Definitely not unkillable tho
installing your own OS and/or bootloader is a pain and most of the time unfeasable. And that’s the only way to safely kill software based backdoors.
Even then, unless you also blow away the firmware, you can’t be sure it’s clean.
on Android, the OS is the firmware. If you talk about peripheral firmware, I’d not call it “software based” anymore.
Owning a smart TV is one of the stupidest things you can do.
I’m admittedly this type of stupid, but I also know how to blacklist all the domains my garbage ass Vizio tries to phone home to.
They make the devices cheap so that they can spy on you. It’s the New Deal.
Edit: I see i’m not the only one who gave up on finding a reasonable TV and just opted to neuter a Smart TV instead. Now that I’m not in a position of “me want now, nothing in local store”, I think Ill take a few moments to do some research for everyone, and myself, just to highlight that there actually are still options. Heres a few brands I found that still offer Dumb TVs. I know nothing else about these, and am not in any way promoting these brands or claiming they are good at all. IDK.
This is not endorsement
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Sceptre, breaks “Smart TVs” out as separate “android TVs” group, From “4K UHD” and “LED” offerings: https://www.sceptre.com/
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Supersonic, breaks out “smart TVs” from "4k " and “HD/FHD” TVs: https://www.supersonicinc.com/
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Caixun, breaks out “Linux” and “Android” TVs, from “4k” and HD" TVs: https://www.caixun-global.com/
If anyone has relevant info about these brands, related to if they are good or suck… let me know.
It’s hard to buy a dumb TV now
its called a monitor
Edit, i felt bad about being a smart ass, and edited my parent comment to be more… helpful
Above 35" monitors aren’t that common, and the ones that exist are basically TVs with TV software.
Commercial displays are the only real alternative. Some of them even come with a slot for a Raspberry Pi compute module.
I heard Sceptre still sells them. Never bought one so can’t vouch for quality
Do modern TVs even come in non-smart variants anymore?
yeah I have 3 connected to this PC
Edit, i felt bad about being a smart ass, and edited my parent comment to be more… helpful
But they’re expensive.
A 50" TV is about $220. (smart TV)
A 50" monitor is $650.
Yep. Thus why i edited my comment in an attempt to back-wheel a little.
Monitors are more expensive because of:
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Monitors generally higher refresh rates (images displayed per time interval) with Monitors being from 60-240Hz, and TVs generally only being 60-120Hz (Hz = number per second)
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Monitors typically have calibrated/better color accuracy and white balance versus TVs
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Monitors have ~141PPI, TVs ~86PPI (Pixels Per Inch: Measurement of pixel density). A 24" monitor is basically the same thing as a 40" TV where pixel density is concerned.
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Monitors generally have much better response time (how fast a pixel can change colors) with Monitors being ~5 milliseconds, and TVs being ~16 milliseconds.
The additional hardware requirements to meet the higher specs necessarily drives up the cost of computer monitors, when compared to TVs. Sorry.
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no.
It doesn’t really matter, just don’t connect them to the internet. Our TV just has a 14 year old computer that plays media perfectly, and is completely cut off from the internet.
If they allow you to do that without any loss in functionality.
Curious, what functionality would I lose? All it needs to do is turn on and display video through an HDMI port.
Samsung historically has had a habit of poaching features from their Smart TVs as they age, eventually leaving you with a not so smart TV after a decade or so. Not sure if other manufacturers do the same
Aha! Yeah that’s okay with me, since we just disable their internet hook computers up, to use them as dumb monitors.
What a realistic approach! A thing getting dumber as it ages, what a great idea!
/s
It takes some research if youve never done anything like it before, but you can drip feed it the internet via a pihole, and starve it specifically of ads and data collection. Keep the functionality, kill the leech.
Google smart tv pihole, theres a few guides, for anyone interested.
But why? It doesn’t need that for anything. Just plug an old computer in via HDMI and bookmark movie-web.app or download/stream stuff from anywhere. Much better quality, interface, and no jank.
Just depends on what you need it for, and what youre trying to plug into it.
For example, some people dont have spare computers to turn into a mini server, but do have $60 and the time to fiddle with a raspberry pi.
Mines a 14 year old gateway you could prolly get for free or under 100, much more powerful than a RPi. Using Windows 10 on it with zero issue.
I do have a couple Pis next to it but those don’t hook up to any screens, I just tunnel into em. One is a PiHole and one is a server. :3
Admittedly I haven’t been looking that hard, but I don’t think I’ve seen a TV for sale in the past 10 years that wasn’t a “smart” TV.
I’ve updated my comment with some info, Hope it helps next time you’re in the market.
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Chinesium devices, anyone?
You have a device not made in China?
I have a tv built in 1978, it was made somewhere in Michigan dont know where the sticker is faded in that part.
Cool. 500W worth of lamps for (maybe) 32" of terrible quality picture?
Its actaully widescreen and the picture quality is surprisingly decent.
Except that old CRT cannot display modern digital images.
Yeah, I was making a joke. Do love that bastard though, also its fun to daisy chain adapters and run firesticks and shit on it. Good for old movies and games that were intended for CRT.
I tried to make that shit work with Raspberry pi. All attempts were futile.
Here it is: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/2626604
I rememberLinus Tech Tips talking about that month ago:
Do you have a credible source instead?
Still more credible than 90% of random tech outlets.
3/10 is still not a good rating, even if strictly better than 2/10
Oh, many many reasons is why.
They aren’t tech experts. They’re tech entertainers.
Woah, I just checked, and apparently they are back to releasing videos.
Lmfao
Isn’t his gf/wife Chinese ?
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/1vpepaQ-VQQ?si=t52OHvJ79nnXSsYC
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Looks like my old bravia and rpi is a good combination.
That’s why you should build your own media center from an old machine. Much safer and more private.
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- Connect old PC to TV. Both can be 15 years old.
- (optional) For better performance, get a small SSD alongside the big HDD (a 64GB
/partition will do), maybe have a homemade NAS ready too - Install Lubuntu, Mint XFCE, Puppy Linux or any other distro of choice
- Set up KDE Connect, qBittorrent and VLC
- Enjoy
OK I’ve tried in the past to make a decent streaming box from both windows media center edition and various Linux distros. But I need something that is simple, can be controlled entirely from a remote, and has the major streaming apps (Netflix, disney, etc). I haven’t really found any solution that’s easy enough for non techie people to use. I have a standalone roku box that works ok we also have a roku TV which is a giant piece of garbage, and I’m considering buying an external roku or nvidia shield as a streaming box instead, I do have a couple of raspberry pi 4s I could use one but again I’m faced with the same issues.
Wait, smart devices might not be secure?! I’m shocked!
Are non smart TVs even still a thing nowadays? I don’t own or watch any TV so I honestly don’t know how the market currently looks like.
Apparently “smartness” has not invaded projectors…per a comment I read here on kbin a while back from a projector owner. This really encourages me to buy one.
It did though, last time I went to a tech store, there was a samsung smart projector that had all the capabilities of a smart tv
I hope it is not ubiquitous.
Although a projector would need you to have a home with a whole spare wall. And would force you to dim the lights all the time.
They’re harder to find, for sure. Especially if you want a large screen.
When I was shopping around a few years ago, the only 65" TV I could find without smart features was a Sceptre, which is Walmart’s electronics brand. Speakers so bad that I had to buy a sound bar, and the display isn’t that great, but it gets the job done and I don’t need to worry about it being an attack vector.
Yepp - hop on Ebay or some surplus auction site, and search for commercial/signage displays. Don’t bother buying new unless you have the money for it IMO, they are expensive unless you get them used
Edit: typo
Not really but you can always get a “smart” tv and never connect it to the Internet. If you want to stream just use an external device you trust like a PC
They get called “monitors” a lot (depending whether you need them to pick up cable/airwaves of course)
China hacked my fucking coffee mug.
These are just generic Android TV devices that use Allwinner board. Allwinner made these kind of generic boards for Android TV and Android Auto head unit and sell them to OEMs. The OEMs then “customize” it by adding their APKs into the ROM provided by Allwinner. I doubt the malware come from Allwinner. Maybe it’s just one (or more) OEM that include whatever APK they found on the internet without checking.
Its called google and it infects all stock android devices
Anyway I actually have one of those devices. It was support to be a birthday present but it came with some baggage. By the time I realized it I couldn’t return it
In total the researchers confirmed eight devices with backdoors installed—seven TV boxes, the T95, T95Z, T95MAX, X88, Q9, X12PLUS, and MXQ Pro 5G, and a tablet J5-W.
The other thing discussed is fraudulent android apps that have been removed from the play store.
I miss having a dumb tv
If I don’t connect it to the internet they don’t get to sell ur data innit
Shit will want to connect some way. If I ever have to buy a smart TV for myself, I’m opening it up and swapping the brain board or removing the antenna.
I only watch pirated content. What data are they selling?
Your viewing habits. Nature shows? Show this guy camping gear ads on his phone!
Ah well goodluck google. I haven’t seen a single ad from past 6-7 years. Next DNS on my router, Linux mint with Firefox (ublock origin) and same for android.
Nice! I do pretty much the same except for the dns part. I’ll look into it.
Having said that, I’ve always said that we should be able to purchase dumb TVs, and when people say “just don’t connect it to the net,” they’re missing the point, because they’re still enabling these companies (this is not directed at you specifically. It’s just an argument I keep hearing.)
You know, if I did get relevant ads from all of these places that are supposedly tracking everything that I do and monitoring my likes, I wouldn’t mind ads so much. But the fact that even though Google, for example, knows everything that I do and everywhere that I go and everything that I like, they still serve me irrelevant ads that I would never care about in a billion years. All of this touted targeted ads bullshit technology and it doesn’t even work. So I don’t care, harvest everything that I like and everything that I do. Because it doesn’t work anyway.
Problem are not ads being relevant. Real problem is much more sinister. It’s about being able to influence your behavior thanks to knowing your habits. Shill new running shoes from a different perspective so you find it more palatable or easier to influence you to buy something you don’t want. Slowly these patterns emerge and can be exploited. In some cases they can start to reveal secrets you don’t want revealed, like that case where Target sent pregnancy ads and coupons to teenagers and causing bunch of issues with their parents. It gets worse if they start selling your data to others. Imagine a politician making targeted ads towards select group of people based on their preferences telling them what they want to hear in order to get elected. Data can easily be abused in such a way.
You say it doesn’t work on you, which I doubt but even if that is so, on majority of people it will work. Privacy must be taken absolutely and seriously even though you have nothing to hide. Just like freedom of speech must remain even though you have nothing to publicly say.
Very well said I agree this needs to be taken more seriously. I recently bought a laptop that when booting into the BIOS displayed a message box saying that the device had persistent technology installed on it. With a little google search I found many computer companies come preinstalled with this rootkit and that it was not installed on the hard drive but into the motherboard instead and removing it was next to impossible. Almost every major computer company now are coming pre-installed with this. (mine was a 2020 Levono Thinkpad T490)
It’s boiling the frog approach. Slowly and hard to notice these changes are added one by one.
Bro being a regular sucks and it even sucks more when you don’t know what you’re taking about. They will sell you Nike while making you think that you’re life sucks because you’re fat.
I’m annoyed that they don’t sell them and that even if you don’t connect a smart tv to wifi to keep it dumb it’ll still not just be a display and it’ll try to shove stuff in your face
Most TVs have an office or presentation mode hidden somewhere in the settings, that will get rid of the ad-ridden interface and replace it with a plain and functional one. That plus no wifi, ever, gets them sorted.
I bought a Hisense and it had the option during setup to disable most smart features and leave it in “basic mode”. I was already going to put an Apple TV in it so I just left it there and I’ve been happy. Only thing a tv needs is settings and the ability to change inputs.
android tv has this option at setup, like Sony and whatever else
your Hisense has android tv pre-installed
I gave mine up when I had to move cross country. I miss it dearly.
I have an old Toshiba LCD TV which is a bit thick in comparison to today’s devices but it’s so good and robust. Also no smart features what so ever. Comes with a bunch of inputs and has some features not found on modern devices. It also came with full schematic should it ever need servicing. Every now and then I’ll get the urge of getting oh so new and shiny OLED then remind myself about builtin expiration date and stupid “smart” features.
Walmart sells Sceptre 4k tvs which are dumb, sure they aren’t OLED or have amazing refresh rates but they are the perfect TV for most people, it’s much easier to chuck and buy a new $20 streaming device when updates make it crawl to a near stop than it is to do the same with a $600+ TV.
These new Led backlit tvs die like every 2 years and need led strip replacement. I had to repair mine 3 times now while my old lcd tv never died in 15+ years and I gave it to my dad who is using it for past 8 years daily.
Any Smart TV can be a dumb TV if not connected to the internet
And what you will do with the preinstalled malware and bloatware?
Whats the malware going to do?
Lock you out? Instant refund and negative review. Steal your info? Cant send info out without internet.
LOL I’m still using an old CRT TV because it just won’t die and I barely watch TV
Every laptop, mobile phone, TV, smart home devices and their mothers have an unkillable backdoor. What’s new?
Usually get patched and fixed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ In this case they sell them like this and most take advantage of it.
Bro his gf/wife is Chinese
Thanks for the super relevant info 🤦♂️
Do you realize that a person can be from a country without having any involvement with the industries and government of that country?
I think she’s from real China, Taiwan!
She’s not, you can figure it out, but let’s stick to generalisation
Who? The guy with questionable “methodology”?
So you do know him!
Where are the hackers when you need them?
