• DreamButt
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    142 years ago

    Feel like the title could just as easily have been “countries with the best train infrastructure”

    • Rikudou_Sage
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      72 years ago

      Nah, that would be inaccurate. The country with the densest train infrastructure in the world (Czechia) is missing altogether from the image. I call bullshit.

      • @[email protected]
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        If bohemia is similar to Poland in that regard than that might be beacuse rail freight transport is still fairly significant

  • Io Sapsai 🌱
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    As a train traveler in Bulgaria (absent from this statistic but present in the one posted in the comments), I can vouch for our low rates of train commute (still 3 times higher than Greece) The car culture is going strong with everyone using their own vehicle. A lot of places are barely reachable by bus and unreachable by train. It takes longer and there are delays. The security is questionable with creeps causing trouble fairly often, despite police always being present. It’s rather dirty, the trains are mostly Soviet era. We can’t talk about air conditioning, only open windows (which you prop open with an item that you’re not afraid to lose) and scorching radiators.

    Despite all that I love commuting by train. I can sit comfortably, stretch, walk around, use the (very poor) toilet if needed. I can cross stitch when creeps don’t try to talk to me, I try to sit around grannies that take interest at most. It’s cheap, you can go from the coast to Sofia in about 7 hours for 15 euros, half if you have a card. It’s easier to talk with the person I’m traveling with. The scenery of rural Bulgaria is absolutely beautiful, and best of all - No motion sickness!

    • @[email protected]
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      52 years ago

      I travel by train sometimes yet i’ve never seen a train remotely full here in my life. I’ve seen fuller trains going to the alpes than than those going to Amsterdam. This may be different during rush hours but outside of the rush hours trains are quite empty.

      • @[email protected]
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        62 years ago

        My experience is quite the opposite, but then again I’m always taking the train during rush hour

        • @[email protected]
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          32 years ago

          Seem’s fair. I just think the fact that the non rush hour traffic is so low is making the Netherlands be lower on the list. I wasn’t exaggerating when I said that I saw fuller trains going to literal mountains.

      • @[email protected]
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        82 years ago

        I’m literally sitting on a train from Utrecht to ams. The previous one was so full that security needs to tell people to stop pushing. This one is also so full there are 0 free spots and the middle of the carriage is full too. Maybe it is you who don’t travel by train that much over here, no?

        • @[email protected]
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          22 years ago

          It has been an absolute shit show this evening though. Just spent two hours at Amsterdam Centraal trying to get back to Utrecht. Got on about 8 different trains and they all ended up cancelled.

          • @[email protected]
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            Isn’t that a rail problem instead of a usage problem? I’ve heard of rail incidents happening all of the time, along with the occasional strike of course.

          • @[email protected]
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            22 years ago

            Oof, I feel you, came to see the champions league at a friend’s house, hope the trains have normalized by the end of the games

  • Rikudou_Sage
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    92 years ago

    That looks like bullshit. Or it’s at least missing some data. Czechia, by the very nature of being in the middle of Europe, we have the densest train network which in turn means our trains go even to the smallest of shitholes and it’s very common to take a train somewhere.

    • @[email protected]
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      112 years ago

      This does not seem to be true. According to Wikipedia the Czech Republic has 9567 km of railways. This leaves them with a density of 0.121299336891 Railway/km².

      Switzerland, which was listed as the densest in the Article, has 5317 km of railways. This leaves them with a density of 0.128787695288 Railway/km².

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_rail_transport_network_size

      Keep in mind, that the dates of the data collection are 3 years apart (Czechia 2017, Switzerland 2020).

  • @[email protected]
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    12 years ago

    Quite a lot of Italians use rail travel, at least that’s what it seemed to me when I was there for a few weeks. The trains and stations definitely felt a little dated, especially after I took a few Belgian trains, but they were better than anything available in the states.

    • nicetriangle
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      32 years ago

      Also the economy to some extent which would make sense because rail infrastructure is not cheap

  • JoJo
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    182 years ago

    The Netherlands is very much missing from this

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      My thoughts as well. There is a ton of train commuting within the Randstad for example. My girlfriend’s company has a surprising number of people who do a daily commute from Rotterdam to Amsterdam as well as places like Den Haag and Haarlem.

      If you look at the stats here, The Netherlands ranks 7th nationally for % of trips taken by rail and only Austria and Switzerland are ahead of it out of western European countries.

      It also ranks very highly for passenger kilometers which is saying a lot because the country is small as shit, most of the people are packed into an area about 1/3 the size of Belgium, and the overall population is fairly small when compared to places like Spain, France, Italy, and Germany.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_rail_usage

      • @[email protected]
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        12 years ago

        There is a strange drop-off where train travel gets significantly worse for longer distances though.

        Commuting within the Randstad, and to a certain degree the provinces of Flevoland, Gelderland and Noord-Brabant is pretty compelling because the network is well connected. Need to get anywhere else though and the benefits of train travel over commuting by car start to disappear quickly.

        This also ties into the fact that our public transit is by far the most expensive in the EU (and possibly even worldwide). Which makes traveling by train really only a viable option if you have the money to spare or your employer covers your travel expenses.

        A pretty standard daily commute can cost upwards of €20 per round trip, which comes down to nearly a fifth of a minimum wage budget after taxes. That doesn’t well with a housing crisis.

        • nicetriangle
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          Yeah I do agree the pricing sucks and it’s got its shortcomings.

          We almost always rent one of those Greenwheels cars to see my girlfriend’s folks who live in a smaller town because the alternative is an ordeal. Also we have repeatedly gotten stranded in Haarlem after a night of drinking because the train cuts off surprisingly early (something like 1:30am? I can’t remember). Fortunately our place is on the west side of Amsterdam so the Uber is fairly cheap, but it’s pretty annoying.

          The country could certainly stand to put more money into transit.

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    I fully understand not wanting to use a train in Greece.
    https://www.dw.com/en/greece-train-crash-government-admits-decades-of-failure/a-64864913

    A probe into the tragedy would focus on the “chronic delays in implementing railway works, delays caused by chronic public sector malaise and decades of failure,” government spokesman Yiannis Economou told reporters in Athens.

    That said, I feel all European countries, maybe except of Switzerland, have failed to proper care for their rail infrastructure and missed the chance to convince more people to travel with trains instead of cars. :(

    • @[email protected]
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      22 years ago

      At least not in urban areas in Austria

      I mean no country could afford to build a trainstation in every village

      • tal
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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Railway

        The Vatican Railway (Italian: Ferrovia Vaticana) was opened in 1934 to serve Vatican City and its only station, Vatican City (Città del Vaticano [tʃitˈta ddel vatiˈkaːno], or Stazione Vaticana [statˈtsjoːne vatiˈkaːna]). The main rail tracks are standard gauge and 300 metres (980 ft) long, with two freight sidings, making it the shortest national railway system in the world.[1] Access to the Italian rail network is over a viaduct to Roma San Pietro railway station, and is guaranteed by the Lateran Treaty dating from 1929. The tracks and station were constructed during the reign of Pope Pius XI, shortly after the treaty.

        Beginning in 2015, one passenger service runs each Saturday morning with passengers for Castel Gandolfo. Most other rail traffic consists of inbound freight goods, although the railway has occasionally carried other passengers, usually for symbolic or ceremonial reasons.[2][3]

    • iByteABit [he/him]
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      Correction: trains in Greece are no longer public sector. They are all owned by Ferrovie dello stato italiane, the failure of setting up failsafes and maintenance are because it wasn’t profitable enough to do so.

  • @[email protected]
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    112 years ago

    2021 has got to be a bad sample year with COVID lockdowns differing from country to country, right?