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Unfortunately there’s no way to codify what’s offensive. Demonizing women does seem de rigueur for schools though. Probably just have to know that going in. Probably just wipe yourself off the internet as a protective manner.
What if they did something racist outside of a work setting?
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Amoral isn’t a virtue worth upholding. We should encourage good things and discourage bad things.
I think having the freedom to express stupid opinions is actually a good thing
Good news, you have that freedom. But everybody else has the freedom to decide not to associate with you for it.
I don’t think public institutions should be able to make that call. Private institutions and individuals, sure.
Why not? Public institutions are supposed to serve the public’s interests.
The paradox of tolerance suggests we draw a line and decide some things are unacceptable to tolerate or the tolerant will be overwhelmed by the intolerant. I’m sure Poppers arguments are not without flaws but absolute free speech is a pipe dream.
There are limits to free speech in US laws already, some common examples are slander, libel, and threats. There’s also “imminent lawless action” where words inciting violence can be restricted.
Maybe I’m drawing a false correlation between the two ideas but in general I don’t think it’s so black and white as you might suggest.
The paradox of tolerance is some philosopher’s idea, not some sort of axiom. We really need to stop quoting it. It’s not even the only idea of its kind. There are several philosophers with more nuanced takes.
The philosopher was correct. We should keep quoting it.
Says who? It’s okay to agree or disagree with the dude, but citing him as if it’s a source or evidence of something is just plain wrong. And that’s how the paradox of tolerance is usually brought up.
Wait, are you arguing with the concept that intolerance seeks to destroy tolerance?
I did state that his argument was not without its flaws. It still serves its purpose as a thought experiment about how a society should handle radically dissenting opinions.
I won’t pretend to know the answer in practice and censorship makes me uneasy but my debate is against free speech absolutionists.
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No, why?
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences…
I’m going to make an ai video of you calling me a n***** and send it to your bosses.
See how this works? How do we even know it was her twerking?
Wdym you want people to have principled opinions on cancel culture? We’re on the internet, here we
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In my day we did all our racism anonymously or down the pub, rather than online, under your real name, next to a photo of your real face.
I would say it highly depends on how it reflects on the institution. Twerking has nothing to do with any possible education she might have received. Saying that black people are unintelligent but good dancers shows the attempts to educate the student has failed them, which makes the school look bad if they get the scholarship.
Similarly, I’m fine with people who got fired for participating in January 6th. Any company that kept them on could face a major boycott and those people don’t deserve their jobs because they’re insurrectionists.
But this particular girl? Totally deserves the scholarship. Twerking is not a reflection of how she was educated.
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We understand that. What you don’t understand is that we’re allowed to criticize what they value.
A government funded state school has no right to push their Christian beliefs onto its students, which they clearly did, as quoted in the article.
Luckily, they also have no backbone, as they immediately reinstated everything as soon as this hit the news.
@JasSmith @FlyingSquid it was a public school. And they cited religious beliefs as for why they were so offended. That’s a clear violation of church and state and while it’s certainly not new or unique it’s not defensible or right.
You are correct, there is absolutely no difference between twerking and saying 6 million wasn’t enough, these are completely equivalent acts.
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This reply is offensive to me and therefore you should be fired from your job.
The severity is quite different, but the premise is not. These are both offensive things to different people.
These are words you typed comparing twerking to support of the holocaust .
Edit: I didn’t realise this was a weird American Christian thing. Should have just steered clear and not asked questions. ✌
We’ll damn if it’s in the RULES then it must be fine. Remember when the rules said that owning human slaves was ok? Good ol days right?
Fuck off asshole
If you have a problem with the rules, you know what you can do, right?
Change them.
Fuck off asshole
Don’t make an enemy of an ally.
Nice edit on your original comment. At least you have the grace to be embarrassed of yourself.
You okay, mate? All I’ve learned is to not ask questions. I’m not embarrassed, more confused. ☹
NB: Again I put forward an olive branch
Diggy diggy hole
Do you like kicking people when they’re down?
The only reason the school is in disrepute is because they took her scholarship.
How is this allowed? Are they gonna kick people out of college because they had sex once?
Lessons learned in Afghanistan i guess. Christian Taliban
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Alright that’s it I’m learning spanish. Seriously how do I move ? I’ve had it in my head to start putting the pieces in place to move to Spain or Portugal. But I’m an inexperienced 26 year old NEET transfem. I’m not naive, though. I know I’ve gotta twerk like nobody’s ever twerked before if I wanna make my dreams come true.
Recommendations on where to go?
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I hear Spain has hung, twerking men
Wow, imagine being called a “hood ornament of the school.”
“That I wasn’t basically following God’s ideals, which made me cry even more.” So a state institution imposing religious virtues on a student? How is that constitutional, something for the ACLU perhaps?
Sounds like something the US would invade a country for doing
So what you can’t shake your ass if you are smart? Thats bullshit. You should be able to strip AND get your masters degree. You should be able to take bikini pics and post your published research papers. What does it matter? Our species is marked by their brown noses.
You should be able to have an only fans and also arrest people!
But for real, you should. I know what you’re referencing, and I see no reason why you can’t have a side job in an unrelated field as a cop.
I’ll say the same thing I said in that thread- I have more respect for her as an OnlyFans star than I do for her as a cop and if shooting innocent black people doesn’t disqualify you from being a cop, then being on OnlyFans sure shouldn’t.
Funny thing is a lot of sex workers near uni towns will actually be grad students working to pay tuition costs, and not like “doctorate in underwater basket weaving” like the right likes to try and demonize all degree paths but work degrees as, I’ve seen MBAs and Law School students doing this too.
And shit its not a bad idea. If you can pull a lot of money each night you might graduate debt free. Which, in modern times, frees you of the noose of school loan repayments. I would much rather strip than have to pay these back right now on my inflexible career salary. Now, the abuse that comes with it is not okay. But that goes along with the demonizing of these profesions.
I mean there are safe routes, Tryst looks to be run by a cooperative of tech and sex workers, or at least started as something like that with the intention of making sex work as safe as possible.
Not the person you responded to, but I’m going to look into this. Thanks
Compared to Afghanistan where girls can’t get an education, I bet these Christians consider themselves very tolerant and progressive.
Religion excels at making idiots into massive idiots, and empower them too.
Wait until they find out their religion is just bullshit
Problem with bulshit is, once the pile is high enough it’s very hard to convince people that there is no pony underneath.
And this particular pile has been heaped on for centuries…
Yes. It’s on me. Dumbass
You can’t find out that something is bullshit when you refuse to believe anything you’re told that doesn’t align it it not bing bullshit.
(Or to put it metaphorically: you can’t catch a ball you’re activelly avoiding).
What the fuck are you even talking about?
What does shaking your ass at a private party have to do with your academics? This is the dumbest situation. This poor girl.
It has everything to do with it because god said so:
“They basically told me that I should be ashamed of myself,” Timonet told a local news outlet. “That I wasn’t basically following God’s ideals, which made me cry even more.” “I felt like my life was over.”
Guys, it’s the same rules as any underaged closet atheist. Study your ass off, become financially independent, then twerk in front of your god fearing scholarship committee
Sounds like someone dodged a bullet! Bullet-dodge ass-dance!
Oh that really pisses me off. The poor girl!
Religion is cancer
Christianity is cancer. My religion supports your right to twerk.
R’amen
I am interested in your religion
It’s Satanism.
I’m in.
Satanism is only necessary because religion is cancer though. Just like cancer, we need to use another thing that kills to kill it. I’m 100% in agreement with Satanism’s tenants, but it’s because they’re just humanist ideals wrapped in the garb of religion to use religion as a tool.
All religions are tools. Saying “religion is cancer” overlooks all of the good things that people get out of religion, such as a community with shared values that helps each other. If you can have a religion without superstition and dogma, where’s the harm? It’s not religion that’s cancer. It’s superstition and dogma.
I mean if you’re going to be that pedantic about a comment that doesn’t strike me as intending to be nuanced and specific, there are versions of Christianity that are fine with twerking too
People say “religion” when they mean “Christianity”. This A) isn’t fair to other religions and B) helps to enforce Christian hegemony.
People also say “Christianity” when they mean “evangelicalism.”
That, too.
@Coasting0942 @sara ooooooh. This is a religious scholarship? or a religious school? Alrighty then at least that makes sense.
It appears to be a public high school.
A public high school in Louisiana, so essentially a Christian school.
You ain’t from around FoxNews Parish, is ya?
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was seen dancing at a private homecoming afterparty on 30 September, behind a friend who was twerking.
she wasn’t even the one twerking
For fucks sake. I hope her family calls the ACLU.
Seems like the easiest way to get into a really good school would be to sue, whip up a media frenzy, and frame it through a feminist lens. Write an essay about overcoming adversity by standing up for what is right, no matter the cost.
BOOM easy admissions.
Yeah if the school tried to honor what the principal is doing that will be a PR nightmare for them. Honor the scholarship, admit her, do what’s right
It sounds like a religious private school, so good luck.
Its Walker High School, a public school.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_High_School_(Walker,_Louisiana)
“They basically told me that I should be ashamed of myself,” Timonet told a local news outlet. “That I wasn’t basically following God’s ideals, which made me cry even more.”
The principal inserted their religion into their job at a public school.
Well that sounds like a damn easy win for a court case.
You’d think, but these days I wonder.
I’d get the dance team members in on it for vaguely impugning their reputations, because when asked why nothing happened to them, the answer more or less had the implied subtext “that’s fine for them because we expect them to act like hoes, but you’re our hood ornament and should behave better.”
edit: in case anyone is unclear on my position regarding twerking
I agree. She’s literally getting punished for having fun with her friends at a dance party. And her friends should get the same restitution because they were also, having fun. God forbid this incredibly intelligent girl go on to be anything but an avenue for childbirth, or her friends don’t follow the same path
Let’s just hope she never tries to run for senator anything. Lord knows they’re not allowed to dance.
It’s crazy. She lost benefits over something somebody else did. I can’t make sense of it. The dogma and brining faith and religious righteousness into everything is out on hand and needs to stop
This is infuriating.
Thot patrolled
Law and Order, special THOT unit.
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Sounds like some religious bullshit.
“That I wasn’t basically following God’s ideals, […]”
Yep…
I bet you if a male student raped someone he wouldn’t withdraw the scholarship. It’s because she’s a woman. Well, not even a woman she’s just a girl.
Yeah these people are Christian, that distinction doesn’t matter.
Religion needs to be eradicated
By the will of the Emperor! Hail the Omnissiah!
Well when you apply for religious scholarships you should kind of expect this.
Jesus was friends with a prostitute. I’m sure he would be ok with some twerking.
The problem is religious nuts who take everything to the extreme .
Jesus would not condone modern day Christianity but that is not the point. Everyone knows what modern Christianity is about, and prudishness is definitely part of their ideal. If this girl applied for a Christian scholarship, she had to have known at least that much about the religion.
But a good lesson to learn from this story is stop posting anything on social media. Just live your life. If you wanna twerk, do it. No need to show the whole world.
She was in the background of the video, dancing while a different girl in the foreground was twerking. Did you even read the article? So just never go outside and dance ever because someone might record you dancing near someone else twerking and post it? Wtf kind of victim blaming is this? It doesn’t say she applied for a christian scholarship either.
Well maybe his friend was a classy prostitute.
Twerking’s demeaningly ridiculous. Like stripper, yeah, respectable. Stripping’s sexy, it’s alluring. Twerking’s just a somewhat athletically impressive display of how fast can you can convulse your pelvis.
Describing twerking as “sexy” is like someone doing a motorboat on your dick while you wag it bippidy-bippidy up and down across their lips, then trying to sell that as a passionate seduction scene in a romance novel.
I didn’t see anything in the article about her applying to a religious scholarship. Source?
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So the girl in question wasn’t twerking, it was person “friend” in front of her in the video. She was just dancing. I consider myself pretty logical in most things and this doesn’t make sense.
The person in question did not commit any offense her self based on how the news article read. If she herself was doing something that did not promote a good image it would be understandable but this was not the case.
Obviously any government action based on “promoting a good image” would violate the First Amendment.
I can agree to a certain point but as this particular scholarship is only handed to two people a year I imagine the requirements are very high and the standard at which one conducts themselves is taken into account. Never the less I do not understand and cannot condone punishing those that do not deserve it.
This girl must have worked hard for such a scholarship and to be denied what she earned for such a bizarre reason just seems petty and small.
Fuck that asshole principal.
I bet his wife caught him jacking off to the video and so he had to react like that to save face.
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What, you haven’t had to ruin someone’s life because you got caught jacking it to them?! You need to live man!
Fire that principal. He’s a bad example for students.
