NEW YORK (Kyodo) – Toyota Motor Corp. said Thursday it will adopt Tesla Inc.'s charging standards for its electric vehicles to be sold in North Ameri
Makes sense. Why not use infrastructure that’s already available?
because, from what I understnad, only the newest tesla chargers will support non-teslas charging, which is gonna leave a shitton of older chargers as tesla exclusive.
and overnight renders all the investment and infrastructure thats been built for J1772/CCS Type1/2 completely pointless and wasted effort almost overnight.
and overnight renders all the investment and infrastructure thats been built for J1772/CCS Type1/2 completely pointless and wasted effort almost overnight.
I could be mistaken, but I don’t think it’s that grim. J1772 will still be good for supporting vehicles and locations that don’t support DC charging. Level 2 will continue to be useful for years since the grid doesn’t support Level 3 charging just anywhere.
And CCS 1/2 will support NACS with relatively simple adapters as I understand it. Existing DC charging stations can simply replace their CCS 1/2 ends with NACS over time when they would be replaced for maintenance anyway, and perhaps provide adapters in the meantime.
I highly recommend this video from Technology Connections which changed my mind about this.
(To be fair, as an owner of a PHEV that can’t use DC charging anyway it doesn’t make much difference to me though.)
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https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A32014L0094
There is a placed by law standard in the European Union, don’t know if the US has the same.
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Nah can’t have standards in the USA, let the market solve that and Canada just follows whatever the USA does for these things.
In this case there is, it’s called the North American Charging Standard! Granted, Tesla did name it that way just last year, before it became a standard, but hey, at least it worked out in the end. Probably.
It’s not a standard unless it’s made mandatory by the state, it’s just an agreement between manufacturers and sadly it seems like States always wait too long to establish standards and we end up with incompatible tech that lose support in the long term because of it.
that is absolutely not true. most standards AREN’T mandated by law. ANSI is voluntary for example. USB is a standard that isn’t written into law, you get the picture
My point is that at any time a manufacturer can just go “Fuck them, I’m creating my own interface” for this reason, the standard isn’t mandated by law! Case in point: Apple
I guess I don’t understand the problem. Companies use the superior standard. Innovation is good. Look at NACS charging plug, everyone has given up on CCS in the US and signed up to switch. Despite the government mandating CCS in charge stations
We had a standard before that, it was called CCS. Musk changing the name of his charger doesn’t make it a defacto standard, no matter what the Muskites tell you.
Musk changing the name of his charger doesn’t make it a defacto standard
No, but the majority of carmakes adopting it does.
Because using proprietary standards puts you at the mercy of the technology owner
It was made an open standard about a year ago
Didn’t know that, that’s fine then
Fuuuck, please keep everything on one standard. It’s going to suck to have multiple plugs at every station, particularly since the official standard can scale like crazy :/
I’d be careful with making vehicles reliant on a fascist owned charging infrastructure.
The plug spec has been opened up, so we should see all infrastructure switch to this. Not just Tesla’s superchargers. This is a good thing.
My default is zero trust in muskovite. Hopefully all potential loopholes are closed!
Wasn’t that an early Tesla thing too, opening up tech so others could use it? I remember being like this is how the future will be.
They got me good.
Yeah. I bought a Tesla because they “opened their patents” https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you
This company has changed quite a bit from what it used to be. :(
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That’s disappointing. I can’t wait to see how Musk attempts to screw with everyone once all major companies are using his “open” standard.
Exactly.
SAE is ratifying NACS as an automotive standard. Once that process is complete Musk won’t have control over it.
https://www.sae.org/news/press-room/2023/06/sae-international-announces-standard-for-nacs-connector
I’d bet anything he still tries something. Don’t forget what an enormous moron he is.
I believe Tesla retained patents on their automatic payment system. So other cars can use the NACS, but they have to use a shitty app (which is currently a MAJOR problem with BEV chargers) because none of them have figured out how to install a credit card terminal on the dang things.
I believe Tesla has already released ownership of the NACS patent as well.
Does Toyota have any electic models? I thought they were still stuck between hybrids and hydrogen.
They have some plug in hybrids, too
They have plug in hybrids.
Yes, they’ve created an BEV specific platform, which currently is used by the Toyota bZ4X/Subaru Solterra and Lexus RZ, with the Toyota bZ3 due in 2024.
They released a compliance car (BZ4x) built with Subaru. From what I’ve read it sucks and essentially just performs the same function as the PT Cruiser and Chevy HHR did back in the day. I’m sure this’ll be retained for the future when they have a proper lineup of EVs though.
They also have the Prius Prime and Rav4 Prime models which have larger battery packs and charge ports compared to their standard hybrid variants. These models don’t support DC fast charging and still operate like standard hybrids so having the larger charge network isn’t as important.
I’m not sure if the existing Tesla level 2 “chargers” would work in this case but assuming they do it would offer more options.
I have a prius prime! Works perfect for my use case. Everyday driving is full battery with maybe a bit of gas. Big long trips require no extra planning or stops.
Not for everyone, and i figure will last until EVs are nice and developed with better infrastructure up where i live.
