Israeli air raids have hit the Gaza Strip after Hamas announced the start of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood against Israel.
The group running the besieged enclave says it has fired thousands of rockets towards Israel. Several casualties have been reported.
It’s almost like people don’t like it when a bunch of outsiders move into their land & kick them off.
Feel free to report antisemitic comments, but antizionism isn’t antisemitism and acting like it is is antisemitic and will net you a ban starting once this comment is posted.
Reporting borderline stuff will not get you banned but as someone who had family at auschwitz I’m tired of blatant antisemitism in defense of a settler colonialist apartheid regime.
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Clap LOUDER for those at the back! This is exactly what my Palestinian friend helped elaborate to me, the single biggest confusion sowed by western Zionist supporting rags into masses.
Mmm, there’s nuance there. It can be exploited to push antisemitism, but it isn’t inherently antisemitic.
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Can be, but the nuance is not particularly that strong in real world. Rabbis have often displayed protest and anger on streets against Zionists.
The ones who will usually exploit this are white rightwingers that hate Israel because with that they can hate Jews (being the Nazis they are), but currently they oppose only Israel and not Palestine. The nuance is tiny and its there, I know well.
As a Jew, I say this kindly as I possibly can but it very much is quite strong in the real world. I’ve experienced antisemitism numerous times over with people using antizionism as an excuse. Antisemitism is really bad and has risen in the past few years online and offline, and people with bad intentions absolutely exploit Israeli war crimes to justify their antisemitism. And it creates a shitty feedback loop as hardcore Zionists point to instances of antisemitism that’s in done under the guise of antizionism as “hey look see they hate us thats why we need zionism!”
I’ve experienced antisemitism numerous times over with people using antizionism as an excuse.
I am from India, and we are not as aware culturally, since we are far from Western countries. Mostly what I hear is from my Palestinian and Middle East friends, from non-West media sources like Telesur that I try to tune in on occasionally.
What kinds of groups perpetrate this, and what could you add to my point regarding white rightwingers? Because West media purposely masking Israel with the cloak of cultural protection given to Jews is often what I discuss with my friend and is fucking disgusting and a disservice to all of the innocent Jews.
Any group. Antisemitism is unfortunately a unique form of racism that can be perpetuated by anyone. It’s complicated, and it’s complexity makes it all the more frustrating. It’s not just a Nazi thing, it’s an anyone thing. Anyone can perpetuate antisemitism, not just Nazis. That’s why it’s such a prevalent form of bigotry across the world. It’s also prevalent not just in Europe but there is antisemitism that has been culturally common in the Middle East as well as it is in the West, most of it which predates Israels founding as a whole too. That doesn’t justify Israels bullshit and their fascist government. Jew’s are hated by nearly everyone, everywhere.
Because West media purposely masking Israel with the cloak of cultural protection given to Jews is often what I discuss with my friend and is fucking disgusting and a disservice to all of the innocent Jews.
This specifically is something to be very careful when stating, as it veers dangerously close into territory of “jews control the media” which is an antisemitic conspiracy theory. I know what you are trying to say and our intentions seem to be in good faith here, but I ask you to analyze that as it is one of those things that people may take in very bad faith.
https://www.ushmm.org/antisemitism/what-is-antisemitism/explained <- this is a good primer for it. It’s extremely complicated and there’s a reason why even in the US many well intentioned people don’t understand it either. It also doesn’t help that Israel uses legit examples of antisemitism to try and shield their war crimes from criticism.
The videos are far too basic material for someone like me, as I already know how antisemitism mutates like a disease. But your emphasis on the fact that it mutates, that is interesting, because I never thought of it in the longer timeline context. Good takeaway, thanks.
There’s a difference between antizionism and antisemitism. Just as there’s a difference between Israel and Jews.
Blame Israel, it’s anti Israel. Blame the Jews, it’s antisemitism.
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Antisemitism explicitly refers to hatred of Jews, it’s a weird linguistics thing but its why when referring to antisemitism there isnt a dash (anti-semitism) as that would specifically refer to all semites as a whole (which palestinians are). It has roots to the specific phrase that was used in German to refer to hatred of Jews.
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Don’t attempt to explain my own peoples hatred to me. I know more than you as I’ve lived this, as a Jew who is explicitly not a Zionist and has faced antisemitism online and offline. Stop.
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Also any expression of support for the Israel led genocide of Palestinians or any sort bigotry will not be tolerated as per Rule 3.
Thank you.
“This is the day of the greatest battle to end the last occupation on earth,” Mohammed Deif, the Hamas military commander said, adding that 5,000 rockets were launched.
What the fuck. Last occupation?
Is that a deliberate anti-Ukraine statement or are they just completely clueless what’s happening outside their borders?
I can not find it anywhere in the life blog. Are you sure it wasn’t translated/transcribed wrongly?
I also cannot find it anymore. Weird that Al Jazeera would bother removing it. You can find the quote elsewhere in that site, though, and in many other sources.
Sometimes quotes get mistranslated and the only people that catch it are the ones for whom Arabic is their mother tongue. AFAIK the Palestinian Arabic dialect has some differences with what journalists at Al Jazeera might be used to.
Maybe it is a similar but different thing for Deif.
Israel has occupied The Gaza strip for decades while Russia is invading Ukraine. Is kind of discounted by the occupation of Crimea but since that is in contest right now, maybe that’s not so much an occupation anymore but a war.
You’re definitely from reddit if your being pedantic about what a military Commander is saying to rally his cause. “Actshually there are other occupations going on”. Also are you really trying to make this about Ukraine??
i want to wake up to a world without Israel
You and Hams have something in common.
so weird how the victims of a genocide would prefer the apartheid state to not exist
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Palestine is not enacting a genocide. That assertion is frankly disgusting.
Have libs really begun to abuse the word “genocide” so badly that an act of war by itself against an oppressive state is now considered genocidal?
Have you read Hamas mission statement - it literally is to commit genocide
Go fuck yourself, Hamas literally exists as a militant group to push back against Israeli military terrorism.
They will if Hamas gets their way.
I know it’s unlikely to happen, but you liberals should really start asking yourselves why these sort of hypothetical scenarios are required to justify your worldview.
they’re in constant state of terror to the tune of “they’ll do to us what we did to them!”
see also US slaveowners with their constant fantasizing about slave revolts, and their increased brutality to the enslaved to prevent it.
see also ancient spartans living in constant terror of a slave uprising and brutalizing their enslaved populations.
see also current US whites malding about the non-white population rising…
always the same shit with these fucks.
okay well thanks for your prognostication but israel is doing a genocide now
what may or may not happen in the future according to the world’s least informed dipshit is irrelevant
Yeah just like Russia totally wants to kill every last Ukranian, right? You clowns have nothing but projection.
When the Apartheid rule in South Africa ended, a “Truth and Reconciliation Commission” was set up to prevent just this kind of retaliation from materializing. Even the Big Black Book of why Israel is peepeepoopoo according to South Africa that I have, even suggests also setting up a Truth and Reconciliation Commission for this same reason for when Palestine is liberated.
However, you are more than likely engaging in a bad-faith argument, so…
Are you a real person? WTF
you’re a fucking clown
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“After Hamas Offensive” fucking Zionist rag, even after Israel literally blew up their fucking offices in Palestine
Al Jazeera is run by a bunch Brits that have full editorial control unless it conflicts with Qatar’s foreign interests. It’s a giant dogsh*t media outlet pretending to be progressive. It’s like The Guardian of the middle east, not worth wiping your butt with.
considering this is what lemm.ee is allowing, i can only imagine what the more reddit-infested lemmy.world looks like
I used to give lemmy world shit for being full of reddit users but I find their users aren’t anywhere nearly as consistently badly behaved as the other reddit alts like lemmee and feddit.
I’ve created a community for them here on hexbear as well
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected]
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13 hours later, it seems it’s gone. At least I cannot access it.
It looks like a tiny sub with three people at the most commenting, and that’s just me being generous and not assuming they’re all alts.
This is why we require mod approval for new comms.
“We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians … Choose peace rather than confrontation. Except in cases where we cannot get, where we cannot proceed, or we cannot move forward. Then if the only alternative is violence, we will use violence.”
- Nelson Mandela
I guess the time has come where Palestinians cannot move forward, and have to use violence.
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Israel has labeled BDS, the actual peaceful option, terrorism.
“World opinion”
I think you mean ‘the opinion of the US and it’s allies.’ The world is much bigger than that, and opinions about Israel in the rest of the world are not great.
Israel is funded and propped up by USA. How are you expected to turn USA and Anglos against USA, when they support Ukraine and Israel, both run by Zionist heads? (Zelensky is a Zionist.)
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Blacks allow West to portray itself as an inclusive culture, because of centuries of European exploitation being historically known to the world. Israel allows USA to fund and commit cyber terrorism globally, bully Iran for the “oil” and “influence” Middle East affairs. Complete Palestine colonisation is the goal of Israel and its military funder USA.
Netanyahu could be assassinated tomorrow and replaced by another US puppet.
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Remember when Israel just mowed down peaceful protestors after Trump moved the American embassy to Jerusalem? That embassy hasn’t been moved back under a Democratic president, either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–2019_Gaza_border_protests
This is but one example, under a climate of constant incursion into Gaza and stealing ever more land. That’s what Israeli settlements are, after all. They claim land from Palestinians, force them out of their homes, then move in Israeli families.
Anything Hamas does is self-defense.
Yeah totally, words are a war crime. Get a grip you’re hysterical.
Right?!? Literally the most reactionary take possible, acting like Isreal hasn’t done anything wrong to the Palestinians, or had gaza under crippling sanctions for decades…
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Also, too bad this place isn’t moderated, getting hard to choose between it and Reddit
Then go back to reddit then and spare us your concern troll moaning in support of a genocidal ethnostate. Any violence done by Palestinians is self defense at this point.
Also, this place is heavily moderated, it’s just not an echo chamber where you’re going to see nothing but opinions identical to your own (dogshit) worldview. Yes, your first comment was removed, as well it should have been.
It’s moderated, your shit was removed lmao.
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there’s a modlog at the bottom of every page if you want even more evidence of how hilariously wrong you are
that’s where I had to go to see you calling internet comments “war crimes” since your post had been removed
also - lol, lmao
Lol it was removed by a hexbear mod on the hexbear instance. Only you and your fragile commie buddies were spared from the horrors of his dumb take
Cope
Do you not understand how federation works?
“It is of no use for Israel to talk of peace, if they still hold onto the Arab territories of which they conquered.”
Want to guess who said this one?
The Palestinians have been pushed to breaking point by decades of apartheid. Obviously terrorist acts and killing civilans by any side is unjustifiable, but general Palestinian resistance against Israeli military targets and soldiers is self defence at this point. And let’s be very clear, you can’t steal Palestinian people’s homes, kick Palestinians out of their land, and joyfully watch Palestinians being bombed in an open air concentration camp , which Israeli settlers have been doing to Palestinians, and not expect a response in turn. You reap what you sow.
Palestinians: got their land stolen by Israel
Israel: Surprised stealing people’s land makes them want to shoot you
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Yes, the land is stolen. Yes, resistance is legitimate. No, murder of civilians is not acceptable, no matter which side does it.
Would you really hold the same view if native Americans massacred American civilians in the US today?
Settlers are not civilians. They are non combat support for the illegal occupation.
if u.s. “civilians” were intentionally aiding in the genocide their government is carrying out? yes, killing them would be 100% justified, no matter who did it or when.
Personally my stance isn’t so much that I think its “acceptable” as I think its “an unfortunate reality”. Revolutions are not clean, ever. Individuals involved in it do bad things. Holding the oppressed to the standards of having a completly clean revolution (impossible) is just counterproductive. I support the revolutionaries even if not every action they take is morally right. I dont withdraw my support for something that is good on the whole because of individual acts that are not good.
Its also worth noting that Israel chose to put civilians on the front lines of a settler project, and that this is kind of the obvious consequence of that. It can easily be argued, I think correctly, that they wanted this so they could look like the victims. Despite them being the oppressors.
Yeah you’re right your right I’m just being a shitter sorry
However, your last question is a little interesting. I would support it If native Americans were slaughtering Americans while they were still stealing their land. Israel is contemporary colonialism, and because they can get away with it and still be the victims, that is white supremacy
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Mass genocide happening: I sleep
They fight back one time: OMG IM SO SCARED FOR THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY
I am a realist. What do you think is going to happen to Palestine in the near future if both or any one of them escalates?
The top comment in this thread is
i want to wake up to a world without Israel
This goading and dangerous rhetoric is spewed by the uniparty in reverse, i.e against Palestine right now.
Here is a measured response btw
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Just going to ignore the fact that Israel has been escalating for well over the last decade??
Can I introduce you to all of human history?
Yeah but the rest of human history didn’t involve the threat of nuclear annihilation always looming on the horizon.
And yet, if Palestine had nukes, Israel would not encroach on its borders.
Russia opened that can of worms.
The invasion of Palestine by Israeli settler colonisers started somewhere around 1940s you dumbass.
Nah, Russia is just another symptom of the broad-based rise in instability. Russia is making the most of it - and they are not alone. A few regimes are getting their shit sorted so that they can hunker down for the next few decades. Or not. Chaos is a ladder, after all.
So, I just noticed my comment got removed because some mod interpreted it as me saying the Palestine Genocide is complicated. Where did I once state it is complicated?? I just wanted to analyze it through to the best of my knowledge and even remained open to criticism.
This is blatant silencing in my opinion, to the mod who deleted it, I publicly ask you to message me, to tell me your full reasoning behind this so we can civilly discuss it in private. Also, to remind, I clearly don’t support any sort of genocides, they are disgusting and horrendous.
Outside of that, have a nice day/night.
Your comment got removed because saying there’s nuance in resisting a genocide is a nazi talking point.
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lol, lmao even. There should be a rule that people have to link their comments if they want to whinge and be disingenuous about moderation.
CW: genocide apologia
I feel like commenting on the situation is important, due to I think the vast majority of commenters are too ideologically fanatical against both or one side(Either you support Palestine or support Israel) that is so polarized. This was happened before in other ways, believe me. Look at the 20th century history of general region alone(I am referring to the Eastern Mediterranean), notice a pattern? I do. So, before hand I am giving this disclaimer, to some of you that will sound “Islamophobic” and anti-muslim and that kind of stuff and might be considered “hate speech”. I am basing it upon current events and past events that are im part of my historical knowledge, so correct me to any inaccuracies, but please provide sources to these so I can study these better. (Do note this doesn’t focus directly on Islam, but I am putting disclaimers anyways)* *Corrections, it is in general sensitive topics, relating to genocides, war and the like. If you are sensitive towards any of these topics, please click off for your own good, otherwise proceed. And I will make it clear I don’t support either sides, I just want a two state solution in a way, ideally a federation will do the best job I believe. Any further corrections/changes will be noted there. – ::: spoiler spoiler ___ So, the entire shitfuckery roots on the basis of religious and ethics conflicts at its core manipulated by third parties. I will be referring to the current ongoing 21th once again started genocide of the Armenians by the Azerbaijani Government and Military, the basis of is of ethnic, but as stated as above…rooted in religion and possibly other reasons, including propaganda. You have to look further back in the 20th century alone to see, where, alone whole entire native populations were kicked out of native lands because of religion and the fucking interest of the Big Powers(At the time Britain, France and some other I can’t remember), that was amidst WWI and shortly afterwards. I am referring to the Armenian Genocide, but…it was not only them affected. Many of these people were the Christian populations of Minor Asia, that included the Armenians. Religion was everything in terms of division, but peace was there, it was fragile in truth. And so the Big Powers, manipulated them the same ways the Nazis demonized the Jews, this lead to infighting between the populations, and it lead to some very horrible things in there…the same went to the opposite side. To note it was during sunset years of the Ottoman Empire. And I will be focusing on the religious aspect for a bit. There were shitty people from groups, and the like. In general, the rich are to blame in terms. But also Religion, why though? Religion is the root causation of countless infighting for centuries on end between ethnic groups, the same applies to the Palestinians and Israelis whether you want it or not, the religious animosity of Jews and Muslims can’t be ignored, and so once again the Great Powers came into the equation, in one side we got the USA, being the modern day imperialists they are, manipulate the situation at hand making Israel as a country in a way their “pet” to put it lightly and use this country as a scapegoat for furthering their own agendas. At the hand, we got Palestine, who would have you guessed it, has some pretty notable jihadists popular as leaders, I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if the Hamas “went to bed” with some other Great Power to get funding and manipulate the agony of the Palestinians towards the Israeli civilians and alike. They are not any better than any other islamic terrorist organization in regards of humans rights mind you, they want an islamic emirate where people like us(LGBTQ+, any other religious group, women and the like) are oppressed and treated worse than their fucking pets. And cleanse ethnically any other groups that what they consider “true” Palestinian. To my fellow Left Wingers, do you know easy is it to be labelled as that? As an undesirable? Since when these type of people(far-right) our friends? Never. You can easily be next in their list. Israel is not innocent also. There is no true justification in blatant of derooting people of their homes, I can understand the military due past history of hostile neighbors(Let’s not look any further a bit up north), but for many things, not really. But, I have not lived there in both Israel and Palestine to fully know. So, what I am trying to achieve by saying all of this? We need to look up at the true perpetrators at hand and work together to stop, including the local ones. In the end for peace in the region to the be finally achieved is we need to go past our luring nightmares of the past and march forward all together at hand and do what these fuckers don’t want us to do: Working together. No one is innocent truly. No one. I am saying as someone who’s from this general region and the same happens at here with the neighbors across the same sea we share, many of the youth doesn’t want infighting and we need realize how truly not so different we are as people. Let’s hope in the future this all become something we laugh about in late night drinking, where we all drunkenly tease each other with no malice behind it and are all friends, with the nightmare long since over, now belonging to the history books for the future generations to look back upon and remind themselves why it is better for us to be allies than enemies. ::: I hope this gets my point across, and no TL;DR. And if there any issues regarding rule breaking, please tell me down in the replies.
Been seeing claims on social media (so of course be skeptical) of at least one destroyed Merkava tank, POWs taken from that tank, a Zionist Entity military barracks overwhelmed with loss of all occupiers inside, and Palestinian fighters in control of at least one illegal settlement.
May Palestine finally be free, from the river to the sea.
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The only path to victory is protracted guerilla war. Their best case scenario is fighting for a decade.
It won’t be, but nothing about being forced in an open air concentration camp is pretty
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Yet you guys freak out when this argument is used on Ukraine. Both are bullshit arguments btw.
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If you take a look at Israeli and Russian media, you’ll find out that they pretty use the same methods of propaganda (and sure some things are different, but the general census is the same).
Dehumanizing the enemy, and lumping all of its people together, meanwhile trying to justify their actions with the victim approach. “oh please help i’m getting attacked, i have done nothing wrong, those guys over there are terrorists/nazis, we’re only liberating it from the horrible terrorists/nazis who keep bombing this place! we’re doing this for peace!”
Also, why do you think the “terrorists” are doing this? Surely it wouldn’t be because of the illegal occupation of Palestine that Israel has been doing since 1948, with the Nakba (where various militant groups such as Irgun and Lehi did a massacre on Palestinian people, the looting of Palestinian homes, and evasion tactics such as planting trees to hide the fact that this was once Palestinian land being a huge part of it). IDF also play a major role in the occupation, as they very much want their presence known.
IDF raid houses for the purpose of taking picture of all the family members in the house to use as data for BlueWolf (which is basically a profile of Palestinians so that Israel’s surveillance cameras can easily recognize their faces). They can also do a “house search” where they knock everything over and then come up empty-handed because they don’t know what they’re searching for. They can also use the house that they just raided as a sort of military base.
Their most recent crime is the killing of a journalist, Shireen Abu Akleh. They then lied through their teeth while Israeli bots posted misinformation say that “the terrorists fired on her”, which was quickly debunked. They call that a “PR blitz”. Also, for them, bombing hospitals (such as the al-Shifa hospital), schools, media towers (Al-Jalaa building being one example), apartment buildings (such as Hamadi tower), and if that isn’t enough, the al-Shati refugee camp is known as “mowing the lawn”.
So of course the Palestinians have every right to fight back, just like the Ukrainians do. I don’t agree with every method (just as i don’t agree with every method the Ukrainians use),. That being said, they are being occupied by a country who’s raiding and demolishing homes, doing random assassinations, and to top it all off, throwing tear gas into mosques and hospitals because that’s what the most moral army in the world does. No surprise that they fight back. They aren’t just going to surrender their land to the occupiers.
I’m sorry for you and for your girlfriend’s family. I hope and pray they aren’t hurt … was going to write more but my heart breaks for them and for others as I write this. :'( I’m sorry that doesn’t mean much coming from a randomer across the internet.
I try to remember the situation here is more complex than the parts I know about and read about, but having heard of what the insurgents are doing to civilians, and the glee at killing and degradation and massacre, I’m disgusted and sickened. And disgusted at people gleefully supporting such murder.
Israel existing involves the indiscriminate massacre of Palestinians. You only care when they fight back. Eat shit
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Yeah I guess 5,000+ Palestinians just happened to be involved in wacky Looney Toons accidents near Israeli military operations.
but in the vast majority of cases Israeli operations don’t intend to harm civilians.
That is categorically untrue. What do you think the intention of bombing the Gaza strip is? The population density there is too high for precision airstrikes to be a possibility. What do you think Israeli settlers stealing the homes of Palestinians is? Israel has bombed the offices of journalists and killed them before. How is that not intending to harm civilians. Just because Israel uses the cloak of plausible deniability and fancy language to say that they don’t target civilians, it doesn’t make it true.
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I know these people, I know they don’t target civilians.
no you don’t
lmao he sounds like a guy getting interrogated for a crime he helped a friend cover up. Just lying on easy mode.
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They enjoy killing civilians because they view all Palestinians as subhumans and threats.
“the Palestinian population has been increasing for decades.”
Hasbara talking point detected.
but in the vast majority of cases Israeli operations don’t intend to harm civilians.
You mean like when apartment towers, hospitals, schools, water treatment plants, media offices, etc. in the Gaza Strip get leveled? Also, what are the Israeli secret service doing in the Oliver Tambo Airport all the way in Johannesburg for the past 15 years?
Do you support terrorists roaming the streets and killing families in their homes?
No, thats’s why I’m anti-Isreal
Where did they get those homes?
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your wagers are as worthless as you are.
Do you have any actual criteria for that stat? I don’t either but I know I’ve seen enough videos of families removed at gun point from their homes, enough for a few lifetimes.
Hell, the attacks on Al Asqa is more than enough proof that they’re not simply building homes on land they own, but are acting as a violent invading force.
Do you support terrorists roaming the streets and killing families in their homes?
no, but you do, fascist piece of shit.
the vast majority of cases Israeli operations don’t intend to harm civilians.
And it’s still happening, fully out of your reach. Cry like the bitch you are
There are videos of a Merkava destroyed by a drone-launched PG-7, photos of a second destroyed Merkava, and videos of MANPADS shooting down Israeli helicopters.
I saw the footage of a drone dropping an explosive on a Merkava. Video cut out before the smoke cleared so who knows if the tank was knocked out? I know at least one Merkava was burned and IDF prisoners taken from it, so entirely possible.
The only video of Israeli helicopters I’ve seen are video game fakes a la Ukrainian cope from 2022.
I’m looking up combat footage in Telegram, and it ain’t looking pretty for the Zionists. You can tell the Palestinians caught them completely off guard with all the dead IDF solders lying in the pool of their blood without combat gear or even pants. Paper tigers always act tough until the colonized fight back, then they’re cowering in garbage bins or taking the first flight back to the US and Europe.
The million dollar question is whether the US will write off Ukraine as a loss in order to bolster its most prized proxy state or whether the US will continue to stretch itself thin by fighting multiple fronts.
Man, what a dumb comment.
They are unarmed and fear being shot, how the fuck is that cowering? It’s just a bunch of teens trying to survive.
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Which telegrams?
Or the people upload only things where they look like they are winning?
Please hit Israel colonisers out of the park, literally. Fuck Israel to death.
Sincerely, someone who has a long term Palestinian friend
Edit: asked him, he’s okay and far
