Israel’s military has informed the United Nations that the entire population of northern Gaza should relocate to the southern half of the territory within 24 hours, the U.N. spokesman, Stéphane Dujarric, said late on Thursday night, adding that such a movement — involving over one million people — would lead to “devastating humanitarian consequences.”
“The same order applied to all U.N. staff and those sheltered in U.N. facilities — including schools, health centers and clinics,” Mr. Dujarric said.
The U.N. was told that the marker dividing the north from south was Wadi Gaza, the statement said.
The U.N. Security Council is scheduled to hold an emergency meeting on Friday afternoon in a closed consultation format
So uh… When is the U.S. and Europe going to withdraw support for Israel? I mean, genocide doesn’t seem very in vogue nowadays, you know…
There also is the sentiment of killing refugees at the borders or let them drown. That seems to be getting more and more popular in Europe
And the US!
Wait for China to get there first. China doesn’t actually give a shit about these people, but if they choose the moment well they’ll make the US look like the baddies, and then the Europe/USA will be stuck: withdraw and look like a fool on the world stage or stay put and support genocide.
they’ll make the US look like the baddies
As if they aren’t already… our gov’t has been supporting Israel while they terrorize Palestine for decades.
They will.
Soon.
Just like they stopped selling weapons to Saudi Arabia when they were found to be blowing up buses full of civilians in Yemen.
I mean, it would be hypocrisy otherwise.
Right?
RIGHT???!!
If anyone else getting worried about WW3?
America is going to be split in 2 conflicts. Now is the perfect time for China, North Korea, and any other enemies to make advances on territory they want.
Soo, trail of tears in Gaza?
- Create excuse, 2. Retaliate (defend), 3. Expand. Conquest 101
Someone needs to stop these vile fucks. Israel is going to kill millions if left unopposed.
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Right. Killing thousands of civilians just to resolve a conflict that was escalated for some reason from both sides.
There’s only one noble side to be on in this, and that’s the side of civilians and humanitarians.
If you’re ever on the side of someone who is killing civilians, your brain made a left turn somewhere and your side is probably just as valid as the extremists on the other side.
Think about it. The only thing separating you from being the same monster you accuse those other ppl to be is being born on a different clump of earth.
Don’t forget there’s a lot of civilians in that 1million+ people.
And given that the average age in Gaza is 18 with 65% being under 24, that’s a lot of children as well.
Genocide is bad.
I think your rationality is lost on a fascist
muh everyone who disagrees with me is a fascist
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People who openly applaud genocide are probably a tad bit fashy.
Genocide is bad.
Sure I feel sorry for the civilians but I am not going to support terrorists and none of this would’ve happened if it weren’t for Hamas
Still not the fault of the civilians nor is it justified in any way.
Is giving civilians a warning to move south somehow not justified? Would you rather have them massacred with no warning?
It is well known that those are the only two options. Also, the problem here is that the task is not possible, according to UN personnel, not me or you. So this feels a lot as just a way to create plausible deniability by saying “we tried hard to spare civilians”.
Well yea I’m glad there was at least some sort of warning, but how do you move over 1million people in 24 hours and where? But how does telling civilians to basically leave their homes to be destroyed justified? First they cut off necessities of life now they’re telling them to get lost.
it was always the plan at one time or another.
there is method to their provocation.
It sure is justified “in any way”. Not being justified at all would’ve looked like this:
- Palestinians do nothing
- Israel attacks
We all know this is not how it went down.
As far as I’m concerned the vast majority of the population (considering that over half is quite literally 18 years old and younger) did not do anything. Palestine =/ Hamas.
Time and time and time again. It has been shown that moral bombing does not work. The sort of organisation that would do what Hamas did would not stop because some of their civilians get hurt or killed. Steamrolling the gaza population to get to hamas will just create an human catastrophe that will likely inspire more violence and instability in the region. As painful as it is de escalation is the right move forward.
It has been shown that moral bombing does not work.
That’s why they’re invading. They spent the last 20 years using limited amounts of force to respond to Hamas’ provocations. 20 years where gaza has the 1967 borders, zero settlements, zero internal checkpoints, Jews evicted at gunpoint; everything that should be required for lasting peace.
And after all that time and effort, they get the elderly, inform, children, toddlers in peaceful communities executed en-mass. Rockets built by tearing up electric, sewage and water utilities and impoverishing it’s citizens, fueled by fertilizers stolen from it’s citizens, paid with money stolen from it’s citizens.
If it’s not clear that an Israeli pullback to the 1967 borders won’t be effective now, it never will be.
“limited amounts of force” 😭😭😭
20 years where gaza has the 1967 borders, zero settlements, zero internal checkpoints, Jews evicted at gunpoint; everything that should be required for lasting peace.
You’re a fascist idiot if you sincerely believe that, but just so nobody falls for your bullshit, there was an opportunity for peace with Hamas once. It was 2012, where a ceasefire was signed, and one of its condition was the lifting of the blockade. Around that time, the West Bank government and Hamas started working towards creating a unified government and seriously pursuing peace. Everything Israel would’ve welcomed if it wanted peace. Well what happened?
The Israeli government vehemently opposed the unified government, calling on Mahmoud Abbas to choose between “peace with Israel or peace with Hamas”. They also didn’t lift the blockade. Naturally, because people don’t like being tricked, and really don’t like living in open-air prisons, Hamas resumed its attacks and the whole thing fell through.
Everything that should’ve been required for peace, gone to waste because Israel didn’t want peace.
Everything that should’ve been required for peace, gone to waste because Israel didn’t want peace.
Bullshit. Realizing that Hamas was tearing up it’s own infrastructure to build rockets and refusing to stop the blockade during. A period of regular rocket attacks doesn’t mean it didn’t wasn’t peace. 2012 was the “we cease you fire” ceasefire era.
You don’t feel sorry for them you asshole. You just posted that it was a good thing they died up above.
What’s wrong with you?
It’s insane how with all holocaust talk Israeli have no issues applying the same tactics. Cognative dissonance, religion and nationalism just triumphs over logic huh.
Yup. Who gives a fuck about lives when one side’s imaginary friend says the other’s imaginary friend is wrong
Literally people killing each other over fairy tales.
Oh, and because Israel stole their land.
Considering how much money both Israel and Arab worlds have you’d think the land wouldn’t be much of an issue, right? Instead of building the Line UAE could literally save every single Palestinian like that.
The thing is they both want this conflict. Israel - some dirt country in the middle of nowhere - is making so much money through this war and Intel industry that they place right there with world economies. Arab world has an enemy that distracts people from literally being slaves to the most oppresive government and religion. Nasty people all around.
Thinking about this region is just so depressing that I’d simply ignore all news if it was practically possible.
Why should the Palestinians have to leave their own land? So what if the UAE has all of that money
*which are technically the same imaginary friend as Islam also is an Abrahamic religion!
This is bone chilling. I haven’t read a headline in a while that’s struck the fear of God into me like this. They need to be talked out of it. I worry they’re about to do something even worse than the Hamas attack, and that’s really saying something.
I worry they’re about to do something even worse than the Hamas attack, and that’s really saying something.
Bro they’ve already done that with their airstrikes actively engineered to increase, rather than decrease, civilian casualties (I can provide examples if you’re curious). Now they’re going full Holocaust.
This all increasingly makes that horrible Hamas attack kinda look like a false flag event
This just seems unlikely to me. But I do believe the Iranians funded and assisted with the planning of the attack.
I get the feeling that Hamas was maybe even a little surprised by how successful the attack was. Which has brought about a reprisal even they didn’t see coming.
Why would Iran do that? What do they gain?
After the debacle with the “beheaded babies”, I’m going through and evaluating every claim that’s been made. The mistake that was made before the Iraq War - the public failing to hold the government’s feet to the fire over claims about weapons, war crimes, etc., to make sure they had a basis in reality - unfolded into somewhere near a million deaths. That kind of failure can’t ever be acceptable.
Even if it is, speculating about that without any solid evidence just makes your argument seem weak imo.
Bad things happen and there are those who are more than willing to take advantage of those events. Doesn’t matter if its tsunamis or genocides: there’s people looking to exploit the situation for their own gain and have the power to do so at the suffering of huge numbers of people. That doesn’t mean resort business owners are making artificial earthquakes.
K thanks mom, but what’s for dinner
They did not need to, they created a situation where this was bound to happen, and then they just followed the mantra: Never let a good crisis go to waste.
Maybe not false flag but I absolutely believe they let it happen on purpose. Netanyahu and Co have been setting this up for years after creating hamas and making sure they were the only governing body that could exist there.
This is the final step to their plan to “solve” the Gaza strip problem. A sort of… final solution I guess?
We’ve heard the iron dome touted as one of the most sophisticated defense systems for ever… yet the attack happens, and it just… does nothing?
Yeah, no. The IDF let this happen. Israel let their own citizens get slaughtered so they would have an excuse to terrorize Palestinians.
I’ll agree qith the other user, you chose a poor example here.
The Iron Dome isn’t magic and intercepting rockets is not a fully solved problem. It’s usually able to intercept something like 90% of incoming rockets that it attempts to intercept. Part of its design is an ability to evaluate how dangerous a rocket is by judging where it is going to land, and it ignores those that it expects not to land in populated areas. During the crisis in May 2021 there were about 4,000 rockets launched over the course of a week, and the Dome managed about 90% of those. 400 rockets hitting targets is obviously still a lot of damage. But the thing is, the difficulty of intercepting each individual rocket goes up if you have to deal with several at once, and this current round of rockets may have been as many as 5,000 in one day. If Iron Dome takes x seconds to deal with one rocket and each rocket flies for 5x seconds, then launching 10 rockets at once means that the Dome just hasn’t got time to deal with them all before they land.
That doesn’t say anything one way or the other about foul play. But it’s not weird that an advanced anti-rocket system was overwhelmed; that’s just one of the known ways to defeat a system like that.
Ding ding ding
Time for a genocide. And no one’s going to stop them. Fucking hell.
Some of my friends have suggested that there might not be a Gaza to fight for independence for in a few years. I didn’t believe them, but now it definitely looks more possible…
And who’s fault is that? Hamas gave Israel the perfect excuse to do so and with good enough PR.
Israel’s. They literally started all of this with decades of oppression and violence.
Can you tell the diffrence between Hamas and random Palestinian children?
Ever heard of Child soldiers?
You’re a terrible person
And who’s fault is that?
… the people doing the genocide?
Israel has fed the growth of Hamas in an effort to tear apart the Palestinian state. Also, Israel has been annexing Palestinian land, and Hamas always follows this with terrorism. There are no good sides in this conflict and nothing that is happening is a surprise. Civies are fucked.
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Arafat chose terror in 2000 instead of the offered Palestinian State - this is the path those Palestinian „Leaders“ chose.
A tiny group within a population of over 2 million.
Honestly what the fuck are comments like this supposed to mean? You think they deserve to be slaughtered, down to the last child, because of what a small extremist group form the same region did? You know half the people in Gaza are under 18?
Do you think they all voted for this? Hamas took control after netanyahu created and funded them to destabilize the Gaza strip, this is a known fact that they’ve basically admitted. He made sure they were the only governing body that could e, ist so they could excuse anything they wanted to do to the gazans they keep in an open-air prison.
I hope the FBI or whatever the equivalent in your country is keeps pro-genocide people like you on a watch list.
59% of the “innocent” civilians supports Hamas.
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Israel is responsible for the rise of Hamas. They destroyed secular movements and funded Hamas in the early days.
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If you were in a concentration camp with no hope of a life worth living, would you not support the only people fighting back?
Its like constantly tripping someone trying to stand up and then when they get angry you use it as an excuse to beat them.
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And who’s fault is that?
Hamas brain washing, just look at their propaganda.
You’re in favor of genocide for people supporting Hamas? Give your head a fucking shake.
No, I’m just saying a two state solution is clearly no longer posible and Israel warned them to leave.
Why can’t Israel leave?
Because they won?
No, you said, “59% of the “innocent” civilians supports Hamas.”
The scare quotes around the word innocent imply you think they’re not innocent.
a tiny group
Afghanistan: glares pointedly
To be clear: It is not my intent to be an Al Qaeda or Hamas apologist in any way, shape, or form with that comment. I am simply pointing out the parallels to a situation that had my government chasing some sort of dragon for over twenty fucking years and burned an absurd quantity of resources and blood for pretty much fucking zero long term gain. Like, there wasn’t even any oil. It was all just fury, spite, and nebulous sentiments of revenge and “justice”. I grew up with that. That was a large part of the background of my adolescence. That’s a weird thing. We should acknowledge it as a weird thing. Don’t do that to a generation of your kids, Israel. It’s bad for them.
then you should.know better and warn your allies against such action.
I just want to add that the last time they were even able to hold an election was 17 years ago, so the majority of people there now obviously were not old enough to vote back then.
While the Demographia report found Gaza City isn’t as packed as the world’s most dense cities, including Dhaka, Bangladesh, which has over 80,000 people per square mile, it’s more crowded than global cities, such as London, and three times more dense than Los Angeles, the most population-dense area in the US, according to the report.
They’re telling 1.1 Million people to move in 24hours in an area more dense than LA or London. In an area without power, fuel, or food.
They know it can’t be done and they don’t care. The rhetoric coming out of their government is pure genocide talk. One of the military guys got furious that anyone cared about Palestinian civilians.
I hope the US doesn’t support this or stay silent. We need to have the balls to stand up to allies when they’re in the wrong. The world said “not again” to the holocaust and now regularly looks the other way, and it’s time countries stop letting this shit happen.
Never again! Except for Tibetans, Uyghurs, First Nations in boarding schools/their forced sterilization, the Khmer Rouge, Pakistan/India/Bangladesh, North Korea, Rwanda, all the genocides by the Soviets, Bosnia…
Hundreds of millions of lives ended prematurely…
I agree with the overall sentiment, but some of these mentions are not accurate and imo devalues the importance of such important accusations (e.g. since when was NK genociding anyone?)
They run camps that are comparable to the Jewish camps during WW2, the only difference being that they’re doing it to themselves…
Evidence? Beyond “A guy said that a guy said that…”
Are you seriously questioning the existence of North Korea’s concentration camps?
https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Prisons-of-North-Korea-English.pdf
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/23/asia/north-korea-torture-prison-report-intl-hnk-dst/index.html
https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/asa240012011en.pdf
“Never again” is a phrase I learned in religious school as an American Jew, in the context of the contemporaneous genocides of WWI and WWII, and the genocides that were occurring in the 90s. I understand you’re pointing out the hypocrisy of the Israeli government, but don’t forget there are a lot of us out here who recognize genocide for what it is.
Never again is what was said after WW1, I’m not pointing out the Jewish hypocrisy, in pointing out the global hypocrisy.
there are a lot of us out here who recognize genocide for what it is.
Yes, but we don’t have seats at any of the tables where that matters.
Well, it can’t because congress is non functional.
You know the US won’t. The gov’t is too far up it’s own ass and only sees numbers. Israel is profitable to us, and money is the only thing anyone in power gives a shit about. They don’t care that we’re dealing with terrorists, as long as the terrorists make them money.
Hurricane evaculations over days are a mess even with power, fuel, and food…
The chaos with the with the evacuations is that everybody’s driving in the same direction, and in Palestine, people don’t have any vehicles.
They do actually! A journalist was talking about it on Radio-Canada earlier today, he’s visited twice since 2017 (having come back a couple of weeks ago) and noted the contrast between fairly recent cars and horse carts using the same streets!
Yes, it’s the vehicles that are the problem and not a bunch of panicking people who don’t know where to go or what to do.
I’m sure threat of imminent death at the hands of people who think they’re baby-killers is probably not affecting them at all.
Come on man, use some critical thinking and context here. He clearly is not saying that cars some kind of an issue here. He was making an idle point about traffic jams in the US with hurricane evacuations and how that doesn’t apply in this situation. He’s not even making a value judgement on anything here.
They made a direct comparison. They placed blame on how vehicles are the main issue, and how Palestinians dont have them.
Maybe use some critical thinking skills yourself.
Who did? I was responding to someone who brought up that issue, so my response was related to their point and my comment was mostly intended to focused on how the lack of certain resources could negatively impact those who are dependent on those things.
Otoh, the the difference in travel modalities makes a big difference in what problems there are and my comparison to hurricane evacuations obviously lacked in that respect. It’s only natural someone would point out that limitation of my comparison.
1million+ people on foot in a war zone all heading in one direction on war torn infrastructure will be a disaster even without cars.
Don’t forget that the shelling has already been going on for awhile now.
And all that assumes you’re actually physically capable of walking to the safe zone
Or fuel, remember, they don’t have water, food or electricity.
True… probably actually a benefit that they don’t have cars as they’re less efficient than just walking. But for those who physically aren’t able to walk for hours straight (depending on how far they need to go), some alternative mobility is needed.
Fuck off with your anti car bullshit. This isn’t the time or place.
Nah dude, they have a point actually.
Ive lived through an evac or two thanks to some years spent in Florida during hurricane season.
A standard car is limited in the ways it can travel, it needs road or something approximating road so that it can travel without destroying the wheels, tires or undercarriage. If you put too many cars on a road there’s only so much distance that’ll be travelled in a period of time. Similar to a DDoS.
Walking on the other hand, well people can really just walk anywhere. You don’t need roads you just need a decent set of footwear and it’s difficult for walking to get backed up because you can just walk around someone.
Flying off the handle because someone pointed out that cars aren’t universally useful? Don’t think it’s the time or place for that tbh.
Telling someone to fuck off isn’t flying off the handle.
Yeah so uh… a bunch of people are gonna die in 24h :(
Important note to those unfamiliar with the geography when reading this: the part of the Gaza Strip they want evacuated includes the entirety of Gaza City, the most populated city of the Gaza Strip. They are ordering the migration of 1.1 million people into smaller towns and cities to the south, to empty Gaza City. In 24 hours. This would be disastrous even if it was possible. But there are countless factors making it not possible for people to just pick up and leave, much less in 24 hours, including that the primary hospital of the entire Gaza Strip is in the evacuation area, and is full of injured victims of the bombings the IDF has already undertaken. They have also bombed the caravan on primary roadway people are taking out of the city, according to several news sources
They have also bombed the caravan on primary roadway people are taking out of the city, according to several news sources
Fwiw the video that Hamas themselves released shows an explosion that is very much not a missile or artillery. It has a large orange flameball, doesn’t leave a crater, leaves windows on the vans intact.
This was most likely a propane IED of which Hamas are known to use. Or a tragic accident (trucks propane tank exploding).
What would be the point of this from a non fucked up standpoint? It’s not like that would help them get the fuckers who did this. All I can see is that they want to destroy everything if Palestinians somehow could completely comply. The fact that they can’t just means Israel wants to kill a bunch of people who are unable to get out.
What would be the point of this from a non fucked up standpoint?
I think the bad and good reasons can be true at the same time. Plenty of others list the bad reasons. For the good reasons:
- it is unlikely Hamas could evacuate its weaponry, rocket stockpiles and other supplies in 24 hours undetected
- so some will be flushed out at which point they can be engaged
- others will remain, so having the civilian population leave - even if not completely - it’s the best way to reduce collateral deaths and give Hamas as little time to prepare as possible
- hostages area likely being held in the north, hence the time pressure to separate as many civilians as possible and isolate Hamas
- the crisis would be less of a crisis of the Arab nations actually stepped up to help but none of them want anything to do with Gaza Palestinians…
- finally (up to you if this is a good or bad reason) Israel may well intend to bulldoze every building in North Gaza to deny its use to Hamas and it’s obviously safer for the population to not be there when it happens. This may increase the chances of the UN / Egypt creating a viable refugee camp inside the Egyptian border which may well be Israel’s end game
Israel warned them though. So it’s totally fine if they commit genocide.
Obviously anyone who hasn’t evacuated is aligned with Hamas and is staying to fight. Obviously anyone running once the ground invasion starts is cowardly Hamas soldiers that are running away from the righteous power of god’s chosen. Obviously some of the ones fleeing go away, so carpet bombing the rest of the territory we told Tom to go to is necessary to make sure this doesn’t happen again.
Big fucking /s
Israelis are narcissist to disgusting levels. They think that showing some morality when it costs them nothing and being absolutely fascist in other cases is how moral societies behave. They think they are a moral society.
And “the world” supports them, while after the bombings of Gaza which have already took place they should have gotten some internationally approved missile strikes on their cities in addition to Hamas ones.
I mean, they really are confident that for such a massacre they can kill 10 times more people and be in their right. I really hope Hezbollah is preparing for something big so that they didn’t get the wrong lesson from all this.
Based on social media the last week. Your comment isn’t obviously sarcastic any more. It’s just sad how horrible people are. And so many.
There was a video called something like “IDF destroys Hamas commando’s house”
This building was 12 floors. Nobody can convince me some random-ass Hamas grunt owned all that.
Seems it’s OK to kill dozens of families as long as you do it from two miles up. This is just revenge.
By the end of next week I doubt Gaza city will even exist.
Didn’t they use that same excuse to take out the Gaza Hospital? People are going to be looking at Israel with a new set of eyes when this is over.
Last time Israel invaded they spent significant time destroying tunnels. It’s dangerous work that leaves them exposed, so the less people around the better.
I think that’s the point
Destroy the houses and then take the land. They are speeding up what they have already done since the beginning.
It would require movement of all people out of hideouts. Meaning hostages would be visible by surveillance. So they end up cleaning home by home, minimize civilian victims and those that do remain are either hiding or they have to move civilians through surveillance. Win win.
Absolute madness.
Looks like they don’t want to give Hamas time to move their weapons. Whoever came up with this method should be celebrated.
It will force Hamas to give up on hunkering down with their human shields. This counters that, and gives the human shields a chance to escape from the death cult.
A very slim chance. 24 hours is very short notice, and the circumstances make it very difficult to relocate so many people.
It defeats the purpose if you give Hamas time to organize. Getting rid of Hamas ASAP is the surest way to minimize civilian casualties.
The surest way to minimize civilian casualties is to not drop any bombs.
The incursion has been withdrawn, the threat has been contained as much as it can be. Any bombing now is pure retaliation. Any disablement of Hamas strength won by this will be only temporary and will be restored in a few years with more anger, all at the cost of civilian lives.
If Israel truly only cares about protecting Israeli lives, they’d establish a line, start rebuilding the fence with better surveillance and start negotiating for the release of the hostages.
It makes some sense from a military perspective to destroy certain enemy positions. Centres for command and communication. Missile launch sites, missile workshops, storage facilities.
Yes, Hamas is probably already very good in adapting to strikes on these, and the infrastructure will be rebuilt in a few years tops. But if that means less missiles fly into Israel for a few years, it could make sense militarily.
It is a dilemma this infrastructure is interwoven into a civilian, urban area. Whatever you do, someone will have good arguments to blame you.
Of course, the surest way to avoid [Palestinian] civilian casualties is to not drop any bombs. But since that also means Hamas will have it easier to make and send new missiles, or plan and launch new border raids, not dropping bombs does not maximize [Israeli] civilian safety.
I’m aware this conflict is way more dirty than it may sound here.
“gives the human shields a chance to escape from the death cult” is a WILD way to describe how millions of civilians suddenly have less than 24 hours to move south (where? Who cares?) lest they get absolutely bombed to fuck.
The alternative clearly wasn’t working. Any time they telegraphed a bombing, Hamas would force them to stay in the building to die so useful idiots would keep criticizing Israel for the death toll.
Now there’s no excuse.
Tunnels. Hamas will be fine. The ground invasion is going to be insane.
Ground invasion would be a meat grinder. Israel would rather bomb it into ashes before they fight house to house in Gaza.
The bombings the past few days were targeting tunnels. The penetrating explosions can be identified with tall, narrow plumes of dirt.
Is tunnel another euphemism for Palestinian child?
Yikes.
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where the fuck should they go
