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Remember this is the same McQarthy who chose to kiss orange ass at every opportunity he got. He was given so many opportunities to do the right thing but deliberately chose to be an asshole and pack all the committees with Nazi caucus members. He did everything he could to push extreme right wing lunacy and kill bipartisanship.
Now the same Qevin turns around and makes a pikachu face why Dems didn’t save his sorry ass.
K-Mac was also the dude that said on the floor that Putin pays Trump and Dana Rohrabacher. Yet he continued to side with them, after Dead Eyes Paul Ryan told him to keep that info in the family.
Kevvy pooped in his bed and was surprised he woke up covered in shit.
K-Mac sounds a budget version of a Big Mac except somehow you have convinced yourself you a have a 50 % chance of getting dysentery and the other 50% is that it won’t give you dysentery. Yet every time, you have a K-Mac…you get dysentery.
Mmmmmmm…K-Mart burgers…
I like those odds, does it have a pickle?
It’s up to you, you can all the pickles or no pickles. Can’t guarantee how fresh those pickles are.
The democrats voted to oust this guy and trust me you reap what you sew. The next will be worse.
So keep someone horribly damaging and untrustworthy around because things could get worse? Sounds like a cowards/defeatist mindset, you should always strive for better and removing those who do damage.
Surely you must be joking. Matt Gaetz spent several days telling everybody that he was going to oust Kevin McCarthy. Then he did.
The Republican speaker of the House was removed from his position by the craziest contingent of the Republican party.
The self sabotage is nutty.
Go look at who voted to say yes. Look at how many democrats said yes. They could have said no.
Worse how?
The Speaker is ultimately a mouthpiece for the party. Speakers do not advance a personal agenda, they do what the “majority of the majority” wants them to do. The new Speaker will be no different in that regard.
However, a Speaker is also the point of contact for the opposing party. A Republican Speaker can disagree with Democrats about literally everything, but they shouldn’t lie to Democrats, renege on deals, etc. If nobody can trust you, then you are worthless as an intermediary. So McCarthy was among the worst possible people for the job.
As it stands the GOP seem unlikely to be able to elect a speaker. Speakers provide a list of people to become temporary speaker in case of emergency, so upon McCarthy’s ouster rep. Patrick McHenry became speaker pro tempore. Speakers pro tempore have only the authority to gavel sessions in and out, and to conduct votes for a new speaker.
Basically McHenry’s first act with the gavel was to order Pelosi out of her offices. What an asshole
Right?
I’m no fan of hers, but jeez McHenry… let’s see, what’s more important: try to get the House back on track, or engage in petty, vindictive partisan bullshit?
I’m glad the House passed that CR, though I’m not sure they’ll have a new speaker before it runs out.
Hows this going to impact fumding for Ukraine?
Badly. The vote to pass spending removed it, and now a separate vote to add it separately will be delayed.
Putin is getting exactly what he paid for, and he’s got to be absolutely thrilled.
If anything this is proof that all that spying the alphabet bois are doing isnt actualy to protect anyone. If it was everyone being bribed by putin would already have been charged with treason.
Call me old and cynical but I see the inevitable conclusion of this game that the conservatives have been playing being a civil war. This is what they are pysnigb for, this is what they want.
The reason they want this is because, well, they are extremist Christian terrorists and they’re plain evil. Dunno how else to say it. They don’t want gays to have any rights, they want gays converted or dead. They don’t want trans people to have rights and have a remote shred of happiness, they want them dead. They don’t give a shit about abortion, they want more babies in poor and breken families who are easy to manipulate into voting for them. Hell, they don’t want democracy, they want a theocracy.
They watched the handmaid’s tale and thought they were watching an awesome documentary. It contains all the elements that gets them hard; being able to force their religion upon others, being able to control others, rape others…
Imitgt be having a tinfoil hat on right now but I see these extremists come up with a document that wants to do away with democracy and have an all powerful
presidentdictator, that outlines a plan to prohibit porn and even simply books that talk about transgender issues and jail anyone who produces or possesses such evils…These are not nice people, at this point I think it’s safe enough to say that these are dangerous terrorists
I think the US is in much bigger trouble than most people see
You sound like Marjorie Taylor Greene lol. Things are nowhere as bad as you are projecting, we are all literally laughing at the Republican party (Republican party included).
If anything, this whole ordeal probably just saved us from going to civil war because it showed the country how dangerous this type of MAGA thinking in just 8 representatives can be.
I’ve seen many rather too prominent R party members talking casually about civil war. If that doesn’t at least make you frown then I think you might be a bit naive. Hitler too was a funny guy until he suddenly burst on the world stage. Trump too was laughed at a year before he was president
What really fucked up is the shit in handmaud book that was left out of the show
I never read the books. Is it that bad?
They banish black people to a radio active waste land to kill them off.
Could be me but I thought that was in the show too, no?
I only the first few episodes so they probably added it in latter
I’ve straight up had people say that in the wake of a birthrate crisis, Gilead would be completely justified.
I’m not an anti-natalist, but if the choice really was between Gilead and humanity dying out, I might reconsider.
Let humanity die out.
Imitgt be having a tinfoil hat on right now
No thank you. Literally every holocaust survivor was screaming deja vu with Trump, along with all their descendants who got the bed time stories.
For the voters you maybe right. For the leaders, follow the money… It’s as simple as wealth and power.
Keep us “plebs” fighting on stupid shit so we don’t eat the rich. Terrorism recruiting strategy 101. Get people addicted to hate so it can be channeled against the opposition.
At least those are my insights.
Do we actually have to eat the rich? Can we just use them as fertilizer instead?
I mean, I’ll take their cake and share it around to be eaten, lol. Could care less about their bodies.
I think the Democrats should have voted to keep him in
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Oh no.
Anyways…
Could have consequences for many people in the US. McCarthy at least wanted to keep things running even if he was extreme. The next guy may not.
He wanted to keep things running about as much as any other Republican. He was literally blaming Democrats when shutting down the government is pretty much a normalized annual thing from the Republicans at this point.
In the long run, that will cost the GOP and they will lose more power.
I hope so but that’s far from certain. Unless the chaos from this is particularly memorable AND it causes relatively little harm to the American people, I don’t think that’s likely.
We’re still over a year from the election. People will barely remember this and it probably will factor minimally in their decisions in 2024.
Time will tell I suppose, this is going to be a long year.
This will all be forgotten next month, what won’t be is Donny’s endless court cases. Anything the rest of the republicans do will be overshadowed by Trump’s legal antics. Their only hope is to detangle themselves from him, but that ain’t happening.
Well, it will only be forgotten if we get a swift resolution.
Next month, there needs to be another vote to avert another government shutdown, as the recent resolution was only a 1-month stay of execution. If the house is still busy arguing over who the Speaker should be until the 11th hour, there will be no way to avoid the shutdown.
Maybe. It remains to be seen how much impact those court cases will have. Polls right now show a dead heat which is concerning. But maybe voters are just not paying attention yet.
I don’t want to get overconfident because the numbers are still scary, but I am not sure how much I trust polls. Most of them are unsolicited phone calls that just ask you who you plan to vote for and some basic demographic details. Young people tend to not answer calls from unrecognized numbers.
They generally adjust for that kind of thing. It’s always possible the polls are off but it’s tough to predict which direction. They’re usually only a little off so right now it’s safe to conclude the race is close-ish. But a lot can change in a year. It’s hard for me to believe people won’t reject more Trump insanity when the time comes. But people do lots of things I find hard to believe.
Hate to say it but I doubt it. The people voting republican bought heavily into the idea that McCarthy was some kind of traitor and started calling him a RINO. They seem to live for this kind of chaos. They want things their way, and if they can’t have it the only alternative is burning it all down. Compromise is completely unacceptable to them hence McCarthy’s ouster.
Damn. I guess the gop speaker will never compromise with the dems ever again.
EDIT: I meant in the context of the bill that mccarthy passed on Saturday with the help of the dems. Any new speaker will be very wary of pissing off the gaetz crowd.
Refusing to cooperate with Democrats is what sank him.
He needed support from Democrats to keep the Speakership. He’s spent the entire year giving them no reason to trust him – including going on the Sunday shows this week knowing this vote was coming and trying to blame Democrats for the near shutdown.
Ah, ok that makes sense now. I hadn’t really kept up on dem/mccarthy relations. I was referring to the new leader being afraid to piss off the gaetz crowd by working with Dems even once.
This. If he had just stuck to the deal that was agreed to with Biden, he’d probably still be speaker.
But no, he had to try and play both sides.
Now the fascists are going to get their speaker in and there will very likely be a shutdown in 45 days
“I’m gonna play both sides, that way I’ll always end up on top”
Yeah, he was supposed to play both sides against each other. Instead, he got them both against himself 🤦♂️
McCarthy almost did the right thing by letting the funding bill come to the floor, but it also stripped Ukraine funding and was a can to kick things down the road giving us only 45 days till we’re in the same spot. He could have also offered consessions to the Dems for their vote, which he refused to do. Add to that what is a literal witchhunt of an Impechment inquiry, why do you think the Dems should have saved him?
I don’t think they should have saved him. I added some context to my comment, since everyone is thinking I meant something very different.
This is politics on Lemmy. What is this “context” you refer to? We don’t do that here.
The new speaker will only survive if the new speaker can get support from some of both parties. The lesson is clear.
I think that’s an impossible act in this day and age.
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wouldn’t
McCarthy knew that a government shutdown would have pissed off even more Republicans in Congress, including all of those in vulnerable districts.
For example, Boebert’s district. Notice how for once she didn’t vote alongside Gaetz? Behind closed doors, there were plenty of Congressional Republicans telling McCarthy that making make a deal with Democrats was preferable to a politically suicidal shutdown.
I saw that she didn’t vote with gaetz and I was puzzled, thanks for the info!
tell me you haven’t been paying attention to republican politics since 2016, without, you know, telling me
I added a bit of context to my comment, I definitely didn’t communicate my thinking well.
I meant that a new speaker will be scared of the gaetz crowd. They’ll be even less cooperative than the gop have been.
I don’t know about other people but I am hooked into this story and I don’t totally understand why. Been much better about avoiding US politics but this and the indictments are occupying me.
Can’t say that it’s good for my wellbeing. tbd.
I don’t know about other people but I am hooked into this story and I don’t totally understand why.
Well looking in from outside it just is really funny to see the Republicans fight against them self. But that’s much easier when I don’t have to suffer from their incompetence.
That’s just the coming election finding new ways of appealing to you.
Are those actual conservatives or ones which would be called extreme right-wingers or fascists in non-american politics?
They’re both the same picture
Elect a clown, expect a circus
Could we please stop calling these agents of destruction “conservative”? They don’t want to conserve anything. “Destructives” would be better.
America’s two parties are Regressives vs Conservatives.
amen
*Russian agents
*paid russian assets
Reactionaries.
Tis the word to use.
I get that Dems are enjoying seeing the Republicans seem to fail, but I get the feeling this is going to turn out horribly. We’re going to see Speaker Jim Jordan or Matt Gaetz and the country will suffer for it.
Highly unlikely. Freedom caucus will not get the speakership. GOP hates them more than McCarthy. Gaetz didn’t think this through. The only option is more of the same or somebody more friendly to the Democrats.
I mean they just showed they have the power to remove the speaker, the power goes through them
They wouldn’t have had the power without Dem votes, ironically.
Well, we have Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise as the choices. Both worse than McCarthy.
They gotta get the votes. Idk if u saw how Kevin struggled but he used everything he had politically to get that gavel in the first place… and even some he didn’t have. When he caved then that was when the idiots like gaetz knew he had kev by the balls…which is why we are here now.
The freedom caucus can block any nominee they want, and Republicans have made it clear they won’t accept someone that wants to work with Dems. It took 15 votes to get McCarthy as it was. I am not hopeful.
The freedom caucus can only block nominees if no compromise is made with dems. The gop can give concessions and have a speaker tomarrow if they like.
If they dont, then the house will have no speaker, and the GOP will get no bills passed of any type. The budget will be CRs until the election because none of the middle of the road GOP wants the shutdown fallout.
Then, hopefully all these clowns get walloped.
No bills can be brought without a speaker, so no CRs until a speaker is elected. The temp running the show has 3 powers: He can call a recess, adjourn, and call a vote for the speaker. That’s it. No other legislation passes unless they can get off their asses and put in a speaker.
Which would also imply they can’t bring an impeachment vote in front of the House.
I’ve been saying for a while now that the best way to fight fascism (before it gets to its terrible end state) is to push them to fight each other in purity contests. This is a good example.
Can’t the pro tempore bring bills before the house?
He can only run the voting for a new speaker
Can the govt shutdown proceed without a speaker?
Yes. A government shutdown is what happens when Congress fails to pass a law that allows the federal government the necessary funds to operate. If the House is unable to pass such a law, the federal government will shut down.
Oh yeah. 40 some days left.
Conservatives can’t govern.
If we oversimplify what happened, it’s hilarious that they are mad at him for voting with Dems, so they got rid of him by voting with Dems.
Only cuz abstain is same as a no vote tho, really.
And one of the more likely scenarios is the non-freedom caucus GOP cuts a deal with Democrats to neuter freedom caucus’ power.
Which is what McCarthy should have done a while ago. “I won’t do this stupid impeachment inquiry as long as you back me when they try to oust me”
You’re assuming Kevin is smart.
I think he’s just terrified of Trumps base.
He is(edit: terrified, not smart). For sure. But the way you strip their power is by ripping the band-aid off and stop kowtowing to their non sense. That’s what actual leadership is. Saying “we need to do it this way because it’s the right thing to do” even if it’s hard or unpopular.
The Republican moderates, if any actually still exist, could take back control of their party if they really had the balls to. It would require them to call a spade a spade, and then start working with Democrats.
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Plus most ofvmy family would blame this all the dems for not reaching accross the asile, and being the party of devision.
“Yeah! Why aren’t dems meeting halfway between Donald Trump and Kevin McCarthy???”
I can’t shake the bad feeling that the timing is going to be a real problem once shutdown time rolls around here in less than 40-ish days. What if we don’t even have a fucking speaker at all by then??
There is the possibility that Dems coordinate a vote with the not-Freedom Caucus GOP to elect the least disagreeable candidate, though…
If that was a possibility, I would think they would have done so in one of the 14 ballots before Republicans settled on McCarthy.
Look what they did to Liz Chaney. They would expel a Republican that did that from the party, and then they would Primary them out of office.
The next speaker will be incentivized to neuter the freedom clowns after what happened to McCarthy.
So I think there is a better chance they try to strike a deal with the Dems. Honestly it’s just mins blowing to me that the Republicans see this absolute fiasco as a better outcome than getting 10-15 Dems on board. It wouldnt take much work.
Any Republican that works with Dems any more than McCarthy is likely to be primaried. They have brainwashed their base to think Dems = Evil, and working with them is worse than a deal with the Devil.
Republicans are stuck in this weird place where they do not have enough votes for a majority without the freedom caucus, but the base will replace them if they work with Dems. As such, they placate the freedom caucus.
They can’t do it like wounded gazelles. They have to act together or in larger numbers. Don’t get picked off one by one.
I know they are cowards, but jeez, I guess they can’t trust each other enough to do it together.
I’m not a betting man, but if i was, this will be the outcome.
Now they’re a complete set of failures!
The Speaker position was but a mere stepping stone to their true calling of being wealthy k street lobbyists.
What happened to Eric Cantor?
Lost his primary in 2014 then resigned before finishing the term.
9 years ago… also Boehner. Didnt think politics could get crazier. How young and naive I was.
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What happened to Paul Ryan?
Saw the first two years of Trump and bowed out before it went full insanity. He may be playing it smart and letting the whole Trump thing go away before running for president. We’ll see.
I’m not forgiving Paul Ryan for torpedoing the Hearing Protection Act at the one time in recent decades it had a chance to pass.
What would that bill do?
Is that the ridiculous bill to legalize silencers? It will never pass. Has zero chance. Hey want to save your ears, here’s an idea, stop setting off explosions near your head as a hobby. The report is a feature not a bug.
Paul Ryan is absolutely going to try to step back into politics once Trump is gone, and act like he’s a return to sanity.
He isn’t.
