Israel has continued bombarding Gaza’s south despite telling 1.1 million people in the north of the besieged enclave to relocate there ahead of an expected ground offensive.
“We were displaced from Tal al-Hawa to Rafah at the request of the Israeli army, and this is what happened to us. My son is a 3-month-old martyr,” the father of a child killed in an attack in Rafah told Al Jazeera.
I’d be careful with using these numbers as they are difficult to verify and often come from Hamas themselves. That is not to dismiss lives lost but raise awareness about committing to accurate information.
Were you this skeptical about Ukraine, Xinjiang and elsewhere too, or is it just going to be a thin wrapper of Palestinian sympathy over your enforced support for Zionist Anglo empire agenda?
Here’s the problem. In making your point you can’t help yourself but make assumptions about my beliefs and stances. You should always be careful about your information sources no matter the topic at hand.
This level of nuance and care mysteriously does not exist in fake incidents USA manufactures about other countries. I wonder why…
Humans once again going batshit crazy with mass murder riding on a wave of vengeance. It’s a disease with no cure.
Our tax dollars and tax euros at work.
Shit like this is no small part of why I’d sooner serve crack that serve in the military. And there’s not a single drop of sarcasm in that statement.
Yep, on both sides. Hamas should be defunded.
You won’t hold the media you are invested in accountable for the manufacturing of consent for this, because they’re the same ones that feed you your ‘orange man bad’ content. You’ll give them a pass.
So, so tired of that rhetoric. Trump is a POS, I don’t need ‘orange man’ content to know that. He’s definitely on the top ten worst presidents list. You automatically qualify for that list when you foment an insurrection.
the rhetoric that makes you accountable for supporting media companies that manufacture consent for illegal wars. lie, and spread propaganda. yea i bet you are so tired of it.
oh my fucking god
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Killing 2000 childens… What a fucking terrorist state has those Israelians… hamas has the right to self-defense!
Get the fuck outta here you terrorist apologist fucking scumbag. PALESTINIANS have the right to self defense, but Hamas is a terrorist group that murders civilians. They can all burn in hell with Isreal’s leaders.
Palestinians are just civilians, they aren’t armed, they are not an army, they are just citizens getting murdered by a terrorist state that has been invading them from more than 70 years. HAMAS was voted by Palestine citizens, and it’s the only defense they have. The attack that HAMAS did was mainly because Israel was already invading and killing a ratio or 200/400 citizens each year, while stealing their farms, and land, that’s why HAMAS attacked the territory that in the past was just Palestine.
I said “HAMAS has the right to self-defense” as everyone is just saying “Israel has the right to self-defense” which is super unfair as Israel is the one invading and attacking from years passively and injuring Palestinians.
Again, Palestinians are mostly citizens, they aren’t armed to be able to defend themselves, they almost can’t have a voice.
You say “terrorist” too easily.
Hamas has been firing thousands of rockets at Isreali cities every single year since they came into existence, and Hamas’ stated goal is the eradication of Jews. The only reason Isreali casualties aren’t higher than Palestines is Isreal has the iron dome.
Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Hamas has been firing rockets into Israel since well before the current apartheid.
that is the most laughably ignorant statement I’ve seen all day
Who started the 1948 Arab-Israeli war?
From Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas):
In early February 2006, Hamas offered Israel a ten-year truce “in return for a complete Israeli withdrawal from the occupied Palestinian territories: the West Bank, Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem,”[183] and recognition of Palestinian rights including the “right of return”.
As far as I know, Israel didn’t wanted peace.
Israel gave land back to the Palestinians before, and the Palestinians just used that to attack from closer to Israeli cities. The Palestinians have never wanted peace.
Let’s remember how Nelson Mandela was on a terrorism watch list.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/12/07/why-nelson-mandela-was-on-a-terrorism-watch-list-in-2008/
https://time.com/5338569/nelson-mandela-terror-list/The first bomb attack in Palestine, the first time the word “terrorist” appeared on the news, was by Zionist a “Jewish right-wing underground movement” organization reference https://www.britannica.com/topic/Irgun-Zvai-Leumi:
https://www.jordantimes.com/opinion/lina-gress/1946-explosion-king-david-hotel-jerusalem-personal-story“By a jew organization”. Racist loaded fucking language there, buddy. You clearly hsve some biases yourself. And remind me of when Nelson Mandela murdered people fleeing for their lives?
Why saying “By a jew organization” is being racist? English isn’t my first language, so I probably didn’t write it properly.
EDIT: Didn’t want to offend anyone, sorry for that. Also, Nelson Mandela fought against racism, didn’t he? I don’t know why I still talk with you.
You probably want to say Israeli or zionist not Jewish. There are a large minority of Jewish folks who want Israel to stop existing or at least stop existing as an apartheid state
I just wanted to point this. As they seem to call terrorist only because of some misinformation on news, Israel and Hamas are both bad but Israel people aren’t terrified like Palestine is with the attacks of the other side.
Irgun committed acts of terrorism and assassination against the British, whom it regarded as illegal occupiers, and it was also violently anti-Arab. Irgun participated in the organization of illegal immigration into Palestine after the publication of the British White Paper on Palestine (1939), which severely limited immigration. Irgun’s violent activities led to execution of many of its members by the British; in retaliation, Irgun executed British army hostages. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Irgun-Zvai-Leumi
I’m not racist, being racist is pretty stupid at my point.
Calling it Zionist would be the correct take. There are a lot of anti Zionist Jewish people and just regular folks who have nothing to do with Israel.
Okay, I just took the reference from https://www.britannica.com/topic/Irgun-Zvai-Leumi which says it’s “Jewish right-wing underground movement”. Thanks.
Israel is using terrorist means. This time we are the terrorists
No personal attacks please.
Terrorist apologists must be destroyed in sight.
Good luck destroying terrorist apologists from your basement.
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Well, for me, you are the terrorist apologist. Calling Israel to kill all the citizens in Gaza… they did nothing.
They do support Hamas. That is a fact.
Any person from Israel from age 16 up to 70 are forced to be listed on the army as reservist, Israel citizens are part of their army (as reservists) while Palestine citizens aren’t, at least not those 2000 children. Hamas was voted by Palestine in 2006, so yeah. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/10/israel-military-draft-reservists/
If you live in USA or EU your government is ok with this
Since I live in the USA, actually we fund it to the tune of several billion a year and then some.
You think we like our governments?
Most around you do.
The last time the UK had a government approved by more than 50% of the voters was 1931.
Where is the socialist revolution, then, that overthrows the undemocratic government?
The problem is the other 60%+ all want different things.
The only thing that unites them is they don’t want what we currently have.
The consequences of a “western democracy” in which critical thinking is systematically genocided so that the masses always stay individualist neutered puppets of state…
An upvote from me is worth ten downvotes from them. Unfortunately this is not reflected in your numbers due to limitations of the platform.
1.67 "9/11"s worth of death, in retaliation for 0.47 "9/11"s worth of dead on Oct 7th.
Or, with 9/11= 2977 and the Iraq war killing 187,000 civilians, we get a ~63:1 misplaced retaliation vs. initial attack ratio. So the one could extrapolate from the 1400 dead on Oct 7th that 88,200 innocent people in Gaza will need to be killed to quench the IDF’s rage.
Nothing will ever quench their rage. It’s all they have.
Equally importantly, they never cared about the lives of people in Gaza. We see this all the time in war… If killing 63 number of enemies will save even 1 of our own lives, we’ll do it. Doesn’t matter if it’s 63, or 6,300, or 630,000, because the enemies’ lives aren’t worth anything to them.
Israel has been governed by far right ultra-nationalist racists for decades now and Arabs are üntermensch in their eyes, especially Palestinians, hency why they have an Arab Israeli Citizenship separate from the Jewish Israeli Citizenship and with fewer rights and why they have very openly called them “human animals”.
It’s “Untermenschen”, plural and the prefix doesn’t have an umlaut.
It’s also a misnomer because antisemitism is a central point of Nazism. The correct term here is “gentile”, the Zionist version of infidel.
It’s a class of people, so in the singular (i.e. “Subhuman”), though the correct way to do it in German would be Untermensch (i.e. first letter capitalized). This is consistent with how racial superiority mindsets dehumanize the “other” so they don’t address them as individuals and instead will describe then as type of people hence singular (the type) not plural (multiple individuals).
If you look up the Nazi version of how they describe those they saw as inferior races, it’s Der Untermensch, not Die untermenschen.
(Cheers for correcting my spelling, by the way).
The inherent racial superiority of one’s own ethnic group is a common theme in far-right ideologies and the use of Untermensch by the Nazis was most definitelly not limited to Jews (ask any Slav or, even better, Roma).
Most definitelly from the outside the de facto behaviour of those in the Israeli government (and in other groups’ such as the military and colonists) seems rooted in the broader feeling of cultural and racial superiority, transcending the “mere” religious kind, so in my opinion the use of Subhuman (or Untermensch, to show the cross-cultural ressonances) rather than merely “Gentile” or “Infidel” seems appropriate.
That said, whilst the rabid racism in Israel does ressonate with that in Nazi Germany, the broader expression of the far-right in the former is most definitelly not the same as in that historical latter and not just because the racial group they treat as superior, and those they treat as inferior, are different: so far Appartheid is the more correct form of describing the expression of racism through the machine of the State and Civil Society in Israel, IMHO, even if the underlying mindset when it comes to beliefs of inherent racial superiority is the same, because its’ expression has been mainly through second class citizen treatment, bullying by the State or with endorsement of the State and frequent closing of eyes by the Authorities to murders across racial lines one way (but not the other) like in Appartheid, not outright extermination like in Nazism.
Hopefully it will not go beyond that, though once this new invasion of Gaza really gets going, it might very well be that we get a genocide of historical proportions, at which point merelly describing it as Appartheid will not be enough.
If I translated your sentence to German, I would either use Untermenschen or untermenschlich. Referring to a group of people with a singular noun feels weird. But then again, it wouldn’t surprise me if that was the point and is thus the correct usage.
Well, after reading your previous post I looked it up and there is literally a book called “Der Untermensch” and that’s described as “how the Nazis described the Jews, Slavs and Roma” (all of which were persecuted by them).
I am not fluent in German and didn’t live in Germany long enough to pick up that kind of subtle language rules, so wasn’t aware that it sounds really wierd in German. It would also sound really wierd in my own motherthougue, Portuguese, and we would be using the equivalents of the words you used in German, though using the singular form is gramatically valid and definitelly carries an old-fashioned racist tone.
I suspect that using that form (at least as a book title) was most definitelly purposeful and for maximum distancing from the target group, a bit like an 18th century racist might title a book “The African”.
You missed something in your math there. IDF is considering the October 7th attack as “10 time worse than 9/11” so up those numbers close to 900,000. Maybe make it 911,911 for the fun propaganda value. With more than half of the 2.2 million Gaza population (although maybe we should start counting the West Bank killings as it is ramping up, too) being children and seeing how Israeli government doesn’t discriminate , maybe they can quench their bloodthrist with young blood alone, even.
America has a population that is 35 larger than Israel. If America had lost the same percentage of their population as Israel did on Oct 7th, it would be ~49,420 dead, or the equivalence of 16 "9/11"s. That is why Biden said 10 times worse than 9/11.
Iraq currently has a population of 43.5 million. 187k is 0.42% of it’s population. If we do it by percent of population, Gaza has 2 million people, so the retaliation would kill “only” 8,600.
Why would you calculate this as a percentage of population? Do you really think the population numbers of a nation have any relevance to the value of a human life?
Biden called it “Ten 9/11s” because of percent of population. I would have called it “0.47 9/11s”, as each human life is equally valid. But as impact on the whole, Oct 7th was a larger percent of the population of the country than 9/11, so it is having a much larger impact with only half as many dead.
I also hope that the numbers that die in retaliation are as low as possible, and percent population numbers gave a smaller needed “revenge” killing. Wish it was zero, but we are, underneath it all, rage-full apes with explosives.
A certain side thinks “they have no value if their skin is a brown hue”
Oh, so good news, the blood fugue is close to an end. I was worried this would get worse. /s
It’s baffling to me why this blood ratio is circulating so much in the news. Did the Las Vegas shooter kill the American equivalent of 1.8 Israelis?
Why not count the Afghans too? People keep forgetting that happened for some reason… Which is weird considering they were the first ones to be attacked in retaliation and Iraq wasn’t an answer to 9/11…
People absolutely saw Iraq as retaliation for 9/11 too. The bush admin repeatedly lied about Iraq having ties to Al Qaeda.
Those pesky weapons of mass destruction hidden all over Iraq just had to be destroyed! Evidence? What evidence? We don’t need evidence!!
Weapons of mass destruction
We ma-de … it up?
🤯
People are ignoring the afghans are about to be openly genocided to the tune of 1.4 million by the Pakistani government.
Too busy focusing on Israel.
I remember protesting the Iraq war as a teen. What a fucking monster the U.S. has become.
Cryptofascists will cite dead children to justify slaughtering many times more children in retaliation, each and every time, because they see those that are killed in that retaliation as less than human.
So will hexbears. They justify the slaughtering of ukrainian children with “america bad too”
What does this have to do with cryptography??
I assume you’re joking but just in case you’re not (or for the sake of people reading this that didn’t catch it) by crypto- as a prefix I mean deceptively veiled fascist ideology that pretends to be something else or justified in some ostensibly politically acceptable way.
Why assume he’s joking? It’s probably the first time many are hearing that term.
Because I assumed that not many would immediately associate cryptofascism with cryptography.
I was not joking. If you say “crypto” without specifying, then you’d expect cryptography.
This chapter on photovoltaics says nothing at all about composiiton, foreground, perspective. What a useless book!
Noo half are children their lives matter more click our article pls
That’s antisemitism /s
I’m honestly just so depressed.
Me too.
I’m both sad and very angry about the situation, nothing news worthy so far makes me feel so powerless.
Think of what Palestinians are going through if you feel this way. I had to stop looking at the corpses and small children being torn apart. But I don’t regret it, it only made my resolve stronger to counter the lies.
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I mean, we know they shoot thousand of missiles into Gaza so yes a lot of people die. And given there’s a lot of kids. Kids die too.
Which is why war is the ultimate atrocity that humans can commit. Worse than child abuse, worse than rape - war is the result of sick minds corrupted beyond any hope of redemption.
I feel like war can be explained better than just the result of bad people doing bad things, and more so about contradictions. If, after all is said and done in this genocide, we are only able to deduce that the cause was bad people doing bad things, we aren’t doing our due diligence. We’d be better off trying to understand how the contradictions between Israel and Palestine such as religion, material conditions, age, ethnicity, geopolitical stances… made genocide the only solution for Israel. And more importantly, how to avoid it. Theres too much history here for me to wave my hand and blame some enigmatic force of “evil”.
I mean you’re right of course, buy even if they’d doubled the number… would 2500 deaths be ok?
Nope. None of this is acceptable. At the same time, I don’t like people just passing on figures from Hamas that are questionable at best. Facts matter.
Throw yourself into a hole
The average age in Gaza is like 18. Of course about half of the deaths are going to be children
Something like 54% of the Gaza population is under 24.
Which organization has the resources to send someone to check, that doesn’t have an agenda?
I recognize that you’re not explicitly defending Israel; you’re merely criticizing one institution that operates under Hamas rule.
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In Gaza?
I’m fairly confident that the Palestinian Authority has no real control of anything in Gaza. Fatah and Hamas literally had a minor civil war over the issue in 2006 and 2007.
Ah, only Hamas has an agenda huh. IDF doesn’t have an agenda, Netanyahu doesn’t have an agenda, the US government and associated media organizations don’t have an agenda…only Hamas has the agenda huh.
Well yea, it’s only propaganda when the people I don’t like do it. Just because what I believe and what I question lines up perfectly with
doesn’t mean anything!
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Do you think this is outside of the expected number of deaths at this point?
Israel usually kills 10-20 Palestinians for every Israeli killed, so we can expect about 15-30k total Palestinian deaths from this, most of whom will be civilians.
I expect the number of deaths per day is going to ramp up once the hospitals and food centers run out of resources.
My estimation predicted 88k, with a 63:1 ratio.
An agenda of informing the world of how Palestinians are facing a century long and on-going genocide
Centuries long? You’re mixing them up with Jewish people?
I said century, not centuries. The state of Israel was formed in the 1940s, nearly a century ago.
Gaza’s population is near 40 % children (people under 18). Israel has lobbed thousands of bombs at an urban area with population density comparable to New York. What part of this do you find hard to believe?
Gaza’s nearly 50% people under 18 actually. The 40% number is for people under 15
