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Generally speaking, a blackjack table will run with 5-10 decks in the shoe. So counting isn’t as effective, because the odds are diluted by volume.
Also, folks will often use aids to count cards, because keeping track in your head is difficult. What most people get thrown out for are carrying these aids.
This here is the answer. Unless you’re scouting a table for a long while, you generally won’t know how many in the shoe. That, mixed with the fact that mentally keeping track of 250-500 individual cards, not only is near impossible without an aid; you would also only have so many opportunities to “know” what cards are left. Thus, the 30 cameras pointed at you and identifying that you’ve been playing the same table for hours, they’re going to know.
In reality, the casino industries current weak point is their electronics, specifically the slots. The software running on those things has been proven to be about as vulnerable as a payphone, and people have been caught running schemes on them.
They can kick out anyone they want.
While that is true anon is fucking retarded and they don’t kick you out for counting cards mentally, only if you are using a device to assist you.
Edit: everyone downvoting me and responding really believes what they show in movies huh?
No, there are professional card counters that the casinos are aware of that they let play even knowing they are counting cards because it attracts other people to the table. As long as they are not raking in tens of thousands of dollars in a single night they do not kick out card counters.
Source - I worked at a fucking casino in Vegas you inbreds.
My down vote was because you whined about votes
Uhhh… yes they do. The people watching the cameras all count cards so they know when you’re doing it. If they see you betting along with the count they will ask you to leave.
No, they’ll kick you out for doing it without a machine too, fuck I mean there’s a movie on it.
But I call bullshite because they made card counting useless by playing with multiple decks.
Automatic shufflers and using 3 or 4 decks, make the benefit from cardcounting almost zero.
Na. 3-4 deck just means your plus count needs to be higher before your betting weight should be going up. You also need to play more hands over time for it to average out too.
So if your waiting for +8 or +10 before leaning, you would wait for +20 or so.
It’s when they use 6+ decks then it kind of becomes moot.
How do you count with automatic shufflers though? Even if you count one hand, the next one one you’d have to reset…
You can’t count against a continuous shuffler machine.
Na. 6+ decks just means your plus count needs to be higher before your betting weight should be going up. You also need to play more hands over time for it to average out too.
So if your waiting for +20 before leaning, you would wait for +300 or so.
It’s when they use 20+ decks then it kind of becomes moot.
Na. 20+ decks just means your plus count needs to be higher before your betting weight should be going up. You also need to play more hands over time for it to average out too.
So if your waiting for +180 before leaning, you would wait for +4000 or so.
It’s when they use 200+ decks then it kind of becomes moot.
Words, numbers. Moot.
The house always wins is enough reason to never go near any casino
Guaranteed step by step guide to making money at the roulette wheel;
Step 1: Open a casino
With diligent tracking of the ratio of face cards to nonface cards played and the number of cards left in the shoe one can gain a very slight edge at Blackjack. It’s grueling but possible, I lived off Blackjack winnings until the actual work of it wore me down.
How is it allowed? It’s their casino. They’re there to make money off you, which is why everything stacks in their favor and any games involving any actual skill are hobbled severely and using any gets you banned.
Now if you ask “how are casinos allowed” I’ll ask right along with you. They are immoral and predatory - not literal fraud but it gets close, and either way it’s treating people with addiction as cash cows.
This isn’t universally true, though. For example, in America there was a New Jersey supreme court case that concluded that discrimination against card counters is not allowed, so they use tricks to make life harder for card counters.
Most places will let a casino choose to accept or reject customers at will (as long as there is no illegal discrimination of course) but laws are different all over the world. If you’re smart enough to count cards, you’re smart enough to look up local laws and you’re smart enough to know what games are rigged against your favour.
If you’re smart enough to count cards, you’re smart enough to look up local laws and you’re smart enough to know what games are rigged against your favour.
Not even remotely true. Smart people can be incredibly dumb.
