@LMAO is flooding the site with random communities because they’re salty about being banned for claiming too many community names. They claim they’re trying to “fuck your entire site up” but I imagine it’s a relatively quick fix to delete all the communities they’re creating, LMAO.
Can probably be mitigated by taking some sort of entropy threshold on the level of human language - but then the next step is Markov chain generators or chatGPT spam.
Alright, mate? You want all the random communities you can get? Let me suggest you to get your own instance to flood with them.
It’s kind of like watching a regime change in real time. Mass movement, infrastructure scaling (mostly) JIT…
The most annoying thing is that the “Trending Communities” section is filled with spam right now.
I think this does show an
inherentcurrent flaw with Lemmy. We need a way to report users through their profile. So far we can only report users when they comment, but this guy isn’t commenting anywhere so there’s no report button. Unless I’m missing something. :pThat’s not an “inherent flaw”. It’s a flaw that currently exists in Lemmy, but one that could be easily remedied with a patch that adds a “report” link to the profile. An inherent flaw would be one that is difficult or impossible to mitigate due to the concept of Lemmy.
Yup, fair enough, I’ll edit it!
Yep, I can’t find a report button for users or communities, only comments.
There is already a proposal on github to hard limit and/or rate limit the creation of communities.
Also “trending communities” shouldn’t be the same thing as “new communities”.
time for a purge
So apparently spez isn’t satisfied just fucking up Reddit, and now he is trying to fuck up lemmy, LMAO
Spez is turning into the prototype of a not-too-bright villain.
Q: “Why is there random trash dumped in the alley?”
A: “Dunno, Spez must have been here.”
This is who we’re leaving behind at Reddit. Salty little baby
How don’t these fuckwits realize this place doesn’t want them? Stay over in the trash heap where you belong.
It’s probably pure trolling just like the old internet. People are riled up over reddit and stoking the flames a classic recipe for pure lulz
Why even delete those communities? Just let’em have their three megabytes of database space that gets never used and be done with it.
Because they will show up in the communities list and be propagated (in the list) across federated instances.
If you want to be Reddit you’re gonna have to deal with the Reddit shit.
What would you rather see happen with lemmy, if not wider adoption?
Courting a user base of insufferable, unfunny, terminally online idiots gets you a user base of insufferable, unfunny, terminally online idiots. If you will recall Reddit went through the same influx of shit with the digg exodus and even more so as smartphones got wider adoption.
How about just make it impossible to mod/create more than 3?
Bad idea.
I’m making a bunch of communities myself, but mostly to see which communities stick or don’t stick. 3 is too low a number. Like ~10 or ~20 is probably reasonable.
Not that I plan to truly own 20 communities. But I probably need to create 20 communities just to find 2 good communities with enough followers.
That being said, power-modders probably need to be automatically culled. There are a bunch of people coming in, not making a single post at all and then creating 30, 40, 50+ communities. You can tell if someone is truly dedicated because they’ll make at least 2 or 3 posts as a “welcome” post, or non-default sidebars (etc. etc.).
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Why does one need several “test” which communities stick at the same time? Imo, surely a month to test three-five communities is exactly the kind of usage you would be looking for whereas opening more than that just splits the user base and defeats the purpose of testing (not to mention the potential ill-effects on the instance owners as are described in this thread)
I have a lot more than just 3 interests, and many more than a few ways of making a community-name for those interests.
So cap communities created per month, and have a global cap on communities modded?
I dunno, honey-potting is a better idea IMO.
Let them make a billion communities. Makes it easier to catch-and-purge later. You’d rather have these accounts waste a whole bunch of their own time that can be automatically detected and dealt with.
They could probably just write a script to generate countless communities in no time. I think there should be some sort of validation.
There are many communities of my interest that didn’t exist. So in my case having only 3 would really cripple me
Why? You can subscribe to as many as you want.
Because they didn’t exist, again. I had to create, for example, a Need for Speed community as it didn’t exist.
Okay. I hadn’t considered that.
I actually like this idea. The prevention of supermods like AwkwardtheTurtle is absolutely something that should be considered.
When people previously discussed this on Lemmy, the concern would be that bad actors would create multiple accounts to get around that rule.
But again, the lock on a door doesn’t guarantee your house won’t get broken into, it only has to deter them with extra effort/risk that they will be less likely to do it.
I honestly can’t imagine modding more than 2 communities at once. Do these people not have real lives?
paid trolls are a thing…
Of course, like I said, it doesn’t need to keep out everyone, just preventing the lowest effort trolls would make life a lot easier for the mods/admins.
Don’t let perfection stand in the way of progress.
So let them I say. Managing 20+ accounts becomes exhausting as hell very quickly.
Yeah it’s kinda problematic. The people who need to mod everything (super mod weirdos) would just make a bunch of accounts to ge around it. However, the people who just happen to be asked to mod a fourth community would basically have to say can’t do sorry mate.
Though I guess you could just have the number be high, like 10, which would probably lot be an issue for normal folks even if they mod a lot.
Easily enough fixed.
Initial mod limit of 3. Can mod an additional community 30 days after added to the mod roster for another, upto a hard cap. Maybe the delay increases exponentially.
Initial mod limit of 3
Do you mean like having just 3 accounts to moderate a community? Because it was normal for people to create an alt account and set it as a mod too? I was thinking like setting some limits based on community activity in a period of time like, if your community gets 10 posts per week 3 people should be enough right? But if your community gets 100 posts a week maybe consider adding another 2 mods. So, limit the ammount of mods per community to 3 by default and have some sort of automated message where if you pass certain threshold like 100 posts in a week you can request the instance admins to increase the number of mods.
I mean to say the maximum amount of communities a user can moderate.
Give a low limit to start, then gradually increase the number of communities that a user can mod.
If I understand things correctly (as I and so many others here are new to lemmy), this all comes down to the discretion of the instance admin anyway. I think we’re all just contemplating “default” rules.
Ah, that makes much more sense
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If you want to mod 200 subs but you’re limited to 5-10 per account it is much much harder than being able to do it on a single account
Who watches the watchmen
I second this, powermods are cancer.
Thirded. Canada is having political issues because the same 5 mods are infesting almost every sub. Limits are needed.
Is that happening here too or do you mean on reddit. I know they fucked up r/canada
I can imagine that in the next few days we’ll discover everything the devs didn’t think about prior to this. Part of the fun.
Also the things they thought of, but haven’t been a priority to address until it became a problem.
Moderation on decentralized networks is way harder than otherwise, which was already a constant battle.
I’m sure the devs thought of an attack but it gets deprioritized over fixing bugs and performance. I don’t think Lemmy was ready for Reddit’s collapse the way mastodon was with Twitter.
Hopefully we get the same community of moderation tools springing up that Reddit had. Bonus: they can actually be integrated into the base tooling this time!
Mastodon was far from ready for the first Twitter wave either. And there’s also the question of whether the fediverse model can actually handle this much traffic, there’s a lot of inefficient back and forth messaging between instances that’s essentially baked into the protocol, something that’s the opposite of what you need to do in a distributed system.
As General Patton famously said: no social media website survives contact with its trolls.
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Kick them all out. No exceptions.
A simple captcha for community creation would prevent this
Or just a rate limit - how many communities can a person realistically start each month?
I feel like the little “write why” box that some instances have for account creation would be well fit for this. But for creating communities, or atleast for big instances to keep them from having tons of ghost communities.
If you’re explicitly spamming, you’d just put garbage in the ‘why’ box as well.
Right. Effectively you DOS the site admins this way, making it hard for actual community set up.
But if you combine it with rate limiting, email verification, and a captcha, maybe it can be slowed to a manageable crawl.
@[email protected] I’m sure you’re tremendously busy already, just want to make sure you’re aware of this.
https://lemmy.world/post/941618
best option is [email protected]
This is exactly the best option as it will create a ticket instantly. Thanks for pointing this out here
Thanks, sent them an email
