The UN and EU consider lots of things Israel does illegal. We just don’t do anything about it and they don’t care.
I guess sanctions only make sense when Israel is out of the picture.
Because they are the West’s military outpost in the Middle East A
The UN condemns Israel as a pastime activity. Nobody in Israel cares what they say at this point.
This is true. But it is also because there isn’t a much better alternative.
The Palestinians don’t have a Nelson Mandela, MLK or Mahatma Gandhi kind of person that the western world can rally around and support.
Like, I’m sitting here at home in Europe, thoroughly disapproving of Israel, while being also fully disgusted by what Hamas did.
And I understand why Palestinians fight. I can understand that they can’t be fully pacifist and that they don’t have the capability to wage a normal war, so they result to asymmetric warfare.
But if they had just cleanly killed or kidnapped the adults and spared the children, that would have been the minimum to not fully alienate a lot of people who are sympathetic to their cause.
I guess Yasser Arafat was the best they had and it only went downhill after that.
They dont need a Palestinian Mandela to stop military and civil aid and cooperation when Israel commits war crimes.
Thing also is that those people were also hated during thier time and also called terrorists. There’s no good options for a leader sadly.
But Hamas does very textbook terrorist things, seems to me like they are actually terrorists.
So were the IRA…
And yet now here we are with Sinn Fein holding elected positions.
At some point there has to be dialogue otherwise you just keep killing one another.
As opposed to the ANC? Who literally had a terrorist wing run by Mandela?
As opposed to the resistants (including many Jews) during WW2 who were literally called terrorists by Nazis ?
As opposed to the IDF that’s been terrorizing Palestinians constantly?
It’s terrorists in both sides. Unfortunately civilians are the ones caught in the crossfire.
I was alive when Nelson Mandela was active, and he wasn’t called a terrorist in the west.
He was revered as a hero by many in the West, just like Navalny is revered today.
He literally WAS a terrorist. He ran the ANC’s terrorist wing. People called him a terrorist and it was accurate.
A lot of people seem the think he was only regarded well once released from prison. I certainly didn’t know much about him until then.
Yet Only Fools and Horses was made in 1981, and they lived in Nelson Mandela House. So even in the UK we knew South Africa was on the wrong side of history. And we should know, we wrote most of it…
By some people, sure. But Mandela and the ANC were designated terrorists by Reagan’s government in 1986, and this wasn’t changed until 2008. It’s definitely untrue that he wasn’t called a terrorist in the west.Source.
By Reagan and the establishment, yes.
But many western people and institutions were definitely promoting and supporting him from the very beginning.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_honours_received_by_Nelson_Mandela
Unofficial support does not matter as much as official position recognised internationally. USA also supported Nazi Germany until USSR marched in and whooped Hitler’s twink ass.
USA also supported Nazi Germany until USSR marched in and whooped Hitler’s twink ass.
Lol fucking what? The USSR militarily supported the Nazis until they were attacked
The problem I have with the “both sides” argument is while I agree we should not approve of Hamas’ actions, Israel routinely murders civilians without consequence. We tut and tsk but we still send them basically unlimited aid and approval.
Yes both sides behave badly but one side does so with our explicit support.
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There’s a bit of a moral difference though. When you say ‘routinely murders civilians’, in a lot of cases we’re talking about protestors throwing rocks or molotovs at police or soldiers. Or when Hamas is firing missiles from a schoolyard or the roof of a hospital. Where do you draw the line where police/army/country has the right to defend themselves? Of course it creates a tense situation and Israel is going to close ranks around those who are far too trigger happy.
But there’s still a huge difference with Hamas’ stated and demonstrated goal to kill off all jews. Israel is trying to bully the muslims so that they would emigrate, but they’re not killing civilians to wipe them out (if that were the case they would be failing).
As a comparison Israel is acting more like Morocco colonising the Western Sahara and Hamas is acting like Europeans genociding the Native Americans
IDF soldiers have murdered plenty of children. It is routine and I don’t care if they are protesting, they are entitled to protest oppression.
Hamas are disgusting and Israel are cunts but Hamas is because of what Israel does.
Israel made those men kill hundreds of people at a concert. They had no other choice. Brave protestors. Do you even listen to yourself?
Yeah they absolutely did, by teaching the people that shit was normal by doing it to them for generations. Murdering civilians who are celebrating is just how they say hi, so they shouldn’t be surprised pikachu face when they do it right back to them.
Well if you casually leave out that part it becomes a lie by omission. And there’s a reason you have to use this lie both to yourself and to others. It has a whole different ring to it when you say “IDF regularly shoot teenagers throwing molotov cocktails in protest” instead of “routinely murdering children”.
Siblings Ali and Mayar ed-Din, who were killed in an IDF airstrike on May 9, 2023
Damn teenagers get younger with every cull.
Mohammed Tamimi is the youngest Palestinian killed in the conflict this year (June 2023)
Shot in the head by Israeli forces.
He was 2.
Don’t forget how Israel sells world-class spyware to despots and dictators, who use it to terrorise journalists and political opponents.
Including their supposed arch nemesis in Saudi Arabia, who used their tech to kill Khashoggi
We (the EU at least) also send a lot of aid to Palestinians.
Israel should be sanctioned and decolonized like South Africa was.
And I, for one, believe that that would have happened a long time ago if the Palestinians had followed the Nelson Mandela and Mahatma Gandhi playbook.
Perhaps I am wrong. Like the rest of the world, I also don’t have the solution for this quagmire.
Development aid, not weapons as the west supplies to Israel. But otherwise you’re right. The whole region should be disarmed.
The only way to disarm “the whole region” would be to basically level all of it and make it totally uninhabitable.
I’m not saying it’s the right move
But it would solve a whole lot of issues.
Has anyone ever heard of BDS?!?
That thought also crossed my mind.
The experiment has actually been running already. The Gaza Strip is run by Hamas, which is violent and pushes back against Israel however they can. The West Bank is run by Fatah, which has been attempting to keep good relations with Israel and work with them.
Despite that, the West Bank has seen a continuing encroachment of illegal Israeli settlers, continuing violence directed at Palestinians, both by the settlers moving in there and by the Israeli army. The reason the border with Gaza was so ill-defended was because Netanyahu had moved much of the force usually stationed there into the West Bank. Palestinian deaths in the West Bank has been rising.
I don’t think the Mahatma Ghandi approach is likely to work in the Middle East. At least no better than any other approach people have been trying has been working there.
The US sends aid to palestine as well, just nowhere near as much as we do to israel.
And there isn’t a good solution. No matter what, everybody will be mad. Mad and not violent would be nice, though.
It’s “He hit me!” and “Well, he hit me first!” ad infinitum.
The whole thing is a clusterfuck from top to bottom.
The West called Mandela a terrorist until he won and they killed MLK
So
And Gandhi was a black-hating Mussolini sympathiser.
This is the sort of thing that reminds me never to trust the accepted wisdom of internet groups.
Gandhi after being educated in England was only a little less racist then everyone else when he first went to South Africa and made the famous comment you’re referring to… He then had his awakening against oppression and began to fight for an end to racism, one of the main popular scandals against Gandhi in South Africa was that the medical corp he set up would give aid to whoever needed it first regardless of rank, colour or ethnicity. The rest of his life he wrote and fought for the rights of all.
But of course ‘popular person was actually bad’ is a fun hot take so of course it’s going to be banded around without any nuance.
The West being one single hive mind like the bugs in Starship Troopers
Oh sure, there is some factions within the West, but on the whole they agree on the big stuff. It’s why they’re all allied with eachother in the first place. It’s not a hive mind, it’s a team.
Israel’s actions are a direct consequence of what Hamas did," Borrell’s spokesman had said in Brussels earlier the same day.
Uhh, I think you meant to say “Hamas’ actions are a direct consequence of what Israel has been doing to Gaza”
By just having the power to cut water, electricity and food to other ethnic should ring you a fucking bell deep to your throat about the problem!!!
Is it UNWRA or UNRWA or are they two different agencies because wow with this article.
“Do unto others as others have done unto you.”. – Israel
That was not the best takeaway, but here we are.
Palestine cut off Israel’s water and electricity?
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Palestine imprisoned millions of Israelis for generations, bombing them every few days?
Palestine created an apartheid state?
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so to be clear, when Israel bombs schools and hospitals, when they cut off food, water, and electricity, those things should be done to Israel?
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Borrell’s words were the first direct EU criticism of Israel’s reaction to a massacre of about 1,000 Israelis
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Hasn’t this always been the case?
Israel has not been a shining example of virtue over the years. I’m not excusing the disgusting actions by the other side, where they are proved true, as some of the pictures have already been discounted, but this would only make Israel come down harder.
I don’t the have an answer, but what ever us happening now is certainly not it.
So you just want them to sit back and take their genocide laying down? Of course you do, because you don’t really support the Palestine struggle, you’re just clutching at pearls because the thought of the oppressed rising up scares you.
It is weird talking about a genocide against Israel, while they starve 2 million people.
And bomb refugee camps.
And kill ambulance drivers
Once again with feddit de users saying the literal exact opposite of what I just said and causing me to get 9 billion downvotes.
Why would anyone care about fake internet votes on meaningless comments? Weird thing to worry about.
It’s less that i’m getting slammed and more that it’s not my fault that i’m getting slammed. Someone else mischaracterized what I said and it’s completely erased what I originally intended and replaced it with the exact opposite, and that’s what people are walking away with.
It started out by you misinterpreting the other guys message, so it’s fair I guess.
if the comments are meaningless why are you reading them. If nothing here matters why are you here? go away
Not what I said at all.
Nobody wins here. Parading mutilated corpses and taking hostages is not ‘supporting the struggle’ though.
I agree that civilian death is always bad but the Palestinians have tried every course they can and they’re still being choked to death, at some point violence is self defense
I totally agree, I’m not cutting Israel any slack here - their treatment of Palestine has been awful - and if they weren’t so chummy with USA it’d be a different story. But parading mutilated corpses in the streets etc? There’s no excuse. Whatever side you’re on.
I think you are confused, Israel are the ones who are planning on carrying out genocide.
I’m not confused, that other guy was being bad faith. I even made it clear in my comment who was doing the genocide.
So you just want them to sit back and take their genocide laying down?
“Them” refers to the palestinians.
What the poster is arguing is that Israel incited the attack by years and years of oppression and forced displacement.
I don’t fully agree with that sentiment. I don’t condone the attack and blaming that on Israel alone is delusional, but I certainly will not “stand for Israel”. Genocide is not an appropriate response and the flimsy excuse of citing the recent attack as the trigger for moving forward with their long-standing plan of ethnic cleansing is despicable.
So was the blockade. and they did nothing about it . bunch of spineless hypocrites
I’m going to be real, I doubt they can even muster the will to write a strongly worded letter with the kinds of members who make up the EU.
Blocking neccesities for civiliana like water is a war crime. Encircling enemy state after it lanched offensive to yours is not, otherwise e.g. allies pushing Nazis all the way back to Berlin was also crime.
Obviously illegal. Collective punishment is a war crime and makes Israel a monster. Imagine if there was a murderer in your building and the feds blew the entire building up.
Stand up to Zionists!
https://euobserver.com/world/157534
Israel’s siege of Gaza is illegal the EU’s top diplomat has said, while insisting that European aid to Palestine will keep flowing.
“Israel has a right to self-defence, but it has to be done within international law … cutting water, cutting electricity, cutting food to a mass of civilian people is against international law,” said EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell on Tuesday (10 October).
He repeated the view more than once in his press briefing. “The Palestinian people are also suffering,” he added.
Borrell’s words were the first direct EU criticism of Israel’s reaction to a massacre of about 1,000 Israelis on Saturday by Hamas, a Palestinian group which rules Gaza.
The medieval-type Gaza blockade was announced by Israel’s defence minister on Monday.
Israeli forces have also killed some 830 Palestinians in air raids, while the UN relief agency in Gaza, UNWRA, painted a grim picture of other events on the ground.
Food-distribution centres are closed, meaning 500,000 people didn’t get food rations this week.
Schools are closed because some 190,000 people are using them as bomb shelters.
Solid waste collection has also stopped, while drinking water is being delivered by trucks for now, UNWRA said on Tuesday.
Borrell spoke to press in Muscat, where he had attended a meeting of Gulf-region ministers, as well as emergency EU foreign-ministers’ talks.
His condemnation of Israel’s behaviour came after three days of EU rhetoric that had focused on the “utterly inhuman … shocking … barbarous” nature of Hamas’ atrocities, while highlighting Israel’s rights rather than its obligations.
“Israel’s actions are a direct consequence of what Hamas did,” Borrell’s spokesman had said in Brussels earlier the same day.
Borrell’s colleague, Hungarian commissioner Olivér Várhelyi, also made it look like Europe endorsed collective punishment by tweeting on Monday that all EU aid to Palestine was being frozen.
This was not true and Várhelyi had not consulted anyone before tweeting it, the European Commission confirmed on Tuesday — but not before damage had been done.
The Várhelyi farce had prompted a “wave” of questions by Arab states, Borrell noted.
It also emboldened Israeli diplomats and some German MPs to push for wider aid-cuts and it frightened first responders.
“If UNRWA does not receive expected contributions, it will not be able to continue its life-saving service provision in Gaza and throughout the region, which would result in a humanitarian catastrophe,” Marta Lorenzo, UNWRA’s Europe director, told EUobserver.
Borrell said that “95 percent” of EU ministers took the same line in the Muscat talks, while “two or three” of the EU 27 did want aid cuts.
He pledged his staff would conduct a swift review of EU aid to Palestine to make sure no money ended up with Hamas via error or deception.
The EU commission spent €30m on water-sanitation facilities in Gaza last year for instance, as part of a wider €296m aid budget for Palestine including €97m for UNWRA.
“If, in a few years, we discover that some money we spent went to fund terrorist activities someone will have to take political responsibility for that. I don’t believe it happens, but let’s check it,” Borrell said.
Stopping aid to ordinary Palestinians would be “the best present we could give to Hamas and it would jeopardise our interests and partnerships in the Arab world,” he added.
The European Parliament helps to oversee EU spending via its budgetary-control committee.
And its 2024 EU-budget rapporteur, Romanian centre-right MEP Siegfried Muresan, also said he would consider freezing non-essential aid money if need be.
“We want to make sure that, beyond UNRWA, the EU budget does not get to any organisations which has any ties, any links to Hamas,” he said.
“If there is anything from the EU budget that we feel has to be put in question or frozen or put in reserve as a consequence of the start of this war we are going to propose a respective amendment,” Muresan added.
“On our end, it’s very hard to check for that and no funding on our end has been specifically earmarked for Gaza,” an EU parliament source also said.
Slap on the wrist at best for israel genociding desert dwellers but bringing down the hammer hard on twitter for standing out among Big Tech by being a LITTLE more “disinformation”-ey than the rest.
Where are the sanctions then?
Sanctions are for non-whites.
lets not get into are Jews white
Israelis and Zionists =/= Jews
that’s fair
I just recently learned Zionism isn’t actually a Jewish thing. Christian Zionism came before, they were the guys who did the crusades.
Russia famously being an African nation.
Another galaxy brained hexbear take lol
Slavs are schrodinger whites in the eyes of the west. They can be called white when they die in a proxy war for US oligarchs, or may become even a proud second class citizens and earn some praise when colonized by the west and bootlicking it. But when they resist? Immediate reclassification to the “asian mongolic horde” status.
