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if it can’t reach deals with generative AI companies to pay for its data.
There’s your problem, Reddit, you think it’s your data.
This sentiment sums up so much of what is wrong with modern consumer oriented tech companies
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The people using Reddit for its data have the easiest time scraping it for its data since they don’t need API access to post, comment, or moderate; it’s unfortunate that Reddit management continues to degrade the experience of the average user just to make it slightly harder for that scraping to occur.
Exactly. A large part of the issue here is that reddit tried to sell astroturfing as a service, but everyone quickly realized you can just astroturf reddit for free.
The whole “Thanos snap” thing was reddit launching that service, I am convinced.
No it cannot lmao. It’s hilarious they think otherwise.
They had a working search?
Have you ever used Reddit’s search? If yes, did you really have a positive experience with it? Personally I found it quite terrible, UX wise in particular. Many people online seem to agree. If you’re looking for something on Reddit it’s actually easier to Google and restrict the site to reddit.com
I have on several occasions copy-pasted a recent post’s exact title into reddit’s internal search and received a mountain of irrelevant results that categorically failed to contain what I’d specified verbatim. I’m pretty sure the fucking thing is just hooked up to random number generator. It’s hilariously useless.
Used it? Yes.
Successfully used it? Not even once.? If yes, did you really have a positive experience with it?
Yes. I’ve only ever used it (never google) for over a decade. No idea why others had such a bad time with it.
I didn’t even know people would use Google to search through Reddit till a few months ago. I thought everyone just used Reddits own search bar.
I’ve used it on occasion…. IMO it’s not bad at finding you something related to your query, but it pales in comparison to google for finding something specific.
About as good as Nextdoor’s.
Yes, it was Google.
Sure they did. You went to google and added site:reddit.com to your text
Inurl:reddit.com/r/subreddit
This let you search only within a specific subreddit
I think site:reddit.com/r/sub works identically, it’s what I’ve always done
Rome didn’t start putting up walls like Hadrian’s until the end of the empire. The Rome of Pax Romana had no limits.
FYI
I mean I get your point but Hadrian’s reign specifically (as well as his predecessor’s and successor’s) is considered to be the high point of the Empire
Hadrian’s wall still stands… Although in most places it’s easy to cross 😂
LMAO. The only time I visit Reddit any more is when it dominates the first page of search results. Spez has failed upwards for so long, he thinks he can fly.
Same here.
Interestingly back when myself & others were moderating subs on Reddit, & we locked the subs during the protests, the majority of PMs us mods would receive were from randoms that found a link via Google or wherever & were trying to view the post. It did make me wonder how often people browse Reddit just because they stumbled into a link via Google or whatever search engine.
I can’t see how Reddit would survive without the big search engines, without those random visitors the ad revenue would plummet.
IMO this is the best evidence yet that Spez is trying to kill the usefulness of Reddit even if it kills the platform itself in the process. Just like Musk is doing with Twitter. Free and open mass communication were in the process of turning the tide against the ruling class. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still very early in that process, but I’ve noticed a lot of things go from “you’ll be ridiculed if you question this” to “some people still try to defend it, but the ridicule is going both ways now” over the years.
So he could be incredibly stupid in a different way than I originally thought.
He was probably offered a ticket to a higher financial level. Whether he’s stupid or just corrupt will depend on whether that offer is followed through on.
My guess is he was told if he did x, y, and z to Reddit, the IPO would allow him to sell his shares at some number that he really liked.
But I don’t think he can just undo the damage he did if they change their mind about buying it at that price when the IPO comes. I don’t know if he’d even be able to talk about that without implicating himself in crimes, so it might happen.
That’s assuming he’s corrupted by the carrot and not the stick.
I think it would be more a plan to make people come to reddit to search for that kind of information. Google is destroyed by seo listicles and non advice that is referral programs.
Reddit has lots of useful data that is from users who just provide the data with no ulterior motive. That is useful to users. Currently they might search and suck in to reddit for the result but that’s hard to monetise. So Google gets the benefit. They have crap search and people don’t go there to search and users are down.
This is probably a play to try and encourage search on reddit and raise advertising dollars. However, it will likely make reddit less visible, lowering new users and infrequent users, all the while they keep losing existing users.
They are floundering. They have some ideas that aren’t terrible on the face of it but execution is awful and hostile to users.
As much as I hate Reddit, adding it to the end of nearly every google search is the only way you can get decent answers anymore, at least without having to scroll through several ad-riddled junk sites
This is gonna hurt both
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Reddit is a study in inertia. It steadily declines in quality and the users just continue to hang around and eat their shit. Reddit will be around for a long time, and stubbornly get worse every quarter. It’s pathetic.
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Sweet. I hope so. I’m tired of feeling tempted when they come up in queries.
Fuck you, Spez! Do it, you spineless chud!
Honestly after I noticed the declining users on Lemmy I started using reddit again, it just has more activity on a lot of niche communities I’m interested in.
However I still use Lemmy almost daily since I like the content and comments here more, and it’s the kind of platform I enjoy, just like the Reddit of old.
Spez is a fucking idiot.
Reddit is a better platform due to the number of users it has. No amount of optimization can make Lemmy better than reddit if there’s no enough users to create content and participate in the discussion.
I’m still not going back though. It’s not essential for me. I already spend way too much time online so if there’s one less platform to mindlessly scroll thru then that’s only a good thing. I don’t really experience FOMO because I don’t know what I’m missing out on.
IMO lemmy works best for the r/popular lurkers
Unfortunately. Most of the niche subs didn’t really migrate.
Would have been cool of there was a legal way to migrate some of the core content created by users on Reddit to Lemmy. I’m not even talking about media like images and video. Just conversations and opinion posts, guides, help and advice.
Imagine if they did it lmao. The backlash would be so fun to watch.
Every time I think it can’t possibly get any dumber … reddit proves me wrong. I have been a redditor for nearly ten years before I jumped ship and switched to Lemmy, and during that almost-decade I have used reddit’s own search function for all of fifteen minutes before giving up and using google with the keyword “reddit + whatever I wanted to find” instead. It simply sucks.
It’s all about training language models, isn’t it?
According to the article, yes. I think demanding some kind of compensation from LLM companies is reasonable but this feels like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
How can a platform be so narcissistic?!
They mistakenly believe they are a company that generates amazing content instead of being a company that hosts amazing content generated by others. It’s the same problem Twitter, Youtube, and many other content hosting platforms have.
They think they sell beer. They sell the bottles.
Awesome analogy.
To extend it: the moderators made sure the label matched the beer’s flavor.
This is an apt analogy. Because on reddit, a lot of the bottles actually turn out to be filled with piss.
Or worse.
And they screwed the best line
workersslaves who watched out for piss bottles, so the line slaves just took off
Ask Musk
That CEO has definitely shorted Reddit somehow.
To do that before the IPO is some next level shit.
It’s a good time to do it, get really high revenue and IPO before it can die out
But I don’t see how it hurts the company at all, even in this thread you find people saying “yeah but it’s popular “
Yeah.
