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I definitely see a lot of toxic comments on here but I think that’s mainly from reddit outcasts trying their hardest to be sassy. Sassy unhelpful comments on Reddit won the most karma so it can be helpful to remind them that that doesn’t actually work here
I have noticed that the rate of my own sassy short comments has reduced quite a bit here, when compared to the past. I feel that the reduced volume of content, more detailed comments by others, and more of a sense of investment by commenters has encouraged me to up my game. To decide that if I am to comment, it is worth giving the comment more consideration and depth.
Will this continue? I hope so.
As a 10+ year reddit user who has switched 98% to Lemmy, only checking reddit on my computer every couple days: Lemmy is completely fine, and I have seamlessly transitioned from Reddit.
Its userbase is more technical than Reddit’s, and there’s not as much content. But it is a perfectly good Reddit alternative. I find it isn’t as addictive as reddit, which is awesome. I just wish there were more educational communities akin to AskHistorians, AskScience, etc.
mmmm askhistorians was one of my favourite late night prowls.
Its* userbase.
That is an incomplete sentence.
“sentence fragment”
“‘sentence fragment’ is also a sentence fragment.”
“must conserve battery power”
closes eyes
It’s not a sentence. Checkmate!
(I upvoted you.)
Big oof. Corrected, to my great and utter shame. I am debased before you, o grammar sage!
Lol glad to help!
It’s very akin to reddit ~10 years ago. Grammar nazis, “um actually” and pedantic debates are everywhere. You just have to not engage and consistently remember the other guy is probably a sweaty nerd who cares way more than you do.
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The worst part is the pedants aren’t even right most of the time. I’ve seen so many people complaining about perfectly acceptable sentence structure.
I tell myself they’re just younger folks that have been failed by their schools, but then I get sad that they’re younger folks that have been failed by their schools.
Actually, it’s not always young kids, we all suck at grammar and that’s okay. If clear communication took place, who cares?
The problem is that they’re not recognizing clear communication and yet assume anything that confuses them is a mistake made by another.
Let’s be honest - we’re all sweaty nerds here
I actually have a sweating disorder where I sweat all day. I’m also a software engineer.
I finally feel like I belong.
I’m a 15-year user of Reddit. Lemmy right now is very similar to very early Reddit. Reddit’s users were more technical back then, too. I’m betting the early adopters of places like this are usually the technical types.
Another nice thing about Lemmy is that a lot of the low-effort, casual users on Reddit haven’t gotten here yet. Interaction here is definitely a lot more pleasant.
Also 15 year account and 100% agreed.
Ditto. No issues with Lemmy here. I mean, there were a couple of annoying communities (to me anyway) but it was easy to block them.
Generally I’ve not noticed any toxic behaviour otherwise. At all.
In fact I was somewhat taken aback at the quality of responses to my last post. It’s going to take me days to research all the options and advice I was given. And from what I could see, most if not all the comments were informative and interesting.
The signal to noise ratio here is excellent, even if the numbers of comments etc are lower.
The only toxic I got was when I accidental posted in a conservative thread without realizing what it was. Basically like /r/conservative. Fortunately I was able to block the instance and move on.
I bet that dude said something racist and got dogpiled. I only see toxic comments on lemmy when I say something racist.
That’s a fair point. While racism thrives in small communities where any rare truth gets downvoted, Lemmy’s federation has made it almost impossible for racist communities to reach critical mass here.
As someone who browses /new, I’ve seen numerous times someone trashing Lemmy, and then 20 posts down I find they posted something incredibly stupid.
If someone corrects what you wrote into an English sentence, and you have a problem with people looking out for you, then you’re a dick.
It sounds like the real complaint is that it’s different.
Because yeah it’s certainly not more toxic. That’s laughable. My interactions here have been overwhelmingly better than on reddit.
And the other complaints boil down to “it’s small and new, yuck”… Yeah that’s a good thing usually. There have been terrible attacks with CSAM but people are handling it and luckily I’ve never seen a single image like that. On reddit it was not uncommon to see mutilated humans without wanting to even though there was far more time and resources available to prevent that
I think that, perhaps, the user is trying to use Lemmy as Reddit, rather than using some of the fantastic quality of life improvements that evaporated with the API nonsense.
For example, blocking users and communities (and soon instances). Some users and communities, even if I enjoy them or the instances that they are on, sometimes are just too toxic for me. And that isn’t to say that the comms and users necessarily are (sometimes they are) but, that sometimes engaging with some comms and users either causes undue stress or temptation to get involved in an Internet fight. That’s not behavior that is good for us, even if it sometimes feels good in the moment.
I’m hoping (and have suggested) that a “timeout” feature gets added to allow one to readily self-regulate and disengage when they find that interactions are approaching the sorts that are algorithmically encouraged on commercial social media platforms. The outrage machine is just terrible and I’ve found myself much happier and in a better headspace since leaving such platforms. Added bonus is that transphobia actually gets taken seriously on most instances and, while it doesn’t technically impact my as a cis guy, I’m much happier knowing that people are able to feel safer to be themselves (or come to terms with themselves).
As for the complaint about people being more likely pedantic or correct people on technical details, I love that - finding out that I’m wrong about something is fantastic because that means that I learned something. When there’s topics, like tech, where there are often correct and incorrect answers and they change or get added to regularly, one really needs to leave the ego at the door. We’re all humans (and bots and human facsimiles), which means we’ll be wrong from time to time. It’s a fact of life, effectively in environments where there are a lot of knowledge-workers and the medium of communication is directly related to the topics.
Personally, I’d like to see more comms regarding to digital circuit design and open-source silicon.
I also think the website is exceptionally good, and has a unique distinction of being equally good on desktop and mobile. Feel that the website is so good on mobile that I don’t need to use a mobile app, and I sure as heck can’t say that about Reddit.
Oh god yes.
I refuse to install any app from the websites I use.
Reddit has been trying all kinds of tricks into getting me to install their app, just like most other websites.
I literally had to switch to desktop view every time, because it just wouldn’t allow me to use their mobile view, like wtf?
Lemmy is a breath of fresh air in that regard.
User blocking doesn’t work at all.
How so?
The person you blocked can still see, and reply to, everything you say. It only denies you the opportunity to respond, allowing them to discredit you and turn others against you without your knowledge. It also doesn’t stop them downvoting you at all, leaving them free to retaliate via vote bombing.
They should be the ones unable to see any comments you make. They should be unable to reply or respond to you. They should be unable to vote on any of your comments or even posts at all.
But it’s the opposite, and therefore completely broken.
Unfortunately, if they were to do this I’d imagine they’d be able to know you blocked them - as your instance would need to tell the other instance (and if they were a single user instance they could grab that record from the database) to hide your comments/posts. Which could cause even more problems as there are definitely people who’d go scorched earth over it. Even if they didn’t go on a rampage about it, they’d still be able to just then logout and see what you’re saying because of that.
From what I recall in the ActivityPub spec, transmitting blocks is already there, but I imagine no one implements it for that reason.
I’d take that over the situation now. At least if they had to resort to bannable offenses to retaliate, they’d actually get banned.
All blocking does now is give them free reign to harass you, which completely defeats the point.
Like if we have to be afraid of vengeful users who want to win something, why have blocking at all then? We might as well just bend over and hope they use lube.
… an optional feature where it only lets you browse for X minutes a day would be awesome
There are quite a few fair points in there, it’s not as if this is some dumb nonsense.
Another impression I have is that on Reddit, idiots are mainly in large communities. But on Lemmy there is far less content, so they also troll through the all feed, which has all kinds of small communities where those people then have an outsized effect. I think that is part of the reason why the general level of discussion on Lemmy feels closer to big reddit communities than to small ones.
Additionally, if they got to experience the fascists from hexbear (not quite sure what lemmy.world does, www.hexbear.net is federated, hexbear.net is blocked…), that also doesn’t exactly make for intelligent discussions.
And finally, smaller reddit subs have far saner voting. Here on Lemmy there’s a lot more “I don’t understand this, so I’m downvoting because replying would require using my brain”.
Lemmy has a lot of issues and the only reason I persevere, is because I’m a glutton for punishment and simply hate Spez even more.
Lemmy has a lot of issues and the only reason I persevere, is because I’m a glutton for punishment and simply hate Spez even more.
Lol well said and I totally agree. But I would be lying if I didn’t mention that at least some of my reason for being here is to have a chance at being a part of something that has a positive impact on the world. Wanting to spite reddit is definitely a part of it, but there is also a large part of my motivation that comes from my fantasies about what Lemmy could one day become, which don’t really have anything to do with reddit.
And finally, smaller reddit subs have far saner voting. Here on Lemmy there’s a lot more “I don’t understand this, so I’m downvoting because replying would require using my brain”.
Hadn’t really picked up on this consciously but now that you mention it, it’s absolutely true in my experience.
We are definitely still struggling with a relatively sizeable portion of toxic, disagreeable users that came here during the reddit exodus. But we have a critical mass of decent people that are currently battling through that obstacle, and as soon as we get another wave of growth, that problem should become much less prevalent, simply due to dilution.
But I would be lying if I didn’t mention that at least part of my reason for being here is to have a chance at being a part of something that has a positive impact on the world. Wanting to spite reddit is definitely a part of it, but there is also a large part of my motivation that comes from my fantasies about what Lemmy could one day become, which don’t really have anything to do with reddit.
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Very well said and some much-needed positivity after my dark POV :D You are, of course, right. It’s not all bad and horrible, and there are a lot of things I enjoy here as well, and there are good discussions.
Wanting to spite reddit is definitely a part of it, but there is also a large part of my motivation that comes from my fantasies about what Lemmy could one day become, which don’t really have anything to do with reddit.
I’m a voluntarist and put up with constantly getting shit on because I think federated networks are the proper way to organize communities in real life as well.
It’s way less bullshit than reddit was, and I’d rather be shit on by principled leftists anyway.
Haha you’re preaching to the choir, the idea of federation has taken over my thinking a little bit. It’s like those people who want to put everything on the blockchain, except I want to federate every hierarchical structure that exists 😅
I never even moderated anything before Lemmy, but it really hasn’t been that bad. It helps so much to have other good users/mods to lean on, and to have faith that the platform is steadily getting better with time.
It’s way less bullshit than reddit was, and I’d rather be shit on by principled leftists anyway.
I won’t lie, I did get a bit down after the hexbear federation saga, but I feel like I’m starting to get my mojo back. When I see other users and developers building things like fediseer, it renews my motivation and refreshes my attitude. Infectious positivity, what a concept!
When in fact upvoting should be the default for everything you see unless you don’t think it belongs at all
This is one of the reasons I like what Beehaw does. Your options are upvote, no vote, and report. Anything worthy of a downvote is worthy of a report.
All browsing is what really sucks for some niche communities. Until we have the ability to exclude our communities from all, these niche communities don’t have a chance to survive.
The devs said that they’re working on a new sorting method that pushes small communities up in the feed. I’m excited to see how it will work.
That’ll be great for most communities. That’s the exact opposite of what I want for a few specific ones though
OTOH, discoverability sucks and requires using external tools, so I’m not sure exclusion really helps.
While I’m at it, in case any folk metal fans read this: Please join [email protected], I’m feeling very lonely 99% posting by myself ;)
Throwing it in my All feed at least so other people in my instance will see it eventually next posts =)
There’s a surprising amount of subscribed users even. They are all just very quiet :/
I am already subscribed!
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Someone told lil’ whiney here something he didn’t like. Lemmy has been great in my eyes. Since getting here in the exodus of reddit 3:16 “And whoa, fuck uspez, this place sucks” it has been pretty great. Kinda like 12 years ago reddit.
But this is social media. There will be trolls. There will be people smarter than you. And likely dude got buthurt and went back to the communities where his thoughts are welcome at large, even if they are wrong or misleading or whatever. Safe space so-to-speak.
If he thinks this is toxic, holy shit is IRL ever gonna eat him alive. Even the redditards who simp it up for maga and r/conservative won’t save him then.
Lol. I don’t have an account anymore, but I was able to lookup the post on Google and found it. Dude seems to be getting ripped apart a bit. It’s pretty funny.
Lotta people coming here from Reddit expecting 1:1 replacement, and then get pissy that the 2 man dev team that’s just trying to keep up with this sudden burst in activity isn’t at parity with the multi-million dollar company that’s been developing their site for almost 2 decades.
Honestly, I’m just tired of the constant comparison. Lemmy can be it’s own thing. It’s a work in progress and it has a lot of promise, but for anyone looking for their reddit experience, there’s really only one place to get that.
I don’t want Lemmy to be as big as reddit. When it does it’s guaranteed to be enshittified.
It’s an open source project. It has no investors driving it toward user hostile profit seeking which is the primary force behind enshittification. A large user base doesn’t cause it, merely triggers it where the cause is already present.
I’m aware, that doesn’t mean it’s impossible though.
Enshitified is the wrong word imo. Reddit went downhill long before the API changes. Most popular subreddits were filled with karma farming bots spamming the same shit over and over.
By the end I only used reddit for news and niche hobbies.
“Enshittification” is the wrong word for everything. It is both often used incorrectly for what it means, and doesn’t even represent what it means well. People just like it because it has the word shit in it. It’s a bad term and I can’t wait for it to fall into obscurity.
Then tell us how it would happen. You seem to know for sure it’s not impossible.
Instance admins are already compromised sometimes. They can be bribed or get greedy.
Then why aren’t you setting up your own instance? You do have the option.
Because I don’t have to for them to be terrible or to prove what I said is right.
What you said is right, so what? Is your only course of action going to be to loudly moan about it, on an instance whose admins can also be bribed or get greedy as you say?
I don’t have to take action on a fact to have the right to state it.
You might not like the fact that Lemmy admins are just as susceptible to corruption as everyone else, but no one is going to stop saying it simply because you don’t want to hear it. And you can’t bully us into being quiet about it, either.
Also, fuck that guys tone. Condescending prick calling other people pedantic.
Fuck it. I’ll take my media raw. I’m not gonna block something just because it offends me and if shit posters start taking over the place well thats just society baby! I prefer it that way to giving some central entity the power to ‘clean’ up everything how they see fit. Not gonna lock myself into an echo chamber if I can help it.
To all the admins, thanks and take your time fixing things and if instances go offline for a while, thanks for giving me a social media break!
Say we’re going to leave Reddit if the API changes go through
Actually leave Reddit
Refuse to elaborate
Get called toxic by the people who chose to stay
Yup, I haven’t even bothered deleting my account. I’ll get to it eventually, but I just don’t go to Reddit anymore. I’ve been hereb since the API announcement (didn’t wait for it to take effect), and I’ve been reasonably happy here.
I will say that lemmy seems a bit more leftist than Reddit, at least in the communities I visit. On Reddit, you’ll get Bernie bros and whatnot, whereas on lemmy there’s a lot of literal socialists/communists. But at least there are fewer far right folks baiting people into one sided debates. I find the socialists and communists easier to detect, so I think lemmy so far wins.
Lemmy isn’t perfect, but it at least doesn’t have ads and I can use why client I want, or build my own. So I’ll stay until I find or build something better (I’m working on an experimental, distributed link aggregator).
if you’re deleting your Reddit account, you should make your past content all garbage by using Powerdeletesuite
A ton of the info on Reddit is still relevant.
Imagine if all the people who solved niche problems did this. All the information and knowledge they dispersed was deleted because of a grudge against a platform.
That would suck so badly.
So no, I don’t think I will.
I’m a bit of a Bernie bro but some of the communities on here aren’t just left but like extreme left which is… different for sure. They’re at least more tolerable than the “We support free speech but not leftist speech” Republicans and the communities that are too much I can just block and never interact with. While I’m sure I’d still enjoy Reddit if I logged on or went back to the subs I used to be on, I refuse out of principle. I even feel gross when I need to visit subs to get niche tech answers. I won’t ever trust Reddit again and we’ve got some solid meme communities here. It does enough for what it is, I only hope we grow as Reddit continues to burn.
Yup, agreed on most counts.
I consider myself a left leaning libertarian, and I generally feel more welcomed here than on Reddit. I still get lots of down votes for mentioning libertarianism (apparently that’s associated with facism somehow? Not my fault right wing nutjobs tried to steal the term), but I at least get decent discussion about actual policies, especially when I’m left of both major parties. That was a bit more rare on Reddit.
But even if lemmy was actually way worse than Reddit, I’m not going back, that bridge has been burned. If I ever needed to leave lemmy, I would pour more time into my decentralized link aggregator project.
Same, I haven’t logged in since Apollo shut down. I occasionally check my small country’s sub through browser, as it’s not active enough on lemmy, but that’s it. I’m super happy with lemmy.
Honestly glad I left. For now at least when I see that new message number I’m not terrified of what I’ll find inside
Seems like this person’s main problem is that they went to lemmy.world, which does basically seem like a collection of all the worst redditors.
I’d say a lot of users, perhaps even most, on lemmy.world are just fine, but I’ve seen some wildly bad behavior from their mods (e.g., one of their politics mod making a mod-flaired comment about how “The United States is not a racist nation,” like what)
Deploying Cloudflare as a “temporary” measure, only to never remove it, makes me pissed. Cloudflare was originally Project Honeypot that aligns with NSA’s job.
TBH for a liberal Western-facing website there is no better alternative.
one of their politics mod making a mod-flaired comment about how “The United States is not a racist nation,”
ngl incredibly glad we’re not federated with those guys
(e.g., one of their politics mod making a mod-flaired comment about how “The United States is not a racist nation,”
Lmao what? The heart of the global empire is somehow not racist now, despite all the evidence to the contrary? After all the police killings of unarmed black men, how can anyone believe that?
Probably the same type of person who’d complain about reddit being too “left leaning.” We’re not talking about people with a reasonable or healthy array of takes.
I actually don’t experience these any of the issues. If you don’t like tankie stuff then just block lemmygrad and hexbear.
Tbh, I’m very left so I like lemmygrad anti-capitalist anti-US memes.
He is not wrong. I have had to block and get rid of other instances on Lemmy, because they are filled with toxic motherfuckers, and elitist Linux users
