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Everyone needs to sign out on desktop if you’re using Ublock origin bypass. This whole TOS thing could be grounds to start going after your account they don’t achieve the outcome they’re looking for
Then I’ll just make another account . . . with blackjack and hookers.
All very well unless your account is also your mail email. I’m not draft enough for that to be the case, but many are.
I need YouTube like I need another barium enema.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/6089078
They explain how to make it work again with uBlock Origin
This is when you’re supposed to use the FOSS alternatives
Me personally because I don’t have a Google account nor saw a real gain in getting one (for what I do in my day to day), I just switched to these for subscriptions.
+to that. However I haven’t found proper alternative yet.
- I got so used that dump algorithm that at least 40% of times recommends what I’m actually interested at, that it feels so hard to go back to watch unordered vids
- Newer content is still lacking on alternatives. Like coding tutorials or documentaries etc.
- On the other hand I found many old forgotten internet classics on these alternative sites like old ads and funny clips that we used to watch at 240p back in the day.
Point one hits home. It’s nice that I can look through my feed but I also want to find new stuff and piped is not giving me that. I still use it in case my yt account gets banned lol
You should also start looking into libredirect, an extension to route your youtube traffic to invidious instances
I’ll look into that ^^ thanks friendo
arent thpse just frontends?
Yep, without the need of a Google acc. No shitty ads, more functionality, and they’re typically more customizable :p
I’ll be that guy and say this isn’t crappy design and shouldn’t be in this community. We’ve already got posts filling top of all we don’t need more where they don’t belong.
Unsolicited ads are implicitly anti-user, especially when they impede or interrupt access to content.
So you buy youtube premium instead? Or are you an entitled freeloading POS who shamelessly asks for uninterrupted free content? 😂
Where was this attitude when Netflix announced account sharing crackdowns? I buy premium to support the people I watch but still, what a wild comment.
What does netflix not want acc sharing have to do with youtube needing money to host their content and pay their creators? Dont like their new policy dont buy it are u looking for something to be mad about? Tf
Because they’re both doing it for the exact same reason. Netflix doesn’t want people using their service for free and neither does Youtube. Netflix didn’t have ads so they cracked down on accounts. Youtube does, so they’re cracking down on adblockers.
I was fine with Youtube locking their 4k+ resolutions behind premium but they’re slowly tightening their hand more and more to make it ‘profitable’. Hell, the queue feature is premium now. Using the app on your phone while it’s ‘locked’ is a premium feature. Things that should be free are being stuffed into the ‘premium’ package but because that wasn’t enough, they’re trying to block adblockers. Making people pay for what they were getting for free, while it makes sense from a business perspective, never goes over well. Premium is really only worth it if you want the people you watch it get paid more, everything else can be done by third party players.
Although like Reddit, they might kill those off next.
“Should be free” ? You think only 4k videos cost them money? Bandwidth and storage for lower res is free? How naive jesus
Lol yes because people are already developing third party apps with those same features for free, ya duncecap.
Also if Youtube made their site “pay to access” we’d watch it die within the month.
What kind of moron watches ads willingly? That’s some dumb shit right there I tell you what.
The internet used to be free before corporations got here.
There used to be a free youtube before google? Someone has to volunteer to pay for the site servers unless you pay them my ignorant bro. Youre always free to stop using the evil corporation sites but you want their stuff for free instead and complain about it. Get a grip
imagine licking the corporate boot this hard
Youre the one begging them for free content here, stuff costs money get a job bum
yeah sure let me just go to the job factory and pick one of the many jobs they have available…
It’s nearly impossible to find a job when you’ve got a disability.
I literally don’t have a job and host a website with 249971 requests served april-october. This shit isn’t expensive, google makes it expensive. Before YouTube we just had other websites with videos.
e: I got it wrong, it’s 525154 (valid) requests april-october with 85340 unique IPs after filtering my own.
It was never free. It was paid for and used by universities and research institutions. There was no world wide web, just gopher, ftp, usenet, chat, telnet. Any kind of advertising was really frowned upon, it was basically treated like a library. But, there wasn’t a lot to do there.
How are they supposed to pay for the infrastructure that you’re using to watch it. Do you even have a clue what it costs to run YouTube for a month? The ads keep the servers up. BTW it’s in the tens of millions a month if not more to run YouTube.
No one has a clue what it ‘costs’ because YT isn’t honest about revenue, and being a subsidiary its P&L statements can be adjusted to spread any narrative around profitability it considers useful. In the context of Alphabet its operating cost is probably negligible.
You’re already paying them data tribute through daily interaction with much of the corporate web.
I literally don’t have a job and host a website with 249971 requests served april-october. This shit isn’t expensive, google makes it expensive. Before YouTube we just had other websites with videos.
e: I got it wrong, it’s 525154 (valid) requests april-october with 85340 unique IPs after filtering my own.
Requests cost nothing, data storage and bandwidth usage do.
People upload over 500 hours of videos every minute, that’s 256.320.000hours each year. Let’s say that most of it is lower quality instead of 4K, so each hour takes 0.5GB of storage. That’s 128PB every year. Youtube overall size probably reached Exabytes in the last few years.
Their daily bandwidth usage probably ranges way into Petabytes too, something you were orders of magnitude away over the whole life cycle of your site.
Literally everyone is not listening to what I’m saying so I’ll just say it here again as clear as I can:
YouTube costs money because infrastructure costs are exponential. It doesn’t have to be that way. Host your own shit, it’s so unbelievably cheap.
I have my own live-streaming infrastructure. I have my own music streaming infrastructure. I have my own video sync infrastructure that so far has not even stuttered for people on the other side of the globe even with 30+ people watching at once. This costs jack shit to do. Spread it out. Host your own.
This is of course ignoring that corporate executive pay is insane and you could definitely cut that in half, but we don’t. We pass the costs of the fifth execute yacht to the consumers, and here we have like 5 people defending that structure as if it just has to be that way. It doesn’t. It wasn’t like that before Google started owning everything.
And yes, for the record, I am not using YouTube. YouTube currently barely works on my browser so I just don’t use it.
Do you know the enormous amount of data it takes to stream video? And how much infrastructure to have such seamless loading as youtube does, caching copies of popular videos all across the world?
yeah, this is a policy OP doesn’t like, not bad design
Ads are crappy by design. I think the spirit of the community is upheld with this post.
Well yes, nobody likes ads. But think of it this way - ads are “democratic” in a way, because it means everybody can “afford” or access that which is financed by the ads. Most websites are expensive to run and have to make money somehow to pay for itself - as much as I dislike ads, I’m not sure what the alternative would be? Should we have to pay to access each and every website? I don’t know what the best solution would be, to be hones.
Ads have nothing to do with democracy; they are forced upon us and serve no other purpose than to manipulate you into buying a product. That’s text-book capitalism for you.
Personally, as an open-source developer, I use crowd-funding to cover the expenses for the websites and software I provide. You will find no ads or tracking on my pages, and the same can be said for the majority of open-source projects.
The problem is rarely tied to cost; usually, it’s about greed and the never-ending chase for higher profit margins.
Mind you, I’m just a single individual with a single experience, but if I can find a way to get paid for my work without forcing people to watch the visual diarrhea, so can the giants like Google.
YouTube only barely breaks even as it is. What profit margins are you talking about?
In Q3 of 2022 alone, Alphabet, the parent company of Google, recorded a profit (not revenue!) of 13.9 billion USD. Their financial position is more than secure.
https://abc.xyz/assets/investor/static/pdf/2022Q3_alphabet_earnings_release.pdf?cache=4156e7f
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While this is a policy I don’t like, it’s also something that is purposely destroying the usability of the Internet. Which I think constitutes a bad design.
Even excusing the policy, the design is actually pretty shit though. We’re all just used to it so it feels default and normal.
That’s fair. I agree, it’s mediocre at best.
I’d say it’s an ok design to enforce a crappy business model
I would argue that pop-ups like this are an intentionally crappy design meant to be frustrating and get in the way. But, I understand what your saying, this is perhaps not the best suited community for this post.
How dare you inconvinience me for using your stuff for free r/choosingbeggars
King’s behaviour is typical of the lefty democrat who never had a job in his life. So eager to betray America to the democrats technocrat overlords. Disgusting.
Yeah the guy reminding you stuff costs money is the jobless one, stop projecting in my inbox bro, cringe. google bad videos free.
Note how the lefty is incapable of constructive dialogue.
You mean the guy who’s trying to watch videos for free and finger points his political beliefs if you disagree with him instead of replying with arguments? I agree with you.
Did you get your mother to write that for you?
Tbh I’m with you on this point
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Barfing for getting reminded stuff cost money LMFAOOOO
I think the difference here is I view “crappy design” as something badly made or poorly executed. What you describe I would consider to be “asshole design”: perfectly well-made, but with bad intentions. I can see why you would have the different definition though, and considering the Reddit subs had a lot of these same definition issues it’s not surprising they continue here.
I’m never going back to getting pummeled by nonsense every time I want to relax.
I literally have not seen this, I use ublock origin
I use ublock origin on Firefox and I unfortunately saw it for the first time today
Pretty sure you just have to up update the custom filter lists
Just use YouTube Premium, it’s not that hard.
So that pay with my data and my money?
But then I can’t whine about how entitled I am!
Exactly, if I enjoy using a service and there’s a paid ad-free version, I’m gonna go that route. I support the creators and understand the idea of “no free lunch”. All the whiners in this thread are freeloading moochers
I’ve paid for YouTube premium pretty much since it started being a thing and had to drop it recently for financial reasons. Simply existing these days feels like I’m drowning. The bombardment of ads and frequent notifications to come back are making me want to ditch YouTube entirely. I’ve been using YouTube in Firefox with desktop site requested to play my videos in the background and I try to use odysee as much as possible now. Their price hikes along with no recognition of how long I’ve been a paying member has really gotten to me.
ReVanced?
Pretty much this, or newpipe.
I use it but we all would praize to have a NewPipe for desktop.
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You see, if you are unable to cough up the money for one reason or another, you are not important to them anymore. It’s better for YouTube if you don’t watch than if you watch without premium, so they bully you until you leave. There is no “grace period” just because you supported them for years. Corporations are not your friends and the only thing that matters to them is infinite growth.
Best thing to do is find a few friends to split it with. The family plan gives you 6 accounts I think.
I disagree.
Once upon a time, streaming services were free, or gave you a generous amount of content for a small price.
Now, not only does everybody and their mom want to make you subscribe to something, they’re also constantly and unapologetically raising prices whilst removing features or extracting useful/necessary features and placing them in new, expensive premium tiers.
Sure, get a family plan and split, and watch them slowly raise prices to “match inflation” or some other bs excuse!
There are definitely solutions out there, and I’m sure someone will come up with a way to spoof YouTube premium or something and the war will continue.
I won’t say ‘pirate everything’, because you shouldn’t; there are definitely services out there that are worth your money. But if they’re going to play using scummy tactics then I don’t see why we can’t as well!
The amount of bootlicking YouTube premium users in these threads astonish me. Wonder how they’d feel when it’s $150+ per year and the value proposition completely ceases to exist.
Already there: it’s 11.99€/mo. in Germany. Per year, that’s 143.88€ and converted to USD that would be $151.63/year.
If you are an Apple fanboy, YT charges the Apple Store fee on-top and your YouTube Premium will cost 15.99€/mo. or, converted, $202.25/year. But no sympathy for Apple fanboys, so I couldn’t care less about that.
Subscription services are so scummy that I wonder why they are even allowed. They removed YT Premium Lite and now FORCE you to also subscribe to YT Music even if you don’t want or need it. That’s predatory and exploitative and the only reason for not giving customers the option to just pay for ad-free videos is greed. In reality it went like this: they set up an infrastructure for a music streaming service and invested money to do so. People are not interested at all in their music streaming service, so they are not recouping the cost. Easy corporate solution is to bundle the shit nobody wants with the shit everybody needs to justify an insane price hike. Ta-da!
You know that it’s totally okay for people to decide what they think is worth $150 of their own money, right?
You don’t want to use it, don’t. Or steal it if you’re cool with that. Otherwise STFU
Same sort of logic for why people cross picket lines. Sure everyone is entitled to do what they want, but it hurts the rest of us.
I’m digging NewPipe.
this is asshole design
Please explain.
Only ever watch YouTube via SmartTubeNext. Ad free for free. Fuck you Google.
I use Firefox and have uBlock Origin installed. I block ALL cookies from YouTube and Google and other Google sites. I am not signed into any Google properties and I have not seen an ad for over 10+years. I never use an app or mobile and use only a desktop on Linux.
Google will not win over products like uBlock Origin because, it’s NOT an ad blocker, it’s an element blocker. It allows the user to remove annoyances, and that sometimes includes ads.
The only way Google will get to force ads on people is if they REQUIRE you to sign in to it’s services and force cookies on you. It will have to be a walled garden. Meta, Xitter, bluesky, reddit, will all eventually go to the walled garden because they are greedy. Users will leave and the Fediverse will grow.
People are fed up with ads and all the “improvements” that sites like YouTube make. Ambient mode, auto play, end cards, notations, all unnecessary. And we block it with element blockers.Reads like https://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html
Do you leave the house? Or just take your desktop with you?
I don’t need to watch videos when I’m not home. And I prefer a real screen.
I was thinking more about the fact you’ve not seen an advert for 10 years.
They’re on every site these days not just videos. Perhaps you just meant video ads.
I use Firefox & uBlock Origin, it stops ads everywhere. I won’t use a computer that does not have that installed. I see no ad on any site of any kind.
It’s really not difficult at all to avoid almost every single ad, just use ublock origin in your browser (use firefox on android to be able to use ublock origin on mobile), and use newpipe on your phone for watching youtube videos.
I do use ublock on my pc but still see some ads.
On my phone in iOS but I use NextDNS which gets rid of a lot of ads. So much so that if I search for X and you get the shopping results I have to turn off NextDNS to be able to follow that link.
But I still see ads.
I don’t think the Fediverse can really provide an alternative to YouTube. The infrastructure required for the amount of data constantly being served and processed is prohibitly expensive.
Maybe not today, and never at the scale that YouTube is right now (that’s not a bad thing), but never say never.
5 years ago no one saw a psychopath buying and actively destroying Xitter.
Technology changes quickly. It won’t be long until 10TB HDDs are standard fare, 8G is everywhere, electric cars are 40% of the market etc.
Anything is a possibility and humans get smarter and more innovative. I know this because humans can carry a small computer in their pockets.I agree. I think a big part of this move is that they know that YouTube isn’t going to last for too much longer as the only service that does exactly what they do because it will be soon be profitable for many others that don’t have the same level of scale and backing by Alphabet. This is a cash-out.
All it takes is 1 developer to add video support to lemmy, and make videos defederalized, then we could have different videos in different communities, we could have video-only communities, and those would be youtube-like.
I don’t think code is the main problem here, it is the money to invest in the server space and bandwidth for it.
And that is all neglecting the platform effect. People are on YouTube because the stuff they want to watch is there and the stuff is there because there is an audience. Because there is audience, people are willing to dump their marketing budget there. Because there is a revenue split of these marketing budgets, people are there publishing stuff. And so on and so on.
You can have the greatest platform from a technical point of view. If nobody is publishing good stuff, nobody will care.
Not to forget the moderation problem. You would effectively need to verify each video for bad stuff, copyright infringement, or risk getting sued for noncompliance.
Are you saying that it costs a lot of money to setup a video streaming service that stores terrabytes of data? From what I hear that should all just be free!
Bluesky is slowly gaining more users after multiple Xitter announcements. Xitter is going to be Netflix of social media.
If only we had to pay for the service, the service was good and we had our privacy. We pay to pad googles shitty anti consumer, anti free internet pockets, so they can make the service worse and they data mine everything.
Terabytes? Youtube should be in the Exabytes by now.
ADs might become forced onto everyone with this:
That’s where you’re wrong. Firefox market share is dropping month on month for the last decade with no sign of turning around. Blink is forcing Manifestv3 soon which doesn’t support many features uBlock Origin needs to work effectively. Sure, other Chromium forks claim they’ll continue to support v2, but we’ll see if that lasts after Google removes the code and they have to actually maintain Blink for the first time ever. None of the forks (except maybe Edge) have the engineering staff to keep up with rebasing against Blink.
That just sounds exhausting, to be honest.
It reads like copypasta to me lol
They really think this will work, don’t they?
If you’re using an ad blocker, they don’t want your business anyway.
Who the fuck is clicking ads anyway? It feels like an entirely made up industry that just generates its own Revenue somehow.
They get money just for showing ads.
No. They get money for clicks.
No.
https://www.youtube.com/intl/en_us/howyoutubeworks/product-features/monetization
Advertising revenue is generated when people watch ads that are running on videos. This revenue from ads is shared between YouTube and the Creator - thus empowering Creators to directly profit from their work.
Companies pay money to Google for showing ads to you.
Wow thanks for your incredibly detailed explanation genius
You’re welcome. I wanted to contribute with the common sense that Google still earn money from ads even if people don’t click on them.
All it does is move the goalposts over to “why are companies paying for ads that aren’t getting clicks”.
Do you click tv ads? So maybe clicking isnt necessary to make ad money, genius
You watch TV? With ads? Uh OK grampa
I was simply explaining the concept of ads to you, good job looking stupid
👍 thanks gramps
tfw gramps has a better grasp of technology than u
I’ve had this thought before too. Like, someone somewhere must be clicking on these ads but I’ve never met them. The closest I’ve found is my dad who clicks on the google search ads (before I blocked them for him) but he isn’t exactly an active internet user. He might open youtube once a month for one video when hes trying to fix something. Noone is making much ad revenue off of him.
A large chunk of advertising isn’t to get you to buy their products right that second. The goal is brand recognition so when you are ready to buy the products, you think of them first.
Like, why does Coke still need to advertise? Literally everyone knows what they sell.
It sadly probably will. At least for the majority of users that either don’t know or can’t be bothered to circumvent it.
Hey google give me your stuff for free or fuck you!!! 🤬🖕
I figured there were enough dumbdumbs still watching ads that it didn’t matter a whole lot if I didn’t watch any. I’m still not getting ads so this change hasn’t affected me yet. Still, fuck YouTube anyway.
They don’t make the videos on their platform.
They just host them and thats free thank you contrarian
They wouldn’t have anything to host if not for creators making desirable content. They don’t treat their creators with any amount of respect and they expect to make money off of work they didn’t do. And creators have no say as to whether or not there are ads on their own work, like it or not daddy YouTube will put an ad on that video and make money from it.
If YouTube wants me to watch ads they need to work on that. Oh, and they need to do a better job about what kind of ads they allow on their site.
You care about creators getting paid yet u dont buy youtube premium 🤔
Yup. I don’t want my money going to YouTube. Instead I support the creators I like via Patreon or buying merch. Did you think giving money to YouTube was the only option?
How are you complaining about youtube treatment if u pay patreon instead ?? Obviously they have to force ads on your creators if u dont pay them instead, how thick are you lmfao
Also “They expect to make money off work they didnt do” ? They pay for hosting and bandwidth, people upload 500 hours of video per minute on youtube, you think thats free? Youtube kids so simpleminded istg
Patreon exists because of YouTube underpaying people. I’m not sure how you think calling me stupid is supposed to help, and I’m not sure why you are so adamantly defending a multi-billion dollar company. You know Google isn’t your buddy, right?
