• Michelle Hughes
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    312 years ago

    @Five

    “Well hey, now, let’s not get hasty. If you investigate me for crimes, you will find that I committed crimes! That would be bad for mee. Is that really what you want?”

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      Are you seriously suggesting that a company (tesla) that does 50 billion in sales is NOT worth three times the value a company that does 250 billion (toyota)?

      The Tesla valuation is such a fucking joke. They are a “bigger” company that Toyota, Honda, or Ford despite not even doing a fraction of their outright sales, and likely making less on every single one of those sales. Their only advantage is that they were making electric cars before it made economic sense to make them. Now that everyone else is jumping in they are going to die on the vine because people can get a real EV that costs half of a Tesla and actually works.

      Tesla DID have a chance of leveraging their early market presence by either introducing a higher quality or cheaper vehicle that could compete with their new competitors. Their existing presence could have captured enough of the market to stand against them if they had a product that was in the same league. Instead they made the fucking Cybertruck.

  • Mina
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    12 years ago

    @Five

    The SEC might also look into the question, whether repeated false claims about Tesla’s self-driving capabilities had an impact on the company’s share price.

  • frog 🐸
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    512 years ago

    So, basically… “an investigation into whether we lied to customers in order to sell them stuff would have an impact on our business”. Well, yeah, that’s true. Shockingly, customers don’t like being lied to about the quality of the goods they’re buying, and hearing that there’s enough indication of lying to warrant a full probe into it would make future customers hesitant to buy. While wrongdoing hasn’t been proven yet, I can’t imagine this probe would be happening “just in case” Tesla lied - there must have been a high volume of complaints from customers who aren’t happy. The precedent set by not investigating would be awful. It’d basically say businesses can claim whatever they like about their products, because being caught lying about them would always have the consequence of “material adverse impact on our business”.

  • TomMasz
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    472 years ago

    For a “genius”, he sure is slow on the uptake.

      • @[email protected]
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        172 years ago

        I have to wonder if the entire concept of the business savvy billionaire is just a case of survivorship bias. Not for all of them, but a lot.

        I mean, if you get the population of the civilized world together and have them start flipping coins, plenty of people are going to get heads 20 times in a row. Or if they’re from a rich family maybe they only have to get 10 heads in a row.

        (Used round numbers for illustration. 20 heads in a row is only about 1 in a million, 10 heads is one in a thousand.)

        • @[email protected]
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          102 years ago

          It’s more like, it costs a lot of money to get a chance to flip those coins in the first place, so someone who’s already rich to begin with will get many more tries.

          • @[email protected]
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            62 years ago

            Yep. I was going to write that maybe somebody like Warren Buffett would stand out as the real deal who is consistent and could do it again. But even if that’s true and he is 100% unique skill, he STILL got very lucky by birth.

  • Storksforlegs
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    682 years ago

    “If you tell our customers we misled them, that would be bad for our business!”

    • @[email protected]
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      12 years ago

      So the purpose of a federal investigation is to ensure the thing being investigated is shut down by the investigation?

      • @[email protected]
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        72 years ago

        If the offense is found to violate federal law, there should indeed be consequences. Hence the investigation part — to determine the extent.

        That’s how enforcing law works.

    • Maeve
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      12 years ago

      Only for prime under a certain income threshold.