This makes no sense to me. There’s people in the comments literally telling me to go kill myself and that’s fine but, me politely disagreeing is worthy of a 30 day ban.
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Banned for being factually incorrect in a blindingly obvious way
Blindingly obvious to everyone else except me, apparently.
Please educate me. I believe I’ve laid out my argument quite clearly. What is it that I’m wrong about exactly and what are you basing that on?
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The argument for it being Israel:
- Israel has complete air superiority
- Israel is conducting a bombing campaign against Gaza
- Israel has threatened to attack hospitals
- Israel has previously bombed hospitals
- Israel has previously bombed this exact hospital
- The audio and visual characteristics of the bomb and the damage caused (captured by multiple, independent observers) match with a JDAM guided bomb, which Israel has already used
- Israeli sources first claimed the hospital was a Hamas base or had Hamas tunnels or arms caches, before rapidly rolling back their position to “we didn’t do it”
- It is clearly in Israel’s interest to kill Palestinians and destroy Palestinian infrastructure, especially medical services and supplies, because they are conducting a genocide
The argument for it being Hamas:
- Israel says it was
Reddit, or rather
, is controlled by the US security state, so r/combatfootage - which banned all combat footage from Palestinian viewpoints - is not a reliable source. The idea that a ‘rocket piece’ could accidentally fall on a hospital and kill 500 people (a number reported by a first-hand MSF witness) is laughably absurd. If a Hamas rocket could cause this kind of damage, Tel Aviv would look like the surface of the fucking moon. It was OBVIOUSLY another genocidal act by the entity continuously and overtly engaged in genocidal acts. To think otherwise requires you to want to fall for their propaganda. No one in full possession of their faculties looking at the facts dispassionately could possibly conclude it was anything else.If it was JDAM then where are the pictures of the leveled hospital/crater? Where are the pictures of 500 dead people? That’s A-grade propaganda material for Hamas so why isn’t it all over the internet? All I’m seeing is this picture which judging by the fence and tree is from outside aswell as this with a matching fence, couple burnt cars and some damaged roofing tiles. Ofcourse there’s also the video posted by IDF of aerial footage which matches that picture from the parking lot and shows a very much intanct hospital building.
EDIT: Here’s a video from that same parking lot. I wonder why they aren’t filmin the leveled hospital instead.
Well I was gonna bother responding, then I noticed your account was created five days ago and has done nothing but both-sides this conflict
Have a very shitty rest of your shift officer
If you scroll through the community bans of World [email protected], you’ll see there’s a mod going crazy handing out months long bans for having the wrong opinion on the current conflict. Mods aren’t beholden to anyone but themselves, so if that’s how they want to mod then that’s how it’s going to be. Thankfully, Lemmy has hundreds of communities discussing the conflict so you might find better mods in one of those communities.
because it is at best a crank conspiracy theory.
[and yes you should do it]
and yes bombing hospitals does make sense, Israel has done it in the past. In fact, the same hospital was ‘warning’ bombed just 2 days ago
https://twitter.com/AVHospital/status/1713543149774160099
October 15th:
Yesterday, at 7:00 PM, Al Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza, which is our partner in the Diagnostic Cancer Treatment Center, was hit by two Israeli rockets. Fortunately, the extent of the damage was limited.
Today, the hospital has received orders from Israeli authorities to evacuate the facility, including patients, staff, and 3,000 Gazan people who have sought shelter within the hospital’s premises.
We call the international community and all humanitarian organizations to take action to prevent the evacuation orders for Al Ahli Arab Hospital and the other 22 hospital, as this action poses a significant risk to the lives of numerous patients.
here is a 2014 article regarding Israel bombing hospitals
The third floor of the Al-Aqsa hospital in Deir al-Balah was struck by Israeli shelling, killing four people and wounding dozens, according to the Gaza Ministry of Health spokesperson.
“Today’s attack on the Al-Aqsa hospital is the latest in a series of attacks on and near medical facilities in Gaza, which have been struggling to cope with thousands of injured people since the Israeli offensive began on 8 July,” said Philip Luther, Director of the Middle East and North Africa Programme at Amnesty International.
Go cry more
Keep trying, debate pervert. Maybe you can escalate this up to the fediverse Supreme Court.
Empire Files: Emergency Broadcast - Israel’s Hospital Massacre & the Gaza Genocide
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You must have read the instance wrong of who you’re replying to. What’s with all of this I don’t believe anything being said anywhere crap… why even go on the internet and talk to anybody? You might as well be role playing in a chat some where.
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With the major news going on right now there’s tons of people that don’t believe anything being said. Even if there’s photos and videos showing what they’re saying they don’t believe. It’s mind boggling.
Yeah I agree, but I don’t feel like that’s what I’m doing? My stance on the subject at hand is based on the evidence that’s available.
What evidence do you need of anything sitting at a keyboard and not doing anything about anything though? I just don’t understand any of the arguments going on between people that aren’t going to do anything about anything other than typing on a damn keyboard.
…they’re from Lemmy.ml.
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I haven’t given an opinion on your stuff. I just told you what instance davel was from. So…your point doesn’t really have legs yet.
Up untill Davel, every single user I got a reply from relating to stuff I said on that thread was either a Hexbear or Lemmygrad user and every user since Davel has been aswell.
What you said was that they were “coming after you”
I’m just making the point of stating that my conversation with you has not been “aggressive” nor has it mentioned the topic at hand. And I’m from hexbear.
I just mean that usually when I say something controversial, the people arguing against that are from all over the place, but in this case the opposition seems to be coming from these two instances almost exclusively. Even in this thread, that’s been posted on lemmy.ml there’s still a disproportionate amount of Hexbear users replying. I can’t say for certain, but it sure feels like they’re looking for me rather than just stumbling across this post.
Oh no not pronouns, those things you use every day already
The imperialist will never understand comradery
“why is it that whenever I post a take that’s completely divorced from material reality it’s always the materialists who tell me my take is bad?”
Truly one of the mysteries of all time
If it makes you feel better. I also reserve judgement until more information is out. The counter arguments as to why it wouldn’t be Israel does make sense to me. Lack of crater. Hospital walls intact. Hamas were firing rockets over the hospital. And the death figure is reported by Hamas. Most likely incredibly inflated.
Since when was recognized terror organisations reliable sources?
Join an instance you believe in. If it happens to enough people they will move on.
I’m really sorry for what happened to you. And I’m really disappointed because lemmy allows fascist instances and fascist friendly instances to stay, like lemmy.ml, the bears, the grads, and others. Why can’t they just leave like exploding-heads did? Why right fascism is bad and left fascism is good, when fascism is fascism after all?
socialists are fascists. war is peace. freedom is slavery. ignorance is strength.
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Or ask the Instance Admins for help
There unfortunately is no system in Lemmy (atm) to do this smoothly. When I was on
lemmy.world, I used their system they had set up separately and that worked well, but for most instances, the only process to do something like that is to DM an admin directly, which will of course have greatly varied results, and that’s if the admin isn’t supportive of the abusive mod in the first place.
Lemmy isn’t a place for debates and arguments. If you don’t follow the direction of the topic, don’t bother inserting yourself into the conversation.
You need to be nice and supportive of whatever is posted, else you’re going to have a bad time.Read their code of conduct and you’ll find that it’s a moderator’s discretion to ban anyone they believe is disruptive, regardless of the rules.
So unless a moderator goes on a deranged banning binge, you’re automatically in the wrong.
If you can’t accept that, i suggest you make your own instance, with blackjack and hookers.I don’t see how making my own instance solves anything. I’m not posting from lemmy.ml account to begin with.
It helps if you want to go on your own banning spree for people not having the same opinion as you!
Yeah but then they’re banned and wrong
From their point of view, only you think there’s something to be solved.
A major point of federization is not having to deal with the undesirable rabble. To have your own little slice of the internet where everybody gets along.You don’t get along, so you don’t belong. Instead, you are very welcome to find or make an instance where you do belong and can engage in conversations freely.
Lemmy’s solution is to make the problem go away, which is why in its eyes, there is nothing to solve.
I think the idea that this is a negative but to me it is not. If a domain or magazine is run poorly then folks then I don’t want to go to it. I just want the individual ability to block at all levels working well and would love it both ways. I learned my lesson from mmo’s. A completely horrible cesspit of a chat can become pretty decent with just a dozen or so blocks. People who block everyone on a whim. Well thats great as I doubt their discourse is going to be beneficial. folks that don’t ban even though someones pushing the line will be rewareded with a richer experience.
I’m gonna steal the term deranged banning binge
it’s beautiful
Glorius!
I’d never seen it in such detail. The majesty of the poop, the subtle demarcation of the balls. The stylised X butthole? Tre magnifique
😠
1984 😔
I’m all for Palestine, and I disagree with you completely, but I don’t understand why do you even bother replying in a thread that you know is not in your favour?
During the India-Canada assassination fiasco, we had to deal with lots of racist comments and chats on Reddit.
No, I am not a chaddi, I am a proper left-leaning socialist. But I found it ridiculous that a poor country like mine with a shitty infrastructure, that was barely able to send a satellite to the moon by sheer luck, and didn’t even pay most of it’s staff, can somehow engage in overseas Mossad-style assassination.
Lemmy was slightly better than Reddit with this matter. What about the situation however? No one knows whether India or Canada was lying. Also, no one remembers or cares about this now, it’s all buried in the trench. It didn’t change the opinion of the Reddit mob that were racist towards South Asians.
In the near future, you may be proven wrong or right. But if you can’t deal with the flame, don’t bother to comment. Sometimes being lazy has its pluses. Just give a downvote and move on.
I don’t mind a disagreement. Not at all. Infact I enjoy a good debate as long as both parties are doing it in good faith. This thread isn’t about that.
Right now, it’s too early to tell anything, and I’m hearing about this hospital being targeted by the missile for the first time. Going to wait for the online flames to settle, it is too soon to know or understand what has happened.
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My suspicion lies with the entity which has air supremacy and has been dropping shitloads of bombs already. It’s not surprising that people like you will contort into any position which suits your interests.
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