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I saw this, hit the X to close that pop-up and continued on as usual. Just me?
AFAIK they start counting strikes after a while. After 3 of them, you are banned off Youtube. Edit: I was wrong. It just disables video playback.
Don’t login then.
Didn’t happen to me yet. I’ve clicked off a bunch.
That seems unlikely. I can see them blocking you as long as they detect ad block but not banning account / IP wise. It would lead to many non-tech people to be banned without understanding why and those are majority of their viewers who are easiest manipulated into watching ads.
No, what happens is that a timer is added before you can click the X to close the pop-up. If you continue to close it, video playback will be locked until you disable your ad-block (or circumvent the detection).
The X works fine for me. Great design.
this is asshole design
Please explain.
I’m never going back to getting pummeled by nonsense every time I want to relax.
Fuck google, don’t give them a cent.
I’ll be that guy and say this isn’t crappy design and shouldn’t be in this community. We’ve already got posts filling top of all we don’t need more where they don’t belong.
I would argue that pop-ups like this are an intentionally crappy design meant to be frustrating and get in the way. But, I understand what your saying, this is perhaps not the best suited community for this post.
How dare you inconvinience me for using your stuff for free r/choosingbeggars
Tbh I’m with you on this point
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Barfing for getting reminded stuff cost money LMFAOOOO
King’s behaviour is typical of the lefty democrat who never had a job in his life. So eager to betray America to the democrats technocrat overlords. Disgusting.
Yeah the guy reminding you stuff costs money is the jobless one, stop projecting in my inbox bro, cringe. google bad videos free.
Note how the lefty is incapable of constructive dialogue.
You mean the guy who’s trying to watch videos for free and finger points his political beliefs if you disagree with him instead of replying with arguments? I agree with you.
Did you get your mother to write that for you?
I think the difference here is I view “crappy design” as something badly made or poorly executed. What you describe I would consider to be “asshole design”: perfectly well-made, but with bad intentions. I can see why you would have the different definition though, and considering the Reddit subs had a lot of these same definition issues it’s not surprising they continue here.
yeah, this is a policy OP doesn’t like, not bad design
Even excusing the policy, the design is actually pretty shit though. We’re all just used to it so it feels default and normal.
That’s fair. I agree, it’s mediocre at best.
Ads are crappy by design. I think the spirit of the community is upheld with this post.
Well yes, nobody likes ads. But think of it this way - ads are “democratic” in a way, because it means everybody can “afford” or access that which is financed by the ads. Most websites are expensive to run and have to make money somehow to pay for itself - as much as I dislike ads, I’m not sure what the alternative would be? Should we have to pay to access each and every website? I don’t know what the best solution would be, to be hones.
Ads have nothing to do with democracy; they are forced upon us and serve no other purpose than to manipulate you into buying a product. That’s text-book capitalism for you.
Personally, as an open-source developer, I use crowd-funding to cover the expenses for the websites and software I provide. You will find no ads or tracking on my pages, and the same can be said for the majority of open-source projects.
The problem is rarely tied to cost; usually, it’s about greed and the never-ending chase for higher profit margins.
Mind you, I’m just a single individual with a single experience, but if I can find a way to get paid for my work without forcing people to watch the visual diarrhea, so can the giants like Google.
YouTube only barely breaks even as it is. What profit margins are you talking about?
In Q3 of 2022 alone, Alphabet, the parent company of Google, recorded a profit (not revenue!) of 13.9 billion USD. Their financial position is more than secure.
https://abc.xyz/assets/investor/static/pdf/2022Q3_alphabet_earnings_release.pdf?cache=4156e7f
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While this is a policy I don’t like, it’s also something that is purposely destroying the usability of the Internet. Which I think constitutes a bad design.
Unsolicited ads are implicitly anti-user, especially when they impede or interrupt access to content.
So you buy youtube premium instead? Or are you an entitled freeloading POS who shamelessly asks for uninterrupted free content? 😂
The internet used to be free before corporations got here.
It was never free. It was paid for and used by universities and research institutions. There was no world wide web, just gopher, ftp, usenet, chat, telnet. Any kind of advertising was really frowned upon, it was basically treated like a library. But, there wasn’t a lot to do there.
How are they supposed to pay for the infrastructure that you’re using to watch it. Do you even have a clue what it costs to run YouTube for a month? The ads keep the servers up. BTW it’s in the tens of millions a month if not more to run YouTube.
I literally don’t have a job and host a website with 249971 requests served april-october. This shit isn’t expensive, google makes it expensive. Before YouTube we just had other websites with videos.
e: I got it wrong, it’s 525154 (valid) requests april-october with 85340 unique IPs after filtering my own.
Requests cost nothing, data storage and bandwidth usage do.
People upload over 500 hours of videos every minute, that’s 256.320.000hours each year. Let’s say that most of it is lower quality instead of 4K, so each hour takes 0.5GB of storage. That’s 128PB every year. Youtube overall size probably reached Exabytes in the last few years.
Their daily bandwidth usage probably ranges way into Petabytes too, something you were orders of magnitude away over the whole life cycle of your site.
Literally everyone is not listening to what I’m saying so I’ll just say it here again as clear as I can:
YouTube costs money because infrastructure costs are exponential. It doesn’t have to be that way. Host your own shit, it’s so unbelievably cheap.
I have my own live-streaming infrastructure. I have my own music streaming infrastructure. I have my own video sync infrastructure that so far has not even stuttered for people on the other side of the globe even with 30+ people watching at once. This costs jack shit to do. Spread it out. Host your own.
This is of course ignoring that corporate executive pay is insane and you could definitely cut that in half, but we don’t. We pass the costs of the fifth execute yacht to the consumers, and here we have like 5 people defending that structure as if it just has to be that way. It doesn’t. It wasn’t like that before Google started owning everything.
And yes, for the record, I am not using YouTube. YouTube currently barely works on my browser so I just don’t use it.
Do you know the enormous amount of data it takes to stream video? And how much infrastructure to have such seamless loading as youtube does, caching copies of popular videos all across the world?
No one has a clue what it ‘costs’ because YT isn’t honest about revenue, and being a subsidiary its P&L statements can be adjusted to spread any narrative around profitability it considers useful. In the context of Alphabet its operating cost is probably negligible.
You’re already paying them data tribute through daily interaction with much of the corporate web.
There used to be a free youtube before google? Someone has to volunteer to pay for the site servers unless you pay them my ignorant bro. Youre always free to stop using the evil corporation sites but you want their stuff for free instead and complain about it. Get a grip
imagine licking the corporate boot this hard
Youre the one begging them for free content here, stuff costs money get a job bum
I literally don’t have a job and host a website with 249971 requests served april-october. This shit isn’t expensive, google makes it expensive. Before YouTube we just had other websites with videos.
e: I got it wrong, it’s 525154 (valid) requests april-october with 85340 unique IPs after filtering my own.
yeah sure let me just go to the job factory and pick one of the many jobs they have available…
It’s nearly impossible to find a job when you’ve got a disability.
Where was this attitude when Netflix announced account sharing crackdowns? I buy premium to support the people I watch but still, what a wild comment.
What does netflix not want acc sharing have to do with youtube needing money to host their content and pay their creators? Dont like their new policy dont buy it are u looking for something to be mad about? Tf
Because they’re both doing it for the exact same reason. Netflix doesn’t want people using their service for free and neither does Youtube. Netflix didn’t have ads so they cracked down on accounts. Youtube does, so they’re cracking down on adblockers.
I was fine with Youtube locking their 4k+ resolutions behind premium but they’re slowly tightening their hand more and more to make it ‘profitable’. Hell, the queue feature is premium now. Using the app on your phone while it’s ‘locked’ is a premium feature. Things that should be free are being stuffed into the ‘premium’ package but because that wasn’t enough, they’re trying to block adblockers. Making people pay for what they were getting for free, while it makes sense from a business perspective, never goes over well. Premium is really only worth it if you want the people you watch it get paid more, everything else can be done by third party players.
Although like Reddit, they might kill those off next.
“Should be free” ? You think only 4k videos cost them money? Bandwidth and storage for lower res is free? How naive jesus
Lol yes because people are already developing third party apps with those same features for free, ya duncecap.
Also if Youtube made their site “pay to access” we’d watch it die within the month.
What kind of moron watches ads willingly? That’s some dumb shit right there I tell you what.
I’d say it’s an ok design to enforce a crappy business model
If they manage to kill ReVanced I’m done with YouTube. I’ll subscribe to Nebula or something.
Use Invidious! No ads, no username required, no reporting to YouTube, Sponsorblock can be used, and you still get unlimited access to YouTube’s content. There are dozens of instances, but inv.tux pizza usually works for me.
I know that Nebula has exclusive infotainment, but sometimes I just want to watch people be bad at video games.
I feel like this might be blasphemous around here, but I actually like being logged in and getting tailored algorithmic suggestions on YouTube. Unlike most people it seems to know my interests pretty well.
Same. I really like my newpipe, but the sheer amount of unfiltered fuckface influencer bullshit videos ‘currently trending’ on it’s frontpage is more disgusting than any algorithmic youtube bubble will ever be.
These frontends need to introduce a preferred-startpage feature that enables setting Subscriptions as the default. I’d be interested to know from others if there’s any technical hurdle, because I’m surprised it’s not already available.
I’d dig a integration of youtube subscription manager.
Most Invidious instances allow you to sign up for an account on the instance to subscribe to people and track your history. Alternatively, I use the FreeTube app on computers I control for “watching TV”. It can track and transfer your subscriptions and history locally if you choose to use those features.
I still get recommended videos next to watched ones from both services. For those who see that as a negative, I think FreeTube allows you to hide any YouTube elements you don’t want to see.
Oh? Maybe I’ll look into it then. I’ve found some of my favourite channels from suggestion in my feed.
I had one warhammer video autoplay and now all of my recomendations and autoplayed videos are warhammer videos. I have no interest in warhammer.
I have autopay disabled which probably helps. I also use YouTube too much so it quickly picks up when I never tap a video of a certain topic.
you can go onto your youtube history, search for that video and remove it from your history, and it will stop influencing your recommendations.
every now and then i watch a video about a topic i’m not really interested in except for that one video, and then had to remove it from history.
It doesn’t do that for me, it’ll sprinkle related videos in my suggestions but overwhelmingly my suggestions stay similar to what I had before and I just scroll past the videos I am not interested in much and marking uninterested on anything which I’ll never watch
I’m with you on this one. Although it seems like a slippery slope, I’d like to see some of the alternatives give you the same sort of algorithm (on an opt-in basis of course)
Checking this out based on your recommendation and I already like it. Simple, no bullshit, and is similar to use to something like NewPipe but for desktops.
yeah i found it this morning entirely because of the ad block thing (i actually don’t ad block YT because i want to support creators, but i hate that now that’s not a choice, so i’m making the last remaining choice available)
I would love to support the creators I watch through youtube but they all get demonitized for bs reasons. That’s the only reason I don’t actually buy premium. It’s not the cost, it’s just that none of the money would actually make it to the people I watch.
There’s other alternatives to vanced as well. Not at many bells and whistles, but still better than Google.
NewPipe? I’m glad it exists but it’s not really comparable to the experience I want. Great for downloading though.
newpipe ftw
This is less “crappy design” and more “asshole design”
What’s the reason why you think this is an asshole design? I can think of two:
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Advertisements in of itself is a blight on humanity
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They have a dominant market position and it’s almost impossible to compete.
But, these two things aside?
Ads on YouTube–like everywhere else on the web–became so obtrusive that it’s nearly impossible to view anything while still having all those ads. They’re making their content unwatchable for anyone who can’t pony up for a subscription.
I’m not the one you responded to, but I’ll say why I think it’s an asshole design:
- They have a dominant market position
- They have encouraged people to not just put fun videos on the platform, but to put critical life-saving videos there.
- Like videos on how to perform CPR
- Or videos on how to save someone who’s choking
- At first, they had few ads, or ads that were always skippable
- Now that they have a near monopoly, they’re adding more ads, and making more of them unskippable.
- To watch a lifesaving video, that was posted at a time when there were no real ads or all ads were skippable, you may have to watch a series of 30 second ads.
Then there’s the fact that virtually every video requires ads before you view it, when you might only need to see 10s of the video to know that it’s not relevant. Putting multiple ads before you’re allowed to see those 10 seconds is an asshole move. Then there’s the sheer quantity of ads. The last time I tried to watch a few music videos without an ad blocker I think it was at least 25% ad time.
Removing the ability to skip is also a major asshole move. The whole justification for skippable ads was that consumers wouldn’t skip ads that were good and relevant. If the advertiser was doing their job and making good ads, and YouTube was doing a good job and finding the right audience for those ads, then in theory the ads wouldn’t be skipped. If an advertiser was upset that users were skipping ads, YouTube could push back and say that either their ad sucked, or that they had mistargeted the ad. Now they seem to be admitting that their ad targeting is bullshit, or that they don’t care if the ad isn’t relevant to the user, the user has to watch it regardless.
But, most of this hinges on the enshittification happening once the platform has become a monopoly. If YouTube only had a 20% market share, asshole moves would push people to competitors. But, the key thing is that they lost money or barely broke even until all their competitors had folded, and then they started making things worse.
/r/assholedesign refers to user hostile design. Ads are generally unwanted and def unwanted if the person has an ad blocker. Putting a nag pop up is inherently user hostile.
But, these two things aside?
There’s definitely more but why are you implying these two things aren’t enough?
Nope. Straight up just wondering if there was more to it that I wasn’t catching.
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I literally have not seen this, I use ublock origin
I use ublock origin on Firefox and I unfortunately saw it for the first time today
Pretty sure you just have to up update the custom filter lists
I need YouTube like I need another barium enema.
Only ever watch YouTube via SmartTubeNext. Ad free for free. Fuck you Google.
Just use YouTube Premium, it’s not that hard.
So that pay with my data and my money?
But then I can’t whine about how entitled I am!
Exactly, if I enjoy using a service and there’s a paid ad-free version, I’m gonna go that route. I support the creators and understand the idea of “no free lunch”. All the whiners in this thread are freeloading moochers
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/6089078
They explain how to make it work again with uBlock Origin
I’m somewhat surprised it took so long after they took over YouTube.
Might cause some surprising competition hopefully
Who is going to be competing for the eyeballs of people who militantly refuse to watch ads? I’d love to see YouTube have competition, but I don’t think the demographic here is particularly valuable to anyone.
Same with lemmy. Who cares about us? Seems to be working somewhat tho.
Issue with videohosting is filesizes, bandwiths, and the gigantic archive.
That’s why I said surprising competition: no, it wouldn’t be from a big typical tech company.
I think you’re wrong on the value of the demographic: there are definitely ways, sectors etc where a small group of relatively tech savvy, ad-hating, very critical, neckbearded, moob carrying people is more valuable than a large mob of typical yay-saying consumers. I’ld even say it’s the kind of niche demographic that made reddit big in the first place.
Yeah, I feel like this is all very cyclical.
The status quo is acceptable so people use it. It works well enough and it’s practical enough that the majority of the user base sticks with a given standard, which creates momentum/inertia: the more accepted a given platform becomes the more content creators cater to it, which in turn draws and keeps more traffic.
Owners of the platform see this and monetize. It’s not bad at first but eventually greed gets the better of everyone, and they keep pushing and squeezing, usually both the base and the creators, for the privilege of playing in their playground, the defacto “place to be”… without consideration of the fact that their playground only holds that status because of the very people they’re squeezing.
Eventually they push it too far, and people start to jump ship as the enshittification finally tips their scales away from the status quo and makes finding an alternative the more attractive choice, even if it means giving up the positive aspects of the established platform.
Sometimes it can take a while but eventually one or more new platforms emerge as the new “place to be” and the cycle begins again.
Unfortunately, rather than learning from past mistakes and simply being less greedy and understanding that they need to find ways of generating profit that doesn’t alienate their creators and viewers, instead the lesson learned seems to be ‘try to find ways to trap users in your system so they can’t leave’…which never is going to work.
The ol Trust Thermocline.
That’s a great read. Thanks for sharing.
Really wonder what game company he was consulting. My bet is on Pissazrd or EA
You know what annoys me the most about this?
I looked up the price of Premium. It’s not great but not too bad either. I hate subscription services so I thought “I’ll just buy the annual plan”
Google doesn’t offer the Family Annual plan in my region. Only Individual Annual.
Fucks sake Google! If I’m trying to give you money, the least you could have done is make it easy!Hey google give me your stuff for free or fuck you!!! 🤬🖕
They don’t make the videos on their platform.
They just host them and thats free thank you contrarian
They wouldn’t have anything to host if not for creators making desirable content. They don’t treat their creators with any amount of respect and they expect to make money off of work they didn’t do. And creators have no say as to whether or not there are ads on their own work, like it or not daddy YouTube will put an ad on that video and make money from it.
If YouTube wants me to watch ads they need to work on that. Oh, and they need to do a better job about what kind of ads they allow on their site.
You care about creators getting paid yet u dont buy youtube premium 🤔
Yup. I don’t want my money going to YouTube. Instead I support the creators I like via Patreon or buying merch. Did you think giving money to YouTube was the only option?
How are you complaining about youtube treatment if u pay patreon instead ?? Obviously they have to force ads on your creators if u dont pay them instead, how thick are you lmfao
Also “They expect to make money off work they didnt do” ? They pay for hosting and bandwidth, people upload 500 hours of video per minute on youtube, you think thats free? Youtube kids so simpleminded istg
Patreon exists because of YouTube underpaying people. I’m not sure how you think calling me stupid is supposed to help, and I’m not sure why you are so adamantly defending a multi-billion dollar company. You know Google isn’t your buddy, right?
I figured there were enough dumbdumbs still watching ads that it didn’t matter a whole lot if I didn’t watch any. I’m still not getting ads so this change hasn’t affected me yet. Still, fuck YouTube anyway.
