Rolling coal is the practice of tampering with a vehicle’s emissions control system, causing it to spew black clouds of sooty exhaust.
But the LIB’s got owned, didn’t they… fucking losers
Not sure it’s specifically eBay that should get the fine here, it should be the sellers ON eBay.
Agreed. Nobody wants the eBay police, but sellers and buyers should be the ones held accountable.
Yes exactly. No online platform can catch 100% of prohibited activity. They are punishing the wrong people. What they should do is get a list of all the ones eBay missed, file charges against the seller and start knocking on buyer’s doors. Or maybe send some agents in an undercover Prius to pull them over and issue a fine when they get coal rolled. That would send a pretty clear message that eBay is not a safe place to purchase these items.
so, you are right and wrong, due to the structure of the American legal system those DIRECT at fault are fines/sued first, then they are supposed to turn around and file a suit for damages against the next party down the line, so eBay should sue the seller.
same thing in motor vehicle incidents, if a car A and B are waiting in traffic and car C rearends car B to the point it hits car A, the man in car A is supposed to sue the guy in car B who then sues the guy in car C for damages
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well, it’s how the law works
So ebay, who profited from the sale of these devices, shouldn’t be held accountable?
Did ebay stop any listings for these devices? It seems like if they were trying to stop this market, they would have stopped some number above zero, right?
Try selling a human limb on ebay and see how quickly your listing is removed, not that I’m bitter or anything.
edit: it kinda seems like they were trying to be compliant.
If someone sells cocaine on eBay does ebay get fined? How about illegal porn?
You’re responsible for what people on your platform do.
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And that’s hardly a good thing either.
While you’re right, they do also have extensive KYC checks in place for this reason.
Here I thought the modern internet is able to exist because platforms specifically are not responsible for what its users do.
Sort of. They essentially have to be given the opportunity to take corrective action but if they don’t then they get fine. Or indeed other things depending on the severity of what’s happening.
See Reddit and all the subs they were eventually forced to shut down.
To a point, I suspect that applies to speech things, not necessarily physical items.
But that’s a good question, I don’t know where the line lies.
the line lies where you start harming other people (and their habitat), that’s literally the definition.
your freedom ends where my freedom begins
Hmm. While I agree generally, your response seems a little vague. Definition of…? Freedom?
I’m saying I wonder where, formally, a company goes from being an information platform, to something else. That’s the very point at which ebay started becoming liable for what people did on their systems.
They’re not just hosting pictures, they’re selling real-world items to circumvent laws in a visibly annoying way. People in CA get away with uncovered high intensity off-road aux lights because nobody’s really abused them.
Coal-rollers like being obvious, stinky dickheads, hence the crackdown on both sales and installations.
Yeah but what if I’m an idiot redneck then other people aren’t allowed freedoms. Only me.
It’s illegal for imgur to host illegal images I can see why eBay would be responsible for people selling illegal items.
Imgur hosts the images vs eBay only hosts the information, the sellers ship the product to the buyer
Hosting is hosting and images are information.
big thing about Ebay is they often also process the transactions
Very good point.
Imgur has to take down the illegal image when requested to do so. Imgur isn’t charged for having a user upload an illegal image.
This is the part that bothers me too. Assuming they haven’t been asked to remove them already that is.
Fuck it, hit 'em hard. Been buying off eBay for 20-years, I like 'em. But this seems like a fine place to put our collective foot down and say, “No. You can’t do that.”
I was shafted by an Ebay seller who was nasty and awful. He acted like he was too stupid to understand why his item was not at all what I ordered. He had a 99.4% approval rating. I thought how the hell was that possible? I found out when I went to leave my negative rating and Ebay would not allow me to post the negative rating.
I used to use them all the time, they’ve been super shitty for about 10 years now. They don’t even show up in my searches anymore because I won’t buy from them. Come to think of it, neither does Amazon, he he.
I’d think that would make eBay complicit in any scams they block negative reviews for.
A seller shipped me a phone that was much worse than what I bought, and it wasn’t even the same brand. I returned it. However, the seller wouldn’t ship the right phone but still had the listing saying several were available. I couldn’t leave a negative review, which makes no sense, and I reported it to ebay, but as of yet nothing has happened to the seller that I can tell.
It’s really disappointing. I want an Amazon alternative, but it’s tough if I’m going to have to go through this crap.
The alternative to amazon is just ordering direct from aliexpress, not buying used schlock on ebay.
There’s gotta be a better alternative than AliExpress for US consumers.
yeah, shop locally.
Is this sarcasm? Half of the shit I get on aliexpress isn’t available anywhere else. Or if it is, it costs an order of magnitude more when buying from US reseller, who is just marking up inventory they bought from aliexpress.
Ah. So no alternative then. Got it.
I use Swappa.com for all my used electronics. Been buying and selling randomly from them for years. They are starting to get big enough to have sellers that refurb stuff which kinda sucks. When they were smaller and only had normal people selling their extra/old equipment was much better.
We might just have to do without an alternative. I haven’t ordered off of Amazon probably 5+ years now, and it’s fine.
They should probably go after Amazon as well.
This has got to be this most pathetic chapter in the American saga.
Fun fact. My workplace added recycle bins to the breakroom a few years ago. The day after, HR had to call a facility-wide emergency meeting to explain that their use was voluntary only and that no workers would be required to use them.
Grown ass adults lost their shit because they saw a recycle bin.
Stop it. Are you serious?
Yes, I am serious. Folks around here can be aggressively reactionary and will blow up over nothing (or what should be nothing).
I moved to this area about 12 years ago. I wasn’t expecting some huge culture shock, but there it was. I had educated, millennial colleagues who were openly homophobic at work. I could go on with a list of grievances, but it just feels like piling on and I don’t have the option to get out.
JFC I’m sorry things are this way. That is crazy.
And this is why homeschooling and hate speech should be illegal, and assault legalized against certian people
If they market them as intentionally modified, then probably criminal case can be opened against them.
- [x] Intention
- [x] Health hazard for others
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Even as a car guy and a pro-ICE cars, I agree 100% with this. These rolling coal trucks are just cringe, and literally a waste of fuel. I can’t say I care about the climate but I also hate the ones who fuck the climate as much as 50x the amount a normal human does, on purpose just because “fuck the climate”.
You sound like a terrible person.
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Just out of curiosity, what makes you not care about the climate? Is it some sort of fatalistic “we got 20 good years left, so might as well enjoy them” kinda deal?
Can we please actually enforce the rules on drivers though? These are so obviously illegal yet nothing is done.
Not many federal emission police out there to enforce it.
Cops pull people over for having something hanging from their rearview mirror. I would think they’d love to be ticketing people for having these things.
Some of those that work forces… roll coal?
Some of those that work forces
are the same that burn fossils
It’s a federal emission standard though, not a state one. It’s only illegal to do in New Jersey, Maryland and Maine. Every other state once you own it, you can install these devices, or do a EGR delete entirely if you want to. In states that do emission testing on private vehicles you’d want it to be reversible of course.
Cities have emission standards. Police could try harder if they wanted to.
It also fits the bill for reckless driving because it is operating a vehicle while being aware of and consciously disregarding the risk that it may cause harm to others while being a significant deviation from a reasonable person’s standard of conduct. I mean, their intent is clearly to create a bunch of thick smoke as they installed a device for the sole purpose of creating thick smoke, people cannot see through thick smoke, stupid games stupid prizes call in the flatbed
That’s true, beyond the health and environment aspects, they’re obscuring visibility. While some people I talked to said “it’s not toxic bro!” and they don’t believe in climate change, they can’t deny it obscures visibility.
Meanwhile In other countries they do just that
I don’t speak German but I’m guessing they’re ticketing/impounding vehicles that have modifications which violate emissions. Sometimes US cops to that to street racers… the problem is that’s because the average officer doesn’t like kids who modify Asian cars but they basically are the same demographic who would modify a truck.
As long as we’re talking about that, the street racing and ‘sideshow’ thing is pretty out of control too. I’d be happy to see them step up enforcement on that bullshit.
I’m from Europe, but can’t local police enforce federal laws?
Yes.
No, they can’t unless the federal government specifically deputize the local cops, which would effectively make them federal police temporarily
Right the whole states’ rights thing
They can.
Not true, local cops can arrest someone for a federal crime. For example, lately some PDs have decided to start enforcing immigration laws.
Not American, but isn’t that a state by state decision, though?
States and local PDs can decide on policies, ie which crimes they want to arrest and which they will let the federal government enforce. For example some states have a policy of not enforcing federal marijuana laws. But this is just a matter of efficient use of resources. They always could arrest someone for a federal crime.
I see
Local police barely enforce local laws
Also true
Those vehicles should be impounded and converted into cubes on the spot by roaming hydraulic presses.
Ideally with the drivers inside
Good. Why not ban those oversized SUVs while you’re at it? They’re a serious danger to children and they’re not even good at hauling stuff!
Because the government is bought and owned by the car industry (as well as 20 other industries) yaaay!
The US is just three corporations in a trenchcoat pretending to be a country
Hard agree and also, because I love them but don’t hear them getting nearly enough shit alongside us, Canada is just a resource extraction megacorp masquerading as a country.
DOJ infringing on my god-given rights to own the libs per usual
The libs are owned by my blue flag!!
That is fantastic news seeing as the EPA won’t do shit when you send them video.
Send it to your local PTA. might be more effective.
If you rolled coal expect to be held down and repeatedly kicked in the crotch at the inevitable climate induced apocalypse.
Can you imagine the CIA hunting down climate terrorists the same way Mossad hunts down Nazis in South America?
People who drive those stupid fucking lifted trucks from the thumbnail regardless of whether or not they rolled coal will probably be next in line.
Fuck yea, take ebay for all their worth and publish the customer logs so we can deal with the customers the old fashioned way.
so we can deal with the customers the old fashioned way.
With the judicial system?
Yea totally that.
SPAM and robocalls?
If by SPAM you mean hurling salty meat chunks, and by robocalls you mean the T-1000 making a house call.
Dial 9x19 for more information.
Isn’t “rolling coal” slang for gay sex?
as a gay man, not as far as i’m aware
and if you’re trying to make a joke because the people that do this are likely homophobes and would hate to be associated with gay sex, i’d ask please don’t… that, in itself, is unintentionally homophobic because it implies gay sex is derogatory
Yeah, I suppose you’re right, but it would have been so satisfying to play back their own insecurities.
As a non-gay man, I got a huge kick out of all the gay guys taking back “proud boys” a few years back
It doesn’t, but to them it is.
Using their insults against them doesn’t make you smarter than them, it makes you just like them.
Don’t be like them. Don’t sink to their level. It’s not a good place to be.
No it doesn’t.
Sorry I wasn’t intending on implying that. Meant to make the homophobes the butt of the jokes (and a slight inspiration from Arrested Development’s “shoveling coal” although it doesn’t mention being gay at all, just an implication of a sex act). The people who roll coal don’t care about doing things for the right reasons, so maybe they’ll do the right thing for the wrong reason (don’t roll coal bc they don’t wanna be gay). Worked for roller blading (although ofc there wasn’t anything wrong with that)
You know I appreciate the fact that you made a joke and it didn’t land and instead of getting upset or responding negatively, you addressed it appropriately. I think that’s one thing that I really love about this place versus reddit is that it actually feels like a bunch of adults having a conversation.
That’s pushing coal.
Does it mean USSR was gay sex country?
Context: in USSR coal mining was honorable job
Oh yeah, Russians love pushing coal. You know all those Russians that Putin has had killed over the years, poisoning, shot out of the sky, stuff like that? It wasn’t because of political reasons, they were his ex lovers.
His ex lovers have huge mansions and all that stuff
If anyone is curious some states have a number you can use to report it. I keep it in my phone contacts and when I see it I tell them the license plate number.
The article had a video and I could only stand watching it for a couple of seconds. It started with a Russian sounding guy saying they were going to show why a Prius is dangerous to the environment. Then, they showed people laughing as they rolled coal at electric car drivers.
Is that their argument? “Electric cars are dangerous to the environment because people driving electric cars make me spew tons of smoke into the atmosphere”?
What’s next? “You recycled your can. That’s bad for the environment because that forced me to spill this toxic waste into a playground. All those kids got sick and it’s all your fault for recycling!!!”
