Europe gives Elon Musk 24 hours to respond about Israel-Hamas war misinformation and violence on X::Thierry Breton, the European commissioner for the internal market, warns Elon Musk about disinformation on X related to the Israel-Hamas conflict.
Go EU, Go!
I’m having real hard time trying to understand what kind of “misinformation and violence” is spreading on twitter, that isn’t on other social media platforms such as right here. I wonder what even counts as “misinformation” at this point, as you can make quite outrageous but factual claims about both sides (Israeli government and hamas)
This is the most confusing conflict I’ve ever paid any significant attention to, and it feels like the more I learn, the less I understand.
I’ve been on several social median sites and ironically it seems reddit and X both have a lot of information.
Reddit had several western articles about Hamas beheading 40 babies. The upvotes and comments are extremely biased and genocidey.
The beheading 40 babies claim has be debunked but there’s still no talk about it on reddit, they’ve just chewed that shit up and run with it.
X has a lot of not farms and Indians so its very muddy trying to distinguish what type of information you’re getting.
This comment is a good example of why your “Misinformation” policing is fascist authoritarianism.
Your debunked “misinformation” was just debunked again as the images of the dead babies have hit the internet. But according to you, the original claims should have been censored as misinformation.
They are both terrible, but the thing is that Israel has a positive connection to Western governments and the Palestinians don’t. So when Hamas kills civilians it’s jihad and terror and when Israel does it, it gets handwaved or even supported.
Our media is not unbiased, no matter how much they tell you and are trying to uphold the illusion of factual correctness. We simply live on the other side of the narrative and if that is challenged, it’s called “misinformation”. Anyone thinking there is a right and a wrong side here is either a moron or has a personal stake like family or friends in the region.
The conflict in that area will never end without secularism and the chance of that happening is zero. It’s one cut of religious fanaticism versus another.
We’re talking stuff like footage for other wars, cgi, even stuff from video games
I would argue a major difference between misinformation on some place like Lemmy and misinformation on Twitter, is that Musk as owner of Twitter is amplifying this misinformation. Elon Musk frequently replies to people spreading misinfo and shouts out their accounts.
What if it was some other celebrity with similarly large following doing that on some other platform?
I don’t quite buy that explanation. Basically the same thing is happening elsewhere too but instead of it being done by a single individual it’s done by many. The end result is just the same.
I tried to trace the origins of the conflict yesterday, and I got to the Russian revolution with still no concrete answer. I figured out the reason for the Balfour Declaration and the reason why there was a Zionist movement for a Jewish state, but I have yet to figure out what factors caused the events leading to that.
24 hours for Elon Musk to replace the truth he’s said with a lie which Europe would like to hear.
Boy I hope the EU does something besides sit around with its dick in their hands.
Failure to comply with the European regulations around illegal content could result in fines worth 6% of a company’s annual revenue.
“I remind you that following the opening of a potential investigation and a finding of non-compliance, penalties can be imposed,” Breton wrote.
The second might be just talk but the first one is very much “something”.
Since Twitter lost $20 billion in value this year, he would argue that means the EU owes Twitter $1.2 billion.
Edit: Yes, revenue vs profit. I get it. It was a joke.
Since Twitter lost $20 billion in value this year, he would argue that means the EU owes Twitter $1.2 billion.
Edit: Yes, revenue vs profit. I get it. It was a joke.
Wouldn’t surprise me if that was Elon’s “strategy” here.
That’s pretty much the joke I was going for, but I guess I should’ve been more obvious……
Revenue. Doesn’t matter what they’re worth.
Revenue, not profit.
In other words - Twitter would lose even more money. And they’d lose it to people that can take it straight from their bank accounts. 6% of it, to start with.
So $0.48 of every blue checkmark would go straight to the EU.
And, IIRC the penalty is based on last years or accounting periods data, i.e, from times where they still earned money.
What about the country where those megacorps are living?
“Thierry Breton, the European commissioner for the internal market, said in a letter addressed to Musk on Tuesday that his office has “indications” that groups are spreading misinformation and “violent and terrorist” content on X, and urged the billionaire to respond within a 24-hour period.”
Sounds like it’s just a strongly worded letter.
I sometimes feel like the only person that remembers that DSA exists. It went into effect in August.
Doesn’t that only come into effect at the beginning of 2024?
If I understand correctly it’s a gradual rollout.
A bit below that it says that they’re also threatening fines of 6% of annual revenue.
You have to have revenue in order to be fined 6% of it.
6% of zero is zero.
Am I missing something? I said revenue not profit. Or is the joke that Twitter isn’t making any money anymore?
I think it hardly ever was profitable and even revenue should be quite dropping since it became X
6% of their revenue is probably still billions of dollars. Might even amount to the biggest fine ever.
$2bn in 2022 for non-US. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/twitter-statistics/
Assume 80% of that is Europe, and a 25% drop in revenue since X, is $1.2bn, then 6% is $72m. This would likely be a daily fine of about $197K per day USD, minus shifty billionaire revenue reporting.
Wow, that’s MUCH less revenue than you’d expect from a worldwide behemoth like the shithole formerly known as Twitter!
Ah so that’s why he’s tanking it
Are they gonna give Twitter more money then? /s
$2bn in 2022 for non-US. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/twitter-statistics/
Assume 80% of that is Europe, and a 25% drop in revenue since X, is $1.2bn, then 6% is $72m. This would likely be a daily fine of about $197K per day USD, minus shifty billionaire revenue reporting.
EU revenue fines are generally calculated by global revenue cause companies always try to shift the money to other countries.
Assume 80% of that is Europe, and a 25% drop in revenue since X
What’s the basis for assuming a 25%? Instead of, let’s say, a 90%?
You’re thinking of profit, not revenue
Are we sure
Twitter𝕏’s revenue is still in the positive? I don’t think direct injections of capital count as revenue.Revenue is money in before costs, so yes their revenue is still positive given they are actually charging some people positive amounts. Their earnings are quite likely negative.
Hadn’t read the actual letter. It would be interesting to know what the specific request they have is.
Time to ban Twitter and call it a day.
I deleted my Twitter at the beginning of this year. Never used it much, just followed a lot of metal bands on it. I don’t regret it for a single second. Everyday since, it’s just been one giant non-stop shit show. It’s sad to see so many still use it, but for my own good conscience, I can’t support that platform in any way. I avoid it like the plague.
I’ve only used it like 5 times to contact airlines. Their social media team seems better staffed and more helpful than the hotline. Tried using it in the early days, but the 160 char limit was a total turnoff for me. Felt like back in the 90’s with a 160 char limit imposed on text messages, and everybody using cryptic abbreviations. That almost triggered some high school PTSD. And when they changed that I was already too far immersed in other channels to get my updates to really bother trying again.
Ok, it’s been 24 hours, anyone have an update?
You gimuyd are on some wikd shit im history
He’ll fuck this up. I look forward to reading the EU’s chastising later today.
Let’s go Lonnie (you stupid piece of shit), Let’s go!
I like his new ‘defiant teenager’ style 😆
I will like him more when he, like some teenager, realizes there are consequences to his actions.
Oh no, no, don’t get me wrong, please.
I do not like him. I just like the style how he gets depicted recently, with the stubble etc.
Musk is about to learn why getting rid of the content moderation department wasn’t very cost-saving to the operation of his platform.
Musk has made it clear that this was never about money. Er, at least not about Xitter making money.
Musk is about to learn
Aren’t you an optimist.
Hah, I think you have a VERY valid point. Musk truly, and I mean TRULY DOESNT CARE WHAT ANYONE THINKS.
he cares what people think - he wants people to pay attention to him.
I’m sure he’ll learn…the wrong lesson
I’m glad that someone is fighting misinformation. What scares me, is if the right wing in the US starts trying to do the same thing. Can you imagine them cracking down on Facebook, X, etc for misinformation like the EU is doing? It would only be Biden conspiracies and pro Trump propaganda allowed. Good thing we aren’t giving our government that power.
Absolutely. We should never give the government the right to censor the Internet.
Moms of Liberty enters the chat
Who gave unelected eurocrats or billionaire techbros the right to censor the internet and decide what is “disinformation”?
The European Commission commissioners are confirmed by the EP.
If they are unelected, so is every government minister of every member state. This “unelected eurocrat” rubbish is stale disinformation.
That is the only part of the above post that is wrong, though. Governments have no business deciding what is “disinformation”, much less to censor such.
Better remove it.
They own the websites, so of course they get to censor them.
Europe gives Elon Musk 24 hours to respond
So kinda like… a Final Countdown?
