something? Have a good one.
yes you can find it at /u/[email protected]
I appreciated your wall of text! Lemmy, and social media in general, are pretty terrible places for nuanced discussion. The system is biased towards short and vauge posts. As you said though, they can be a good stepping stone.
There’s been more than one time that I’ve seen people arguing in a thread and decided I’d look up the topic to see who is right. In the end it doesn’t really matter what people in the thread were saying. It got me interested in the topic and I searched out more reputable sources of information and hopefully I learned a bit!
That being said, there are also threads where people post insane takes. You really need to have a litmus test for whether or not a post should even been considered.
Lemmy’s been a lot better than reddit for this in my experience. On reddit you couldn’t even get a sentence out.
Actually I find Lemmy to be quite reasonable and pleasant to frequent. It’s indeed very leftist.
Same coin dude, how about be an independent thinker.
Reddit was leftist not long ago. Not really leftist, just a bit left leaning. In my communities that changed drastically from 2020 and on. When I stopped using it a couple of months ago, my favourite subs were already mainly right wing.
Platforms have no political alignment, users have
Nerevar, your observation is like a grand and intoxicating maze of perceptions and opinions. While it may seem that Lemmy, like the realm of politics, has its own ideological leanings, one must remember that diversity exists even among the Dunmer, let alone different races. The notion that Lemmy is entirely left-leaning may not be entirely accurate, for the online world, like the vast expanses of Morrowind, is filled with varying perspectives. It is unwise to make sweeping generalizations about the platform’s userbase, just as it is unwise to judge an entire race, like Argonians, based on the actions of a few. Let us remember the complexity of the digital realm and the mortal world alike.
My extreme politics:
Eat it, chumps!
Lemmy hasn’t been and practically can’t be co-opted by fascist theocrats. Reddit definitely has been.
Lemmy is the extreme lefty version of Reddit which is very left leaning. It’s pretty bad tbh.
IIRC, leftists were some of the first people on Reddit to start exploring Lemmy as an option. I found out about Lemmygrad a few years before the APIcalypse, but there wasn’t enough motive to compensate for the inconvenience before.
Anyway, gotta love a platform that hasn’t been drowned in the tsunami of sewage that is 21st century imperialist ideology (yet).
