@Five 🎻
@ianbetteridge @aral @Five For those wondering just like me, the answer is a bit complicated, but in terms of settlements paid:
On 28 June 2016, Volkswagen agreed to pay $15.3 billion to settle the various public and private civil actions in the United States, the largest settlement ever of an automobile-related consumer class action in United States history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal#Private_actions
@noodlejetski @aral @Five The cutest version 😆
@noodlejetski @aral @Five reminds me of Reservoir Dogs.
Well yeah buddy, that’s why you used fraud to increase profits.
I get a kick out of liberal people defending liberals.
I guess this is approaching the “find out” phase.
VW/Audi group fucked around with emission tests, and they found out.They found out what? Their business wasn’t affected at all as far as I can tell. They should have been broken up and shut down but instead they got caught doing the same thing AGAIN.
So yeah, not sure what Tesla is going to find out other than “money means you can get away with anything”, which Musk already knows well.
And just to be clear, I own a Tesla. I just got it back from the shop after ELEVEN MONTHS because those fucking tools would rather sell more cars on false promises than divert some parts to repair the cars they’ve already sold. I love that car but I’m selling it. Nobody should go anywhere near Tesla cars until they get their supply chain shit together.
Did they loan you another car during that time, or were you stuck paying on a car you couldn’t use for 11 months? I’d consider suing if it was the latter.
It was absolutely the latter. And I absolutely would sue if I didn’t have serious health issues (hello, cancer!) to deal with instead. It takes a lot of time and effort to deal with something like that, and that’s just not in the cards right now.
Damn. Best of luck is about as useful as thoughts and prayers. I’m sending it anyway because it’s all I’ve got.
I’m sorry about your condition. Beat the shit out of it!
A lot of businesses get away with shit, but the emissions scandal did lead to some big fines and criminal investigations into the upper most management level.
Fines always and already rolled into projected cost of business expenses.
Yes, they found out that there’s no real drawback to falsifying statements.
@Five Cry me a river Elon Musk
@Five Oh good.
What he means is that being found out for lying will impact how much people believe him.
Well no shit Sherlock.
Is that how that works? /s
Why are there so many comments that start with “@five”? I feel like there’s something about how the site works that I’m misunderstanding. Isn’t the user who posted the article automatically notified when someone posts a comment?
appears to be mastodon users simply formatting their responses as if this was a mastodon (microblog) post instead of lemmy post, which is nbd.
I think that’s from mastodon users, and how mastodon works when replying. I haven’t personally used mastodon though, so someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
That’s correct. @[email protected] discovered and boosted the post, and it snowballed across the Tootiverse. They’re all pinging @Five because that’s how Mastodon does post replies.
That’s annoying.
It’s somewhat annoying but also really interesting that the two interop relatively well due to their use of a common protocol (ActivityPub). I mean imagine Twitter users being able to browse and comment on Reddit posts directly on Twitter - that’s essentially what’s happening.
It’s probably not too difficult to modify Lemmy to hide mentions that are at the start of a comment, which would solve the issue.
Looking forward to the mob using that as a legal defense.
Oh no! Anyway.
For a “genius”, he sure is slow on the uptake.
He sure is lucky for someone so stupid.
I have to wonder if the entire concept of the business savvy billionaire is just a case of survivorship bias. Not for all of them, but a lot.
I mean, if you get the population of the civilized world together and have them start flipping coins, plenty of people are going to get heads 20 times in a row. Or if they’re from a rich family maybe they only have to get 10 heads in a row.
(Used round numbers for illustration. 20 heads in a row is only about 1 in a million, 10 heads is one in a thousand.)
It’s more like, it costs a lot of money to get a chance to flip those coins in the first place, so someone who’s already rich to begin with will get many more tries.
So much of it is luck, starting from birth onwards.
Yep. I was going to write that maybe somebody like Warren Buffett would stand out as the real deal who is consistent and could do it again. But even if that’s true and he is 100% unique skill, he STILL got very lucky by birth.
He won the birth lottery, as it were
The world tends to find that having an extraordinarily wealthy parent makes its own luck.
That’s the point Tesla… next time dont lie about your range.
Honestly the range isn’t even an issue. Yes they did something wrong, but IMO in terms of misleading customers it’s not at the top of the list long list. They have all this horseshit about “full self driving” that they stick all over their website with pretty animations and graphics.
Then you actually read into it and the fine text says “oh by the way, it’s technically just a slightly suicidal/homicidal level 2 ADAS that nobody has signed off on, and that Tesla can yank it out from under you at any time, and thst WILL be conveniently forgotten about and valued at $0 if you decide to trade in your car with tesla, but it’s cool brosky just do it for the likes”
A lot of the venture capitalist driven industry has been fueled by an ask for forgiveness not permission move fast and break thing philosophy tesla included. It’s about time the law start catching up with them instead of caving to their will because its a TOTALLY NEW idea because an app is involved.
Exactly. Unfortunately “move fast and break things” has some disadvantages when it comes to driving in traffic.
