Some Walmart employees say customers are getting hostile at self-checkout — and they blame anti-theft tech::When Walmart’s anti-theft self-checkout tech alerts an employee of a missed scan, it can cause some uncomfortable situations.
Seems like i have a complete different experience of self checkout here in Germany. But why? Are our devices newer?
No we just care less about theft. The German ones are build to maximace speed and therefore usability. This theoretically makes it rather easy to steal.
If this would become to much of a problem they would also reduce comfort to increase security
The experience in the US sounds entirely different than even in Canada.
I think it’s an indication of the state of the US. People don’t steal for fun. Maybe some do, but not in quantities that put an armoured security guard at checkout.
In Finland, we’ve been getting handheld scanners in a few shops where you scan and pack while you shop, and then pay everything at once. The “theft prevention” is very infrequent random checks where they ask to rescan three items to see if you paid for them.
It feels like stealing would become really common, but it’s been a few years and they are just installing more of em, so I guess not.The U.S. has these as well.
We are talking about Earth, not about Finland. We are still lightyears apart.
The supermarket I use here in the UK has an app that uses my phone’s camera to scan the barcodes on items. Same as the handset, but I don’t have to pick up a handset that’s been handled by another disgusting human.
As a rule, it’ll only trigger a “Quality Check” if a couple of products don’t scan first time. Then it’ll trigger a check for the next couple of shopping trips. Assuming I didn’t miss anything, after that it’ll settle down and almost never require any verification unless I’ve bought age restricted items.
If I’m doing any weekly shopping, I will always use the app, because it’s SO MUCH QUICKER.
Is it really? I imagine, paying a Person for every checkout must be way more expensive than some higher theft rate.
Same Czech Republic and Slovakia. All the stores have now majority of sell checkout registers. People prefer them. No issues with them.
There is usually one person assigned to 6-8 of these that is watching and making the corrections.
It cut the waiting time significantly.
No, in Germany sellers truly want SCOs, while Wal-mart just doesn’t want to pay employees.
Some machines use scales to measure the weight of items, scan one item, put it in the “bagging area” (scale), repeat. Many stores have disabled scales because they’re buggy and don’t catch thieves, who learn that to steal, don’t put items on the scale. Now, stores have employees watch and offer “technical support”. “Oh, ma’am, I think this item may have been missed. Let’s check. Do you need help with how to scan items?” I don’t try to steal, so don’t find the machines to be a problem.
In Sweden we usually have a self-checkout alternative where you acquire a wireless scanner when walking in, scanning when picking from shelves and put it directly in shopping bags.
At checkout, you just pay and walk out. There is random controls, where an employee will check like 5 randomly chosen things from the bags. This is seldom though, like once every three/four months or something.
Makes for very quick checkout.
You force me to check out my own groceries. Fine.
But don’t get pissed when I have a lot of groceries and have to move my bags because you gave me one square foot of space to bag everything. That’s often my biggest frustration. The robot thinks I’m trying to do some shady stuff, and I’m not.
Maybe it’s just Colorado but the only store I’ve been to that had weight verification was a King Soopers (Kroger in other states)
Honestly, those weight systems are so easily defeated, I don’t even get the point. Anything that is measured by unit vs weight can easily be stolen.
I use reusable bags. I have to be very slow and deliberate getting the bag ready in the bagging area or it’ll flag me.
I use reusable bags too, I first scan and rest the products on the weighting area, and after paying quickly introduce all the products into my bag. It takes a bit longer but it’s way less problems for the workers and me, and it’s still faster than going through the regular checkout.
Same for me.
This isn’t about the weight sensors, it’s using “computer vision” to detect you didn’t scan something and forces employees to get involved.
All the Walmarts I’ve been to have the bagging area weight sensors turned off. It seems the local grocery store finally turned theirs off because using a reusable bag used to set it off.
Yeah, I got pinged twice, in one visit because I moved shit around, trying to organize.
Way more false positives, in my opinions.
The ‘robot’ isn’t the problem. This design is intentional and human made. Here in the Netherlands self checkout is the norm, even in very small grocery stores. However, it’s super easy and not frustrating at all, because the stores TRUST their customers. The self checkout is super simple, you scan a product and put it on your bag, or backpack or whatever you have. No need to weigh the scanned products or anything. Nothing overcomplicated.
Now there are some control measures, but they are designed in a way to not be too intrusive or create unnecessary frustration: First, most places have a gate at the exit that only lets you leave by scamming your receipt (or if you go paperless, you scan your membership card on your phone). Also, some places do random inspection. But that’s frustration free too - a worker comes up to you with a hand scanner, scans like four or five random items of yours and leaves. Boom, done.
However, it’s super easy and not frustrating at all, because the stores TRUST their customers.
lol, I’ve been at the Albert Heijn near my hotel 3 times and 3 times I had to have my items rescanned. Maybe it’s because I’m not blond and tall?
most places have a gate at the exit that only lets you leave by scamming your receipt
That would be unlawful detention here. Also, what about people that go in and decide they don’t actually want to buy anything after all?
Fun fact: You can ignore the receipt checkers at wal-mart in the states. They have no legal authority to require you to stop. Costco, on the other hand, since it’s a membership club, can.
I did that last time I went to Walmart for something. Long line of people waiting to show their receipts and I just walked out.
That would be unlawful detention here. Also, what about people that go in and decide they don’t actually want to buy anything after all?
It’s not like you’re trapped… you can just walk out if you want, but doing so without paying and carrying full bags may raise an eyebrow with employees. Although I think I could easily get away with that in my small village supermarket during quiet hours when nobody is paying attention.
Costco can stop you from leaving either. They can however revoke your membership for breaking the terms. But if you not longer care about you membership you ignore them like the Walmart checkers
Yeah, you can’t trust Americans. They’ll steal your own land out from under you and Rob your grandma and call it good business sense. Saying this as an American.
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Also, some places do random inspection. But that’s frustration free too
Yeah, I’m gonna disagree with that. They’ve recently ramped up those checks because of increased theft due to inflation. They also scan more items now. After having been checked 4 times in a row and them completely emptying my bag each time, I no longer use the self checkout.
Jeez where do you live?
NL as well. Maybe it’s because it’s a big city, poor neighbourhood, more theft, I don’t know, but I’m done with it.
Sounds frustrating, sorry to hear that
Thanks, it really was. I had happily used the self-checkouts for years before that, so it’s a real shame.
However, it’s super easy and not frustrating at all, because the stores TRUST their customers.
A third of these are people who are either disabled or in medical crisis. They’re marked “funny”. And this is where you go for entertainment? Well, when people tell you who they are, believe them.
One week in NL and I’m wondering what we’re even doing over here.
We’re accepting white the Nordic countries are fiercely xenophobic. It changes the game quite a bit.
NL is neither a Nordic country nor ethnically homogeneous. Just like all countries with a history of colonizing other people, many of those people are now in NL. Stop blaming everything on diversity
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I don’t blame them
If we shop at chain grocery stores we’re self-checking (and destroying local businesses). If we buy from Amazon we’re supporting billionaires and destroying local businesses. If we shop at mom&pop stores we’re paying too much for less in an age of inflation. Good luck getting everything you need from side-of-the-road vegetable stands (who skirt tax and have no liability). We can’t win.
Normalize leaving your groceries in the cart and leaving the store, and finding another store that doesnt make you bend over backwards to pay for your shit.
and finding another store that doesnt make you bend over backwards to pay for your shit.
Not so easy in a small town where the big box stores have killed local business.
The only real outcome from that is to make underpaid employees have to put all your shit back.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Retailers broadly are facing increasing theft and have responded by locking up merchandise, warning investors of major losses, and implementing new technology to help combat the issue.
In 2019, Walmart introduced computer-vision technology at its registers to reduce inventory shrink, a term retailers use to describe merchandise losses from theft, fraud, error, and other causes.
Employees overseeing the self-checkout stations can monitor the registers from mobile phones and, in the case of issues, pause the machines to prevent customers from checking out.
The employee, who has worked at Walmart locations for over two years, said the self-checkout technology caught many customers off guard — particularly when they saw that the registers flagged them and then played back a video on the machine’s screen showing them scanning items.
“It was personally uncomfortable for me to notice somebody purposefully not scanning an item,” said Dominick Haar, 20, a recent newly former Walmart employee who worked self-checkout in a store in Southern Illinois.
“I think it created a lot more stress for the employees, not to mention customers that just want one-on-one personal conversation when they go to the store,” Leroy told Insider, referring to the self-checkout machines.
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One time I went to wal-mart and at self-checkout there was a security guy (with a bulletproof vest…) with the employee. I don’t know if he was there to look intimidating to potential thieves or to protect the employee from violent customers, but I did not like the feeling of him watching me scanning my items. Am I a customer or a potential profit-loss theft for wal-mart? I fucking hate that company…
If you hate it so much, show it with your wallet. Shop elsewhere.
That’s pretty hard to do if you live in an area that only has the one store near, and even then; would the multi-billion dollar company really care if it gets like $1200 less per year from a single customer?
As for your first point, you’re right. If the local business scene is non-existent, then there’s little one can do.
As for your second point, well, that’s not the point. If OP says he hates Walmart so much, and he has a choice, then shopping elsewhere would be good for him.
Plus even if $1200 won’t break Walmart, well, at least that’s $1200 OP isn’t willingly and reluctantly giving to them.
I’m cool with checking myself out I actually prefer to but the anti theft nonsense is to much. Nearly everyone triggers it and last time I had to wait an extra five minutes for an employee to clear it and then they had to count 20+ small items all because I waved my arms over the machine fixing the cuff of my shirt… I don’t blame the employees that’s their job
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Eh. Shop wherever you get the best deal.
Getting screwed over by someone locally isn’t better than getting screwed over by someone miles away unless you’re a tool.
The best deal is always free. So, I’d rather inconvenience the conglomerate haute-booj than the petit-booj, even if it’s only a few dollars.
The best deal is always free.
What are you talking about? Who told you that and why do you spout it as though it’s a law of the universe?
No, the best deal is not ‘always free.’ That’s the kind of soundbite that’s appropriate for republicans.
You understand why Walmart is able to charge so little for shit? Their workers are paid garbage (a lot have to supplement their wages with food stamps), they buy in such crazy volume that they can undercut mom and pop places with impossible margins and they drive local businesses under. I hope the deals are worth it
Amusingly the 2 Walmarts in my city closed due to crazy shoplifting. I’m not sad to see them go, but they left a massive crater in the shopping center where NOTHING needs that much space and I can’t see anybody moving in anytime soon. Sadly they’ve chased smaller places out of the area already so shopping options are limited
Walmart workers are paid comparably to workers at Kroger and Target.
Walmart is able to charge low prices because they make up for it in volume. They make up for it in volume because they charge the lowest prices.
I hope the deals are worth it
It is. If mom and pop stores want to stay in business, they can take a hit to their paychecks so customers have a better deal. If they aren’t willing to do that, then they shouldn’t get to stay in business. It is business, after all. I’m not getting ripped off just to be nice to someone local, lol.
Bragging about being equivalent to Kroger pay is… sheesh…
Yeah I don’t think they get that countered their own point. All of em are corporate places that are cheap and pay shit.
The one corporate retail chain I’d give a pass to is Costco. They show that it is completely possible for all of these larger chains to compensate their employees fairly.
Is this an American thing? We had these things in Europe for years, and I never heard of anyone having problems.
Older people still prefer regular checkout, scary computers and that sort of deal.
In my nearest supermarket (europe) it is a pain. You go through self checkout cause it should be faster, but it works like shit, and you have to wait a lot until someone comes to fix the problem. We are civilized, though, we don’t cause problems to the shopkeepers. Still a pain, though
Yes. The technology options for self checkout in the US are terrible, so the user experience is terrible. All the horror stories in this thread are true. The stores are terrified of theft but refuse to hire checkers. There’s also way too many grocery stores, so there’s little money to put into technology upgrades and appropriate levels of staffing. For example, I am less than 5 minutes drive from 9 grocery stores. Extend that to 10 minutes and I’ve got over 20. Silly.
That’s crazy. We have a designated checker for each self checkout.
We have about 1 employee per 12 self checkout stations.
Kinda what I meant, too.
In more modern places, they have little machines that they can solve any issue without having to stand up.
In older places, they have to walk around, and they are assigned to like 6-10 machines.
Kinda funny how much faster Europe has adopted retail tech lately. Last time I was there 7 years ago they were still mostly using cash for transactions, but now the cashiers get a little buttmad if I don’t tap my phone to the scanner immediately. I hardly see anyone using phone payments in the US and I don’t understand why it hasn’t caught on. At least not where I live. It’s about as fast and convenient as it gets.
Or maybe it’s just because I’m in a major city right now and kit everywhere in Europe is like this.
Pretty much in any major town in my tiny country, this is the case also.
I’m in europe and the issues I’ve had are getting an alert that an employee needs to come to check and sometimes that can take awhile.
One store also has a scanner so you self scan as you go BUT the paying part is at an actual employee instead of a machine. Every damn time they are alerted to randomly pick some items from your cart to check if any weren’t scanned. And every damn time they pick the items at the bottom of my basket and damage stuff because of it. Or sometimes there is no one at the checkout so i stand there with my basket/cart and scanner like an idiot for 3-5 minutes for an employee to show up. That might not seem like a long time but it sure feels like it…
Yep this is exactly why I refuse to do the scan as you go, it ends up seriously frustrating. Self scan at checkout is fine if you don’t have paracetamol or alcohol, otherwise you’re waiting ages for assistance.
It’s definitely an overall worse experience
I’d never think to harass the poor employee who has nothing to do with the store managenent’s decisions…
However, when I’m pissed or tired I’ll sometimes be rough or sloppy with the machine, and I get pissed if they have too few manned checkouts for how crowded a store is. Banging items against the scanner glass, tap selections on the touch screen forcefully with my ring etc.
To keep the self-checkout machines company, I’ll act like a machine too. If I unsuccessfully attempt to scan something, after 5 tries I “timeout” and move onto the next item.
I give 60 seconds for someone to come fix the self checkout when it fucks up. If no one is available, I’m taking my shit and leaving. I tried to pay, fuck you I don’t have time for this.
I tried to pay, fuck you I don’t have time for this.
Lol, uh huh. Whatever you gotta tell yourself to justify stealing that bag of doritos, dude.
Sucks to suck. Fix your machines.
Grocery stores raise their prices, cut staffing, and shift more labor to their customers so they don’t have to pay for it. Refusing to do that labor, especially when it’s made unnecessarily difficult, is based.
I’m not gonna cry for a corporation that doesn’t give a fuck if you eat or not. Why are you?
I’m not “crying” for any corporations. I’m laughing at that jackass for their asinine rationalization for shoplifting. If you don’t understand the difference, I don’t know what to tell you.
You’re not crying for them, you’re licking their boots
You’re free to do so, of course, and we’re free to laugh at your dumb ass paying full price for $20 steaks that were only half as much three years ago.
Lemmy sure attracts some fucking characters. The guy simply pointed out that stealing isn’t justified by a 60-second wait. And you are jumping in here ranting about the price of steak for some reason. You’re not Robin Hood. You’re just a dumbass with a keyboard.
Tell us you’re not listening without telling us you’re not listening
This dumbass with a keyboard knows their worth and knows it is rarely if ever worth it to pay full price for stuff. Especially expensive necessities, for example meat, for which the prices skyrocketed thanks to the lockdowns and aren’t going back down because of the horrifyingly astounding greed of big corps like Walmart who largely control the market.
Hence, stealing stuff like that from Walmart is justified.
Hell, it’s justified simply because it is Walmart, but that is the more detailed justification.
It doesn’t matter either way, though, because people are going to keep doing it regardless of what you think.
So carry on, dumbass keyboard warrior. The only one you’re hurting is you. 😎
Sureee you will.
No, you’ll stand there and look around annoyed like everyone else, all yourre saying is youre gonna be a dick to whoever has the misfortune of helping you.
I’ve done it several times lol
One time I’ve gotten a “hey you can’t do that” but in my area the guards aren’t allowed to stop you. Which imo is a dumb rule but it allows me to do this.
It’s unethical and I personally wouldn’t do that…
…but in your situation practically speaking, if no one’s going to come and fix the machine in that amount of time, then who would be there to stop you just walking out with your goods?
It’s not the system that bugs me. It’s the amount of time it takes for the employees to actually come and get the shit going smoothly again. Even when it’s pretty dead in the store, it can take an extraordinary long time before one of the employees watching the area actually comes over when the light is flashing red and I’m trying to get their attention.
I ran 8 of the damn things a decade or so ago and I was damn fast. I feel really let down every time I check out with one both with how none of the problems have been resolved and also with how the operators seem to be sleeping with their eyes open.
Yeah in most places I’ve shopped they don’t even have staff covering the self checkouts so they obviously don’t care that much.
The last few times I’ve walked into a Walmart, the place has been a disaster.
Shelves empty and in disarray, no evidence that they ever did carry the product I was after, the building in an increasing state of disrepair.
I’m done with this company.
Have they choked out all other options in the vicinity?
Not really; we’re pretty flush for retail.
The Walmart here is pretty good, but this is a small city/large town where most of the local businesses have gone, so we have to rely on the Walmart a lot of the time. They keep it clean and well-stocked. They even usually have a couple of checkout lanes open.
But Walmarts are generally awful from what I understand.
Yeah hopefully ours goes out of business soon.
Fucking Kroger’s (grocery store in the US) self checkouts yell at you if you have more than like 6 to 8 items, so you have to wave down an employee to continue scanning.
Then it complains for more than 15 and you have to wait for the employee again.
What’s the point? How often do people go to a grocery store to get less than 15 things? It’s just frustrating.
That has to be a location specific thing, because I’ve gone to dozens of different Krogers and I’ve never had that issue with the self checkouts. The worst that happens to me is the scales will get twitchy sometimes and think I doubled up on something, and won’t let me continue scanning till an employee resets it. But even that’s a pretty rare occurrence.
They’ve just recently replaced all their self checkout stations with new ones that do that, so maybe the ones near you are still the old ones.
They actually just installed a bunch of new stations in the Kroger closest to me, so I’m reasonably certain they aren’t old. The ones they installed don’t do what you’re talking about though.
They also have random items that will ALLWAYS trigger the “You need to get an employee” alarm.
Like goddamn, I just want some fucking oatmilk.
Bitch! You aren’t old enough for that oatmilk!!!
I’ve only seen that pop up when I go to pay. Never when just scanning. What’s weird is it’s not consistent, even at the store I frequent. Sometimes I get it and sometimes I don’t. Last time they had canned soup on sale I bought like 30 and didn’t get any messages.
