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Obligatory, “if a company is trying to convince you you don’t need a union, you need a union”.
Unions are like condoms, in that regard.
I thought this was against the law?
Amazon denied that they were doing it as a company (of course they did).
Luckily, the union won this election and it was certified in january of this year
Passive posters like this aren’t. Actively intimidating potential members is. And interfering with a vote is super illegal.
But posters aren’t.
The first repost bot to make my All feed.
What is the job of this bot? reposting reddit here?
They have only one argument, and it’s pathetic and not even true. Dues without guarantee. lol
It doesn’t matter what their argument is, Amazon workers are probably smart enough to realize any anti-union advertising is because unions are good for workers and bad for Amazon.
I can’t believe imagine there’s a single Amazon worker who thinks Amazon has their best interest at heart or would spend money to save their employees money.
Believe it. I’m sure a factor in where Amazon locates its facilities is union presence and support, along with cost of living and education level. That is to say, lower income areas with an undereducated population and strong anti-labor politics. Obviously not possible in every region but a lot of the US is like a whole other world when you travel just outside the city.
At my FC, I would say 50% at best would even consider the question. MAGA/Trump support runs deep there. Nobody likes the company, yet they will happily take its side over their coworkers…
I guess those managers who fight the workers do believe that Amazon has their best interest at heart.
These posters make me want to organize.
Same. They also want to make me commit acts of civil disobedience such as tearing all of them down.
I suspect that’s why it’s hanging right above the fingerprint/face scanner punchcard kiosk.
It tells me that they think paying for graphics, ads etc are just a fraction of what I can gain.
How is this legal?
That’s the best part! It’s not!
But since nobody actually enforces the laws that make this illegal, everybody fucking does it. I can’t think of a single job I’ve ever worked that didn’t have anti-union posters except for the one job I’ve had that was unionized.
Wait how is passive illegal? I thought the intimidation had to be active
It depends on the state. For a majority of states like California and Minnesota? Illegal. Texas? They can force you to go to anti-union meetings and more and it’s legal.
I work for a massive massive corp and we watch anti union videos (it’s required) I think once a year in our online courses.
Almost everywhere I’ve ever worked has forced me to sit through anti union videos, but the place I’m currently at had by far the longest, most forceful and blatantly filled with fabrication video by far. It’s not at all surprising to say that it’s BY FAR the worst job I’ve ever had in my life. Don’t work for Big Lots if you can find ANYTHING else guys, it’s not worth the pain.
Sorry you had to go through that. I’m pretty sure Walmart is just as bad, with Target and any similar store trailing close behind.
Went through the same thing with Ross. Absolute shit show of a company and they treat their workers like trash. Of course we had to sit through a blatant anti union video the first day.
People shoukd go into a video screening like that and all collectively (get it?) bring eggs and toss them when that anti union video starts
Does it depend on the union? Are some corrupt or useless? My only experience with a union was when working for a grocery store in 2005. They took a quarter of my minimum wage pay as dues. I got no benefits or salary increase, no health insurance. As far as I could tell they never did anything but collect money from workers.
I tried to get off it so I could start making minimum wage again but they said it was impossible to get removed from as long as I worked for the company.
Sounds like a union bought off by the corporation. Most unions are very beneficial to workers.
That sounds less than believable.
I call bullshit. Care to name the company and the union?
Which grocery store and which union
Seriously, I’ve never heard of a union whose dues are 25%.
Kroger, and I don’t remember union name since it was about 20 years ago. I was only making about $5 per hour and they were taking a dollar something if I remember right.
It was definitely a substantial amount of our paychecks and we ended up quitting over it. Wasn’t a good job anyway though, and this was just my perspective at the time as a teenager.
If you belonged to a union that brought you below minimum wage with dues, then something very wrong was going on. (disclaimer, I am not a lawyer, I just care about my rights A LOT) The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) defines the minimum wage and specifically prevents employers from deducting the costs of doing business from employee wages. Things like equipment, uniforms, cash drawer shortages, broken merchandise, etc. The FLAS does permit deductions for things like unemployment insurance, health savings accounts, etc., and does include union dues as exempt and able to be deducted as a general statement. That said, the two are not intrinsically linked. The FLSA generally states that minimum wage is the MINIMUM. I was not able to find an exhaustive list of exemptions, but what I did find was slim to say the least. I’m pretty sure that them reducing your wage below minimum with union dues, which were supposed to be voluntary as well, was illegal. I am more than open to being corrected though and I would love to have a referral to the FLSA section that codifies it.
Would it have been illegal 20 years ago? It would have been just for the dues. I never had any interaction with them besides the union rep showing up at work with his sales pitch.
To be fair I was an oblivious teenager, so it could have been that they did attempt to help, behind the scenes and not on an individual level. Maybe the company just told them no. The man who represented the union had made it sound like joining would give me a higher pay and benefits. I only waited a couple months before quitting.
It left me with a bad first impression, but thinking back I had unrealistic expectations and didn’t really understand what I was paying for.
I’m thinking unions are generally a good idea, but to do some research to make sure the particular one is effective and using the money wisely. Also that unfortunately the people who need union help the most are probably the least likely to be able to afford the dues. Is there anything to prevent them from becoming a middle man that takes as much in dues as they negotiate in pay increases?
Yeah but bathroom breaks and not being fired simply because you forgot to smile at the manager
Yes, union life is for you. JOIN A UNION!
Straight lies. How can you tell someone that unions cannot guarantee anything?
It’s the company who has to sign off on the CBA, too.
A union can ASK for things, but it’s always the company guaranteeing it.
Unions literally cannot guarantee you money, dude. Other than what’s in their coffers, and what is “drawn up” in advance, collected for, and spelled out in a written agreement.
Especially fragile new unions, they don’t have jack shit going for them. The company isn’t going to help it form, and they might choose to fire dissenters attempting to unionize. During a strike or demonstrations, even with a formed union, the company isn’t going to pay the workers for not working. In this way, the company is correct in saying “there are no guarantees of pay”. Hell if they don’t like you there’s no guarantee of a job at all, if there’s no established union.
It’s all talk, speculation until a formed union draws up a legal, enforceable contract that both company & union agree to. CBA, as it’s called (Collective Bargaining Agreement).
Sure a union technically can not guarantee anything. But I’ll guarantee you’ll be in a million times stronger position with a union.
“You can’t guarantee that your new collective bargaining agreement will be honored by us.”
They’re also spreading this nonsense at my hospital where we’re actively organizing right now. It preys on people’s ignorance of how legal contracts work.
Your lease doesn’t guarantee that your landlord won’t violate its terms either. But it does give you the ammunition to take them to court and win compensation, if they do.
The same applies to a union contact. It’s legally binding in the same way. Sure the company technically can violate the terms of that agreement. But the union is going to escalate the issue to the NLRB and/or sue them in court, if they do. And you will win, if you provide the evidence that they violated the legally binding contract.
This is what disingenuous corporations call “not guaranteed”
I think what they’re trying to say is that being in a union, by itself doesn’t guarantee higher wages or better benefits. Which is true, but incredibly misleading since you sure as hell aren’t getting those wage/benefit increases without union membership.
The fact they are putting these up should let you know it’s something you want to join
Don’t trust unions - they can’t guarantee you benefits. Trust us, we guarantee the most exploitative conditions as long as you don’t organise!
That sarcasm is incredably subtle. Those on reddit tricked/paid to promote that sentiment would include your first sentence almost verbatim.
Don’t trust unions - they can’t guarantee you benefits.
Divided you beg. United you bargain.
Absolutely true, godspeed my friend
Assuming thats a response to me since this app sucks and its hard to tell, its true. Pension funds go to shit and get “borrowed” out of all the time. I like the benefits I get, but I’m not brainwashed either. Its not all positives.
Oops, you replied to the wrong post. Whatever client your on, you can switch to a diffrent one easly. Hopefully it makes your life a little easier.
Exactly, and it sucks for that exact reason!
What?
Fucking autocorrect…
My union got me more money in a single year than I will pay in dues for my entire career in at least 3 separate years in the 6 years I’ve been working for my employer.
I get leave each year that is slightly more than 20 percent of my work hours.
Unions are amazing for workers.
It’s amazing how anti union the US is. Unionise everything unless you want to be bent over and fucked by the long dick of capitalism.
My family is from West Virginia. They literally had battles for unions. Unions saved the state for a little while. Everyone I know there is also very anti-union. I don’t know how. This is why history is important, but they won’t teach you these parts of history in school.
The amount of effort your company goes into dissuading you from starting a Union, is proportional to how much you need one.
They’d look better on fire.
This is always so funny to me. They have money to get these posters designed, have copy written up for them, get them printed, it looks like they paid for a whole website by the looks of the QR code.
That money could’ve been put in the workers pockets. Seeing these anti-union tactics is even more of a reason to unionize.
