youtube getting more aggressive… i’ve got firefox and ublock but this shit is still coming up
People are going to throw a brick at me, but I’m using brave and have never seen this.
Lol thanks. Downloading brave now.
This has probably nothing to do with the browser in this case. YT is A/B testing this, which makes reproduction harder as they slowly roll it out.
Very plausible. I also haven’t recently been signing in when watching.
I noticed some thoughts in this thread estimating that this is being rolled out to users logging in for the time being.
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what idiots watch Youtube whilst being logged in?
Please resume watching…Please resume watching…Please resume watching…
I didn’t get any of this. I’m using chrome
adguard desktop loaded with anti-adblock killer!
Sorry I have tourette’s syndrome. I can’t help but scream the names of random software sometimes.
For those on Android, workaround might be Rossman’s new app (the guy fixing Apple PCs). Promise seem kinda alternative NewPipe app but with platforms (e.g.YouTubes) algoritms, following creators across different platform and possibility to log in to your accounts.
It has opensource plugins capabilities so if it gets popular it might keep growing and living from comunity support as well.
I’m not affiliated with that. I’m also yet the app. This is not add. AFAIK app is not monetized at this point.
The app is supposed to be something like 10$, no subscription. Not sure if it’s paid atm.
It is just an ask from the community. The app is free, you can use all the features free forever.
That being said, it is always ethical and a good choice to pay for the services you use, get value from.
I’d happily pay for YouTube if they hadn’t done bullshit free shenanigans to kill their competition while expanding their reach.
I’ll never pay for YouTube now.
Are you sure ? Because I could swear it has been announced as free . I have feeling there’s even opensorce code available.
It is open source, but Louis said that albeit it is open source, the app is 10$ or something like that, but you are free to pirate it and he won’t be stopping you.
Or, rather, the “premium” features. No idea what are those tho.
This is his approach to IP broadly speaking, I believe.
Edit for clarity:
If you can’t effectively try something without paying, pirate it and pay if you want to and can support it.
It’s a goodwill model.
Me neither but basic fueatures are already better in idea than YouTube app
On Android it’s simple, patched with YouTube ReVanced Manager
I understand but app allows you to move from YouTube entirely if your fav content created release videos else where and in the future to support creators directly.
I see nothing wrong with Google wanting to make money on YouTube, and I actually own YouTube Premium myself.
But they should really fix YouTube experience, if you don’t use subscriptions box, your main page will be filled with click-baity low-effort videos and that really sucks. There are also other issues as well.
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That is true. I hate Shorts and have to block it via uBlock filters. Also, I hate their mobile app. I can’t select a precise app wide video quality. There are only two options: High and Low in the settings. I need to go to Advanced settings upon playing each video to manually set a precise video quality, say 720p. This experience is sub par and below what NewPipe used to provide. I mainly use YouTube Music as a service but they bundle YouTube Premium for little onto it.
My front page is usually pretty good on YouTube.
This pop up, did more to curb my youtube addiction than any other app.
That too. There’s. New dystopian Rayman universe show on Netflix rn.
My family watches several Youtube channels on the main HTPC. It had Chrome for them to use, as that is what the kids and my wife are familiar with from school/ work. Then this BS started. I use Firefox on my personal PC and have yet to have a problem.
So I dumped Chrome off of the HTPC.
It would be amusing if Chrome lost a ton of market share to Firefox and other browsers.
this is an issue. whole family can use netflix etc with one payment. if you have separate youtube accounts (everyone has their own subs etc) you all need individual youtube premium accounts so you can watch ad free. it’s stupid (I’m ignoring why yt premium isn’t a good idea anyway unless you use yt music)
edit: I see there is a family plan. my bad
It won’t. We are an extreme minority who really have the know-how to get around this. The majority will just give in and subscribe.
This is what happened with Netflix. Everyone thought that Netflix would lose subscribers with the crackdown on password sharing. On the contrary, they gained subscribers and is bringing even more revenue: https://www.ign.com/articles/netflix-adds-88-million-subscribers-amid-password-sharing-crackdown-hikes-prices-for-some-plans.
We really are all sissies now aren’t we?
Blocking ads on YouTube is kind of like eating meat. It can’t quite be morally justified, but I’m still guilty of it.
Currectly I’m updating uBlock 3 times a day to keep up with YouTube’s detection algorithms, so I’m obviously willing to go to great lenghts to block ads, but after it gets difficult enough, I’ll most likely just give in and get a subscribtion. It’s by far the most valuable streaming service for me, yet I’ve used it (ad)free for more than 15 years. If now is the time they say enough, then fine. It was good while it lasted. I don’t think that ads-based bussines model is the way to go anyways, so perhaps I should practice what I preach. Currenltly I’m only paying for Spotify and one podcast.
If competiton comes along that’s even one tenth as good, I’m perfectly willing to jump ship, though. Google has lost my trust.
In other words, the general population likes to be used by companies and really don’t give a shit as long as they can watch videos.
But but cat doing funny thing, who cares about privacy??
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Lmao you all are so cringy. The general population sees it as a value proposition that makes sense for them.
Not quite.
If users see thry need to invest more brain power in tech than plugging a cable in and pressing the power button, they will either give up or ask tech literate folk. They are like an extreme toddler with tech.
You wouldn’t expect a toddler to write a speechNo but I would expect a toddler to learn new things.
Not all wants to learn more (sadly)
I can understand the viewpoint, learning something new requires time to be invested, time that one may want to spend on something else.
Three persons sharing one user profile vs just paying for Netflix myself, I don’t feel used.
not so much that they like to be used by companies, but that they don’t care enough to change or learn how to stop it. for most people, the idea of giving up their favorite online service because of ads or whatever other predatory anti consumer shit it implements is a little extreme.
as long as it works, the vast majority of people who are not tech-literate will just use it regardless.
Most people sell their time and personal information (including deeply personal stuff) dirt cheap.
In other words, the general population
likes to beis okay with being used by companies and really don’t give a shit as long as they can watch videos.I hate that you’re right. Not because of you, but because the situation is ridiculous.
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I use Chrome on my work laptop and Firefox on my personal computron and I either get the pop-up on both devices or not at all.
Open the extension settings, purge the filter lists and then update them all. I was getting warnings and I did this, and I haven’t had any further warnings.
Honestly, if YouTube offered a $5 adfree video plan I’d pay for it. It’s not worth $14/month in my opinion
That’s way too expensive. I guess regional pricing did me good because here it costs an equivalent of $3.75 (RM 17.90). That much for Premium + Music ain’t no way I’m not taking it.
Spotify costs $3.35 (RM 15.90).
Youtube would profit off of $2 a month the fact that they need to charge 14 is just greed
How did you compute that?
According to the latest reports, over 2.70 billion people worldwide use YouTube per month.
This was 2022 and there is conflicting figures, most of which are 2 billion to 2.8 billion regular users (regular use of at least once a week, most daily.) https://www.globalmediainsight.com/blog/youtube-users-statistics/
Google has claimed youtube costs 5 billion a year to run back in 2019 but has never put out a solid figure or statement to the public, Entourage Marketing & Design did research in 2019 but the article seems to be down as I can’t locate the actual source. This could be inaccurate today but all information I’ve seen points to it still being single digit billions to operate year to year.
If these figures are accurate, 2USD from their claimed regular users would put them near their break even point without even considering income from advertisers or other investors and business opportunities. If they really did intend for every adult youtube user (roughly 80% of their audience) to pay them 14USD a month, that’s still over five times their operating costs alone.
Clearly, youtube is getting a lot more money from advertisers then they are from premium users, which is why they are trying to make the free to use option on their website so awful and unbearable that people will pay them directly to skip the ads (though rumblings have been going around at them finding ways to insert ads into premium user viewing experience as well.) And since the advertising side is so toxic and predatory they can tell when people are using ad blockers to avoid it, it reports back they aren’t watching ads and thus tries to prevent people from utilizing the service entirely until their participation generates money for youtube.
Not to mention, ads make so much less per user. And if you started to click on most of them they will demonetize the content creator for it.
So those 14 bucks / per user is like the user was thousand people watching hundreds of videos roughly speaking.I cancelled Spotify and use YouTube for music and videos now so it’s worth $14 to me. Just loaded all my Spotify playlists into YTM. Interface isn’t as good as other music apps, but it has a pretty insane catalog, especially for stuff like remixes and bootlegs
Fuck that shit. They’d just increase it gradually until it hit 80$. They also don’t care about the user experience playing shit ads that are some times horrific (like the recent Israel propaganda ads with war, or 1 hr + ads, or salacious ads). They also inject the ads at the worst possible spots. They should give creators that control but fuck them.
Don’t give Youtube or Google that option. This is what they want. They are ruining the internet further.
That’s the YouTube Premium Lite plan that they killed off less than a month ago.
I’d pay €1 a month. Max. If only 50 million people did the same, they’d make 50 million per month. Must be more than they make now from ads…
I think these companies are starting to run into the brick wall caused by disgusting wealth inequality and the subsequent inability to spend as frivolously as needed for a healthy economy.
Also just coming to the realization that advertising on the internet has always been done atrociously (not that RL advertising is any better but at least follows some kind of structure and isn’t thrown in your face repeatedly) and that a large swath of people do not want to deal with it or interact with it.
Rather than fix something that is clearly broken, they’d rather double down, throw money at it and make it more of a problem than admit they need to reign it in and put some common sense and sanity checks on how advertising should take place online.
Its product life cycle in their eyes came to the phase of “cash cow” . They are milking what was built in past untill there’s anything left. It was same with gaming industry. It seems inevitable once company reaches certain size (not in people count sense). That’s why we need alternative to keep things good for users.
The majority of Internet ads are ableist. I have ADHD and they’re too distracting.
I gave up and got premium. It actually works out because we’ve cancelled Disney+ and Paramount+ and switched from the Spotify family plan to the Youtube Premium family plan and we’re saving money, but I’m annoyed that I’ve resorted to this.
I actually don’t mind subscription services in general. I would rather pay a monthly fee and not get any ads.
The issue is of course with Google is that your subscription cost is not only the money you pay per month. You’re also giving them your data and many YouTubers end up putting ads inside their videos anyways.
Really what we need is a sort of Peertube service with a model that uses ads and optional subscription service (to remove ads) to generate revenue.
This revenue would first pay for all expenses to run the service and then the remainder be split between all content creators relative to how many views or subscribers each content creator manages get.
The issue with current Peertube is that video hosting is expensive. Video hosting at scale is even more so. However, with enough subscribers the math starts to even out. I don’t know at what # this becomes viable.
Open source and transparent services ran by non-profits
I would be more than happy to pay a subscription for this. I donate regularly to lichess and Wikipedia for this reason. We need to support these projects because they’re the only viable path forward, I believe, that doesn’t end in inevitable enshittification.
many YouTubers end up putting ads inside their videos anyways
Sponsorblock plugin for firefox?
You gave up and got premium. My guy.
Congratulations, you’re part of the problem.
What’s realistically the closest to YouTube today? Like Lemmy, small acorns need bigger communities 😁 Slow, but it’ll happen. It’s also not a bad thing to have people used to switching platforms every x amount of years. That aside, does a VPN work, or Newpipe?
I’m in EU, not getting any ads yet on Firefox or Newpipe.
Rumble is possibly the next populous one. A fair number of YouTubers replicate their videos on there.
I don’t know about Rumble: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/24/russia-state-media-rumble-00020184
Depends on how you consider several subjective factors, including political, economical, technological and ownership/control.
Closest to lemmy might be TILvids (Today I Learned videos) → https://tilvids.com
They use Peertube protocol (FOSS), are sustained by donations (patreon), and there is a few big FOSS influencers there already, like the french developer from The Linux Experiment.
There is a few corporations that are pretty much national versions of youtube, like Nikoniko (Japan), Rutube (Russia), VK (Russia), Bilibili (China), Aparat (Iran) etc that would be nice if they were competitors cause they already have all the infrastructure in place to receive everything in youtube in one swop if we neeeded, but alas they obviously will not be taken. (sorry nikoniko)
There is some minor corporations like Odysee, Rumble, Dailymotion, Vimeo. But they are still private profit-driven corporations, so they can go the youtube way eventually. There is some rumours that Tiktok might launch a separate app and site for youtube-style videos too, but again, it is another private corporation and controversial.
The scale of capital needed for video hosting is several orders of magnitude bigger than text and images, this is why youtube became a de facto monopoly on most parts of the world. There is several text-driven social media sites, including this one, but only one big youtube.
Nebula is the closest but it’s paid and it’s pretty hard for content creators to be invited to join. Next closest is Peertube, which NewPipe works with very well
I’ve been saying I need to get Nebula for years.
Peertube is a federated YouTube clone, like Lemmy to Reddit, or Mastodon to Twitter.
The only problem with peertube is the lack of monetisation for creators. In fact creators are more likely to have to donate to keep the platform up, especially considering it has not ads. Meaning it’s kind of the exact opposite of YouTube
The only way for it to work even remotely like YouTube would be some kind of donation revenue split - any excess revenue not used to keep the platform going goes to the creators of the videos.*
I guarantee with a video platform like that the amount creators could potentially not get much if not anything, as hosting videos is often a few times more expensive than hosting even just pictures.
Peertube only really makes sense as a self hosted archive, just in case you get banned off YouTube or want to archive your streams. That or a platform for not-for-profits to post their video content.
There are a fair number of YouTube creators who post ad-free versions of their content on Nebula. I think I got Nebula as part of a curiosity stream sub which last I checked was pretty cheap compared to the other streaming services.
