To each their own, but I find this decision really misguided.
It’s her money, not mine, so whatever, but l do not expect her to turn a profit in, rather the opposite.
In my view, the cross section of “IfR” users and people willing to subscribe monthly is rather small (especially if the money mostly goes to reddit - assuming I could afford it, I, for instance, would rather fund an open system like Lemmy).
And if Apollo’s dev Christian Selig decided that it wasn’t worth it with an already established paying user base, who already has a strong culture of subscriptions and exaggerated pricings, and one of the highest volume of users, at what probably was the peak usage of the platform; I don’t see how a small app like IfR can survive.
That, or Christian made a pretty expensive mistake…
Unpopular opinion, but I’d consider it if the API provided all the data. I never expected the API to always continue to be free. But making me pay and providing incomplete data? Nah.
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The openai CEO is one of the first investors of reddit, was Reddit CEO for a while, reintroduced spez as the CEO.
There’s no way spez is going to let his good friend to pay this insane api prices for ai training
And in fact, i quote spez interview from the verge:
[API pricing for third party apps and AI training pricing] financially, they’re not related. The API usage is about covering costs and data licensing is a new potential business for us
It’s interesting the part “potential business”, that means they didn’t change anything yet for them
They could permit individual users to get API keys and then charge for that. This way would be fair and profitable while protecting them from API misuse. But forcing it on to app developers charging insane prices was their way to kill the apps.
Are there price details yet? Christian was talking about $5 still not breaking even so I’d be interested to see where they’ve landed.
I read that it should be between 10-15 dollars. It’s way too expensive, it’s a shame.
Yikes. That’s more than most streaming services. No one is paying that for Reddit access
Indeed. And it can get even more expensive, with heavy use. And no nsfw too…
I don’t think there’s any way you could economically run a 3rd party app with the new API pricing. When the Apollo developer did the math it looked very sensible, and IMHO there’s a huge downside to miscalculating the pricing (eg. underestimating the API usage of power users). I wish them luck, but this is probably going to end up pushing this developer into a financial hole, even discounting the extra dev work needed.
Shutting down altogether might be a deeper hole, if people have already paid and would have to receive refunds.
And even with that subscription, you still get locked out of any post or subreddit that is marked NSFW, which will now be even more since subreddits are still protesting the changes.
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Yes and they’re already blocking mobile web access to most porn subreddit. Only from their app, for “safety” 😉
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Yup.
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Free speech absolutist except for boobies.
Fuck that
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Ever since the first pricing announcement, they said they’d lock out NSFW. Originally they said it would just be porn, but when asked how the API would differentiate different types of NSFW Reddit never replied.
When mods using 3PA asked how they were supposed to remove NSFW posts on non-NSFW subreddits, the Reddit reply was the posters shouldn’t be doing that. Yeah.
Right now nobody even knows which ones will be blocked or not because it’s hardly visible at the moment. It’s going to be an absolute clusterfuck once people start realizing their subreddits are improperly categorized as NSFW and are completely blocked from the API.
If it’s the same as the mobile website, then new/small subreddits are blocked too for being “unreviewed”.
That’s not gonna last long
There’s no way to be profitable with this pricing. Simply no way. Each time an user opens the app it will cost 2 cents in API requests. Continue scrolling, open threads and the costs rises. In average, accounting all the lurkers, inactive and free users, it might look like that it could be supported by a $2 subscription. But then, who is willing to subscribe to an app to read a free website? Only the most addicted users. The ones that will doom scroll for hours. The ones that will do 10000 api requests per day
Also, the server backend must be rewritten from scratch. Right now the app is open source and it’s talking directly to the reddit servers using the API key. After the change, it could continue to do so, but because extracting the API key from the APK is trivial, some asshole could extract/crack it and give her a massive bill
Every single request must be proxied by her own server, making a check for a valid subscription to each user and also some quota management. Possibly some caching to save money on the most popular posts. Otherwise it will be trivial for some asshole to make a revanced patch to bypass the subscription. But implement this takes months, she can’t have done this and tested carefully in just two weeks
Please someone let her realize this before she gets a massive bill at the end of the month, i don’t have a reddit account for that
some asshole could extract/crack it and give her a massive bill […] it will be trivial for some asshole to make a revanced patch to bypass the subscription
Hi,
I stumbled on your post looking for a ReVanced patch for Infinity, not for bypassing the subscription though : until now, I was using a fork that implements login using Reddit’s official app’s API, but it stopped being updated while I was getting tired of some bugs, so I was hoping for a ReVanced patch which would accomplish the same thing. There isn’t, but I found one that allows you to bring your own API key, so I went with that.
Before using that fork though, I was bypassing the subscription, with Lucky Patcher : it worked fine, which, as you pointed out, means I was making the maintainer pay for me. I didn’t really feel bad about that because they made the choice not to support any of the abovementioned alternatives, even though when I discovered those, I switched because I still didn’t like Reddit getting that money.
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It’s OAuth. Each user that allows access to the app will have an individual token only valid for that app and only for that user’s account. Either the developer or the user can revoke that token at any time.
All the dev has to do is to not create/send a token to the user until they subscribe, then revoke that user’s token if the subscription expires.
Subscription with less features (no nsfw). That’s a no from me. I will not be using reddit on mobile.
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echo 'I will not be using reddit on mobile.'| sed 's/ on mobile//g'Useless use of the global flag.
You don’t need
echoif you use the here string:sed 's/ on mobile//g' <<< "I will not be using reddit on mobile."I don’t think that’s posix compliant
EDIT: It doesn’t work in dash which is posix complianr
True, I was assuming zsh/bash - https://www.shellcheck.net/wiki/SC3011 has the posix-compliant equivalent.
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You honestly can’t blame them for trying to adapt and keep their project going. It’s either they start doing a subscription model or Infinity dies. They aren’t allowed to make a tutorial for you to just replace their API key with your own, so what choice do they have? (you can do that btw, there are tutorials on the Infinity subreddit, although you’re limited to 100 calls a day)
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I payed Infinity+ just to support this amazing app. I remember Infinity being one of my first true approached to the FOSS community, "It’s free, built by pretty much one person, Reddit is a multimillion dollar company, how can this app be better!?.. But pretty much every penny Infinity makes from now on will go to the greedy Reddit admins’ hands so I guess this is goodbye.
Such a damn shame.
the app is better because u/spez has no control over it
oot but, who is ‘her’ exactly?
edit: guys I’m serious, idk if op just mixed the pronouns or christian is a trans (unlikely since christian is a man name)
“her” is the infinity dev I think
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This is reddit killing third party apps, because even if you did subscribe you’re still not getting NSFW because reddit is taking that out of the API anyways
So who would pay literally more for less? Reddit can say all they want about supporting 3rd party but even the blind could see through them
As others have pointed out, doesn’t seem like this will work out well for the dev from business (or integrity) POV - Only thing I can think is maybe devs need to act in good faith now to “attempt” to adapt to API changes to then demonstrate the absolute and tangible harms that Reddit caused their business with this quick and reckless change, so that they can then sue after the fact?
Otherwise, what are you doing?
This was the Sync for Reddit’s main argument against going in that direction.
I bet Infinity is doing this instead of hanging up their keyboards like the other apps specifically because they know it won’t work and want to be living proof of it.
Some of the other apps are making Lemmy versions instead.
The devs were hoping that they can keep their apps up and their livelihoods without too much additional work, that’s fair from them I suppose. But they should definitely be taking a hard look at porting their existing apps for the Fediverse, if they aren’t yet.
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You should never pay for for-profit social media, it’s fundamentally backwards. Their service is not the product, your contributions and presence are. They are nothing without you, and require you.
The exception is things like instances on the Fedi where it’s not for profit and you’re putting up a server to include yourself.
Reddit should be paying users, not the other way around.
Also didn’t reddit already make enough money to cover its server costs several times over selling gold and premium? The only reason it isn’t turning a profit is because of excessive management costs.
Infinity for Reddit is OpenSource: https://github.com/Docile-Alligator/Infinity-For-Reddit
Apparently Reddit doesn’t allow the original developer to publish the app with a field for a user API key… but there are tutorials on what to modify to get it to work, and there might be forks out there with the required fields baked in.
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If the app developer doesn’t have an API key in the app though then what power does Reddit have to stop them? Reddit would have to ban each individual API key that people generated and put in the app, no?
App developers have already agreed to some Reddit ToS in order to get an API key, so one of Reddit’s powers is to sue them. Developers don’t want to risk that, so they just follow the agreement and whatever Reddit tells them.
Individual users would still need to request becoming a developer, a process which Reddit has recently changed, and agree to the same ToS to get an API key, but the risk of getting sued instead of just banned, would be much lower. The ban could include both the API key, and any users using it, so still risky other than for throwaway accounts.
Reusing the official app’s API key though, could be interesting. Still risk getting banned, but interesting.
