It doesn’t matter how many people or what kind of people moved from Reddit. I was there 14 years (Digg 4.0 exile here). They have a new group of people now. My wife and kids now use Reddit, but it’s not the same type of user interaction I experienced there in the past. It’s very much a mix of scrolling through TikTok videos and sparse reading of comments on an /r/askreddit thread. It’s casual browsing and video content. There are still some holdouts, which I think mostly contribute to what’s left of the comment section, but that’s it. It sucks, because I miss the discussions there. Lemmy kind of scratches that itch, but the content is slow to come in, and the comments so few. I’m doing my part, and I am much more active here than I ever was on Reddit.
Yea I remember it went to shit around 2018 or somewhere there about. I had been hoping for a viable alternative for a while. I should thank Spez in retrospect.
I mean, it’s kind of always been shit, but it was “our” shit. Now it’s a different crowd, and their “shit”. I don’t want to deal with their “shit”, so I don’t really go there anymore and treat it like Ravenholm.
IMO the quality of discussion here is about the same on reddit. Which is to say, not very good, or very deep. It’s shallow observations, memes, and one liner gut reactions to headlines. People have been conditioned over the past decade to not engage with long replies or complex thoughts. It might have to do with social media becoming more or less defined by people engaging with it on mobile devices, which don’t really enable that sort of engagement. But it might also be people genuinely not giving a shit anymore and only wanting that minor degree of superficial interaction.
Honestly, the worst thing about Lemmy is Lemmy users thinking it’s better than Reddit simply by the virtue of it not being Reddit.
The platform? Yes, absolutely, a much better solution with built in checks and balances to stop one greedy company eating everyone’s lunch.
The content? It’s identical! (Bar a few cosplay communists that stir up drama occasionally). And some things are significantly worse like the quality of content curation and moderation.
For every person writing an “ugh you must be a Redditor”/“I thought I left this behind on Reddit” type comment,I bet there are many more people rolling their eyes and at least a few of them that end up abandoning the platform entirely.
For every person writing an “ugh you must be a Redditor”/“I thought I left this behind on Reddit” type comment
Oh my God right? This bull shit.
I want to like lemmy because I don’t want to support a web platform that so clearly thinks so little of its users and aims for monetization that involves literally just paying for comments you want to hear.
But this self assured that lemmy is the hottest shit stuff needs to cool off. I mean look at who started this platform and the large communities of people with super simplified garbage takes on anything with an iota of complexity and you realize that people here just want to be superior without doing anything superior. But that is a great way to be lonely forever.
Also let’s not forget that Reddit has duration as an advantage. I can look back 10 years on a tv show that is no longer airing and there will still be discussion threads from when it came out. That’s literally impossible to manufacture overnight, so Reddit has a huge edge.
That’s fine so long as we’re admitting it does. Reddit having a huge edge and everyone acting like it doesn’t is just setting up new users for disappointment.
I get better responses here on Lemmy with my longer replies, which is great. Reddit feels overall dumber now where people will try and argue that your comment with sources is somehow less compelling than someone else’s sourceless opinion (true story).
I’m having far better interactions on Lemmy.
Same. I’ve had mostly positive interactions with Lemmy. The content is slow to come in, but more enjoyable to read and interact with
My favorite thing about Lemmy is that you can comment on an article that’s several hours old and get responses. Reddit was so big that if you didn’t comment on major articles within a couple minutes of being posted, your comment would get buried under a thousand other comments and would never be seen. Commenting became a game of which top level comment you could possibly sneak your comment as a response to, even if it wasn’t really a “response” to what the person had said, just to get your comment seen and have a chance at sparking a discussion.
I’ve had the same experiences actually. It’s also a lot more common (at least from what I’ve experienced) to find people being more composed here even in the face of some divisive or provocative content.
Have you been on reddit recently? The average discussion on Lemmy may not be super deep, but the comment sections of larger reddit threads have become downright painful to read. It honestly feels like every negative cliché about reddit has been dialed up to eleven.
I think it has a lot to do with longer messages seeming “elitist” in addition to the tendency of trolls to find one phrase they don’t like and derail the entire topic over it. You write 3 paragraphs, most don’t read past the first sentence and vote based on that, and some troll starts nitpicking your use of “us” vs “we” instead of the actual topic. Over time you see putting the effort into a comment as pointless or outright adversarial, and you stop. It’s the trolls and the low effort people that make having quality conversations frustrating. Not trying to gatekeep, but I firmly believe that once a site becomes popular enough that all the “Lowest Common Denominators” join, quality drops. The signal to noise ratio just becomes too much. Popularity is a death sentence on the Internet.
Also there’s this legit tactic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop that sometimes is employed by the trolls themselves to basically DDoS people. Preferring shorter comments at all become a legit behavior if there’s too many comments like that. If there’s long af comment, usually I’d like to see the replies or upvotes first to defend against that.
Yeah I’ve seen some pretty benign comments get downvoted to hell here on Lemmy if they’re even just a tiny bit out of line from the consensus which is no better than Reddit.
There’s just so much content now a days it’s easier to just not comment to a reply and move on, where when I was on forums it was the main thing to do because there wouldn’t be so many posts
I think you’re right. And if anyone wants to give a deep/thoughtful comment it often feels like swimming upstream. Nuances are ignored and people will just downvote you if they think you’re disagreeing with them (even if disagreement is only partial).
People have been conditioned over the past decade to not engage with long replies or complex thoughts
I think this has two parts. One, it’s just so easy for any long/complex comment to attract ‘attacks’ that will target some small minutia. The internet in general seems to find pedantry of grammar and small inconsistencies (in an allegory, for instance, which is not supposed to be an exact match for the tale it’s telling) to be the height of humor and the best way to ‘counter’ an argument.
Second, I think people in general are more demanding of having their space be as comfortable and similar to them as possible. My friends of nearly three decades and I have plenty of things we disagree about, and even argue about, but it seems as if differences are no longer accepted. Let’s pick a common and slightly humorous one from Lemmy: if you and I were to disagree about the extent of how evil a conservative is (not even that they are evil, or do evil, or whatever else), one or the other of us would be blocking the other, haranguing the moral turpitude that is said different belief, etc.
It combines to make anything but short, bland or ‘act like they are acting’ comments a headache to actually post. I’ve found myself typing up a response to a biology article somebody had posted, and eventually just hit the cancel button because it wasn’t worth the bother.
The people that think they are being clever by ignoring the entire conversation and just responding with Strawman! or Ha! You misspelled that so you don’t know what you are talking about! offer so little to actual conversation that they don’t even realize why no one wants to talk to them. They seem like they are just repeating what they saw people before them do without awareness or understanding of why or even what their words mean.
The internet is such a microbubbled place now. Each niche divided and divided again so that everyone can have exactly what they want and nothing more or less until each of them might as well be a homunculus living as a single entity if wasn’t for the ability for someone to advertise or sell a product to that group.
I thought it is good if everyone has their own specific thing but we still need to be able to interact as a whole, and that generalized communication is a dying skill apparently. Or maybe we are just to many steps away from the original products that the internet is becoming full of Cargo Cults that just copy without reason… I dunno.
Fellow Digg exile, previous Fark, previous Slashdot, etc.
I still go back to Reddit for several niche groups that just don’t have enough users to transition - would likely disappear if people moved elsewhere (Lemmy or Discord)
Maybe I am part of that new group? I’m just here for the memes. Lemmy is amusement for me and a way to kill some time. If I want to have deep or meaningful discussions I’ll talk to people I actually know (and then I’ll also know I’m not wasting my time arguing with a troll). The “casual browsing” content is also lower quality here than on Reddit, but I can’t complain, because I don’t really contribute, I just lurk.
Wasn’t Digg 2.0 the time of the Great Exodus? Or has my memory of these arcane events become clouded throughout the eons of enshittification?
It was v4.
Reddit very much depends on the subreddits you subscribe to.
Browsing /r/askhistorians or /r/programming isn’t really the same experience as r/memes or whatever. Not logging in to reddit makes it way worse since you only see the popular low-effort threads instead of better niche content.
Right. And to my point, newer users are doing the latter.
Exactly how I felt there too. Reddit was different. It wasn’t the place where you could come and chat with strangers about things you enjoy, even the most positive subs were littered with spam and comments usually devolved into arguments.
Not saying it didn’t happen here but the vibe is for sure better. Haven’t logged into my reddit account since spez killed Sync.
I deleted my account and its contents. Though it was Apollo for me instead of Sync.
Lenmy is brilliant as platform and concept, but the truth is it simply can’t compare to Reddit where there are 1000x more user and 100x more comments/activity.
I was on reddit a couple times past couple of days for some specific purposes (like looking up Minecraft seeds). Checked the front page and stuff out of curiosity and I genuinely don’t know if the content was already as bad when I left or if Lemmy just gave me new standards or something, but Jesus Christ. It’s all just ragebait and TikTok reposts, even though everyone on reddit always claims to hate TikTok. It’s like if you collected all the lowest tier posts from every other site and then gathered them in one.
It’s all “TikTok” now. I see TikTok, YT Shorts, Reddit video clips, Facebook video clips, IG video clips, etc. They are all TikTok in my head, and I don’t care enough to check them each out to differentiate between them and change my mind. This must be what getting old feels like.
Ill never understand the appeal of short form video. I watch YT for episodic content ~10-20 mins or deep tutorials about some niche technical thing Im doing or interested in doing
They all repost to each other anyway. Some creators will just post directly to several of them, but there’s also entire content factories designed around stealing other peoples creative works and reposting them on a different platform.
It’s interesting to me. We saw a similar evolution in facebook, where it went from silly posts about your status, to image posts that people argued over, and now (as I saw when I visited my aging mother) it’s just an endless scrolling of short videos.
Same thing for me here, so much rage bait. I was asking a specific question on Google and a reddit post had a very good answer, curiosity sent me to r/all and it is so clearly meant to get under your skin.
That’s why I could never get into Twitter because no matter how much I tried to curate my feed, it would inevitably start pushing rage bait
It’s actually pretty funny how many discussions about Reddit, Twitter, and Threads happening in the Fediverse.
I just deleted my Reddit account a few months ago (and my Twitter account years ago) and I don’t think I miss anything.
Still a lot of stuff that’s not moved over either as fedirated isn’t as esay to use yet or reddit being established
Lemmy will dethrone reddit once you are able to google a question and the Lemmy link is at the top as opposed to reddit
And Linux will dethrone windows.
I wish they were true but reality is that people will accept just about any and all abuse and stay with the crap despite sometimes getting angry about it.
Which is never going to happen because you can’t click this /c/books
And fine an agglomeration of all /c/books on all lemmy servers Ina single location.
This cripples any network effect and any benefice of decentralization and federation
Bro, it’s so fucking frustrating that I need to be subbed to 5 different Android communities just to get my news.
I can’t sub to just one because I miss news if I do.
My only hope is that Boost brings multi-reddit support to Lemmy, so I can just click on “Android” and get the news from all 5 Android communities.
“multi Reddit” like feature do not fix the problem.
First, like on Reddit, less than 5% of users will use it as a non default feature which needs to be configured.
Second, even of those people who use the feature, they will have different sets of differently configured “multireddit”.
The end result is a fragmented audience that has no shared experience and never aglomerates to critical mass.
If you have 1725 /c/books communities, that does not make one cohesive books community. These people have nothing in common.
Practical end result, one books community on one Lemmy instance, is “the one big community” and almost every other gets 1 post per year on average, which is never seen by anyone.
For every big community, every once in a while, the moderation dictators sell out or otherwise piss off the community enough that it fragments. That works as well as the current transition from Reddit to Lemmy.
Each schism doesn’t create a new, better community, it creates a smaller, less active community at the expense of the larger one.
There needs to be a single point of agglomeration, which works by default for any community name.
And moderation needs to be something dive by every user and moderation needs to be a filter that you subscribe to.
Whelp, better get to asking questions… Someone ask me a question to an answer someone may want to search for
Is there anyway to control how high I want my android phone to charge? I would like to set it to 90%.
If you have root you may want to use something called ACC (Advanced Charging Controller). You can use its official app, ACCA, to install it. Very customizable.
Samsung phones have an option in the battery settings called “charge protection” and it makes your phone stop charging at 85%. Look through your battery settings to see if you have a similar option.
Not without rooting it or the manufacturer including a custom option for it, but if it has adaptive charging, you can set an alarm and it will charge the phone up to 80% and then wait to charge it the rest of the way to coincide with the alarm so that it isn’t at 100% for a long time.
I was so insulted when I realized I could never root my phone. Fuck Verizon!
Why is my poop green?
Your poop is green because you consumed something with food coloring in it.
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Punch someone they hate.
Just punch Trump then. This will make a lot of people smile.
I’m the leftest leftist ever to left but had to downvote for such low effort
Apply your thumbs in an upward motion to the corners of their mouth. Use force if necessary
What’s Ligma?
Ligma baaawwllls lmao goddim
Oh nooooo ya gawt me😭
What is the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
African, or European?
Well I don’t know that
sproing
Even then, Reddit has accumulated so much technical advice over the years, I hope I can still find archived posts this way, if ever it truly does crash and burn.
What’s stopping someone from just copying the reddit history and building that knowledge base as under the hood of Lemmy?
Reddit also had the ability to just type in my address bar “/r/obscurefandom” and be taken directly to the subreddit for it. Lemmy doesn’t have those smaller subs yet and you have to hunt for the right instance if it does.
I just started using lemmy today, so I definitely could be wrong. But doesn’t the website browse.feddit.de kind of do this for you already?
This illustrate the fatal flaw with Lemmy.
The fediverse is made pointless because now a community only exists on one server at a time, instead of on every server.
It is Reddit, with extra steps
Even TV shows that have been off air for a decade often have a thriving community. Merlin, the BBC show, has several posts per day. Similarly with Smallville. Lemmy’s communities are smaller and tend to be broken up across instances.
Reddit will have active subs for specific board games. The general board games magazine on Lemmy has 1 post a month.
So ya, if I want to read comments on the latest episode of Loki to see what things people picked up on that I missed Reddit is currently the only place to find that.
I feel like there needs to be instance aggregation for Lemmy to really work in the long run (and really this is probably true of the fediverse in general). Having to add communities across multiple instances, and not being able to browse them in a centralized way, really detracts from the experience. On Reddit, I subbed to the stuff I wanted and just lived off that feed. With Lemmy, I feel like I have to stay in unfiltered view to get anything of interest–the fragmented niche communities are just too limiting.
Add in people posting the same thing across the various “same community” on all the various instances for extra silliness.
Yes, Lemmy is Reddit with extra steps as long as you can’t click this /c/books And see, by default, every books community , on every server at once in a single place.
The Redditors who made it here, saw this and realized the fediverse promise, was just bait.
alternatively r/obscurefetish
Since lemmy instance are hit and miss. Some popular ones are already talking about shutting down or have shut down. I highly doubt lemmy will get there.
Only time I think I’ve read it these days is when I have to look something up and the first result is a fucking Reddit page from 50 years ago discussing what I was looking up. Admittedly I probably still be using it if I hadn’t been banned from the whole site on a trumped-up charge.
Perma-bans are fucking crazy. The correct way to think about them is as a death sentence. Hatred speech in real life: what, like 2 years in prison? IDK actually... Hatred speech on reddit: death penalty.I’m curious what the trumped up charges were?
Light treason
Nothing wrong with a little bit of treason in my book, shit, it might even convince me to vote for him.
I too, was fucked by a trumped up charge. Perma-banned by IP so any new account I setup without a VPN gets banned.
My main account (16yo, “Charter Member”) got a subreddit ban. It was reversed a few weeks later by a mod. Then the original mod re-banned me and said “no ban evasion allowed”. Then Reddit banned me for evading a ban.
I didn’t evade anything. I was allowed to post during a short period!
I was on Reddit for ten years, about a million karma between a few accounts. The day Reddit Is Fun stopped working I had already deleted my accounts and all of that content earlier in the week. Google searches have brought me back for a few minutes but I’m out.
I left.
im only lurking without an account from time to time
I was mostly on Reddit for hockey game threads. Lemmy sucks for that at the moment, so… I went to discord. Fuck spez
I don’t need it! I can stop whenever I want, man!
I’ll be honest, I am still browsing Reddit, though in a more limited fashion. I deleted all my submissions and comments and refuse to post or comment, no matter how strong the urge to correct misinformation regarding topics I am interested in is. Communities for those topics are generally non-existent, got created and withered within a month of the 3rd-Party-Exodus, or in the case of /r/leagueoflegends and its local mirrors, are generally carried by the eSport scene and there is generally no decent discussion to be had outside of that. And I don’t even know if one of the League communities here even does post-match threads.
The people on here on are on mighty high horses but don’t realize they’re still in the children’s section. It’s so cringey. I want to hate reddit but the lemmings here are sometimes vomitable. Stop comparing redditors. Redditors are YOU, just earlier or later. You were a redditor before! If you weren’t, then you crawled out of some miracle vaginal and found your way to the lemmyverse.
Agree on communities over here getting created during the exodis, seeing a small surge, and then kind of withering. I’m subbed to 15ish communities that aren’t even all that niche (3D printing, photography, woodworking) and it’s rare that they all get one post per day. There are obviously people lurking because posts will get comments, but I think we’re all a little wary of being the person to post a bunch of content for fear of no one else doing so.
I noticed a massive drop of quality after the api changes (though it’s been declining for a couple years now) and after a while I just realized there is no point, so I mostly only kept subreddits related to my country. The balance of repost bots/trolls/idiots/people who think saying the same joke a million times is funny vs. people you actually can converse with really started outweighing the latter ever since covid hit and Reddit got even more popular (it was on a slow decline regardless). The api changes just made everything even worse.
I’d like to think things here will be better, and to be honest I’m really liking Lemmy so far.
The quality of reddit posts outside of niche communities or events has tanked a lot. Most of the stuff at the top is AITA(H), the most basic questions, and reposts, with some short video clips and the occasional comic. Doesn’t help that it is known that someone is using LLMs for bot accounts.
I left reddit after a few weeks of getting any useful info off my saved list. Honesty I’ve been happier these last couple months. Now I only visit reddit( with an ad blocker, because they ain’t making a penny off me) to read help and old opinion threads when I need the info.
Yeah, reddit admins won. Most people don’t care and at this point its hard to see what the admins could do to start a real exodus. Hell, my reddit usage is way down, but I still go there for niche subjects (anime, philosophy) because nowhere else is comparable.
they may have won this battle but the war is still ongoing. reddit is a public company, and it is a modern website, which means it is going to get shittier and shittier and it is never going to stop. i still go there for sports and news but anything of substance or merit i try to share here instead because fuck them. i think over time it’ll hollow itself out even more.
reddit is a public company
I don’t think they are public yet, the reason they pulled their little stunt in the first place is to prep for their IPO release. I think the general uproar probably set them back a while, but I’m sure the IPO is coming.
Oh after all this shit, did they still not do their IPO they were talking about forever? Jfc that place is a joke.
Not yet, don’t think they were expecting the revolt they ended up with. Investors aren’t going to be too excited to buy an IPO whose consumers are that upset when they try to monetize their platform.
I’m a bit surprised to hear that. I don’t visit there anymore and only get my Reddit news from the occasional Reddit bashing post here.
And from those posts, there are a lot of people saying the protests don’t do shit.
If they are still waiting on this IPO so many months later, then clearly they made a boo boo lol.
I wouldn’t say that it worked, more that it did some damage. They are still going to go public, which means it’s going to eventually be fully monetized. This just did some damage to their quarterly, which is still a win in my book.
I cant say they won all around. As a tech guy, now when i look up tech info and click on a reddit link 90% of the top answers are deleted(including all mine from the last 12 years).
Before the exidus, Reddit was already a painful hassle to use, unable to view many normal subreddits now, 80% of my screen taken up by login and cookie warnings, forcing logins, asking if you want the app multiple times. Slow, clunky, broken UI.
IF i want to give info to the Reddit people, i only post links to topics over on Lemmy.
IMO reddit won but only by engaging a new audience. It removed the 1 post per subreddit on the front page without an announcement, modified the upvote algorithm to make upvote numbers seem larger than they are, and comments per upvote are lower than 10 years ago. Basically engagement is way down for people who use it like a forum aggregate. But engagement is way up by people who are migrating off of Instagram and similar platforms. I used to feel weird about being on reddit but now I have my wife’s 20 mostly female coworkers asking me about it. Reddit has a new audience it appeals to and it’s creating a weird issue because for some dumbass reason they thought the unpaid engagement generators would stick around after they fucked everything up for a few short term dollars.
4chan’s /a/ board isn’t good anymore? ;)
/a/ was never good
Man, that’s a classic.
Are you saying anime is niche?
Depends, there’s so much of it that there’s bound to be niche here and there
Or philosophy for that matter
Anime has more broad appeal but the philosophical community on Lemmy seems virtually non-existent. Reddit even had graduate students/professors answering questions on r/askphilosophy. And r/askhistorians had even more success. It’s going to take a while for that to be replicated here.
AH won’t be replicated here. It isn’t large enough.
Philosophy absolutely is Nietzsche.
Lulz
The guy that invented steel had to live and breath iron in order to create change.
Its not wrong to still use the old ways.
Hell. I hear some people still use the imperial system. Lol.
The only time I think about Reddit is when you degens bring it up. :|
True, I wish people would stop posting about Reddit and Twitter. I don’t care about those platforms.
