Microsoft develops ultra durable glass plates that can store several TBs of data for 10000 years::Project Silica’s coaster-size glass plates can store unaltered data for thousands of years, creating sustainable storage for the world

  • @[email protected]
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    72 years ago

    I can already see the future where warlords fight over the pretty glass buried in vaults across the land so they can whittle it down into jewelry they use to decorate the skull chalices of their enemies in order to pour out libations to the magic forces from the sky that govern their lives…

    • kamenLady.
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      62 years ago

      You can make a jar out of this glass, the good ending.

      • You’ll have your porn literally in you
  • @[email protected]
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    42 years ago

    I remember reading abiut this possibly 10 years ago or more. It’s insane how long it’s been in development

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      0.1% of the intended storage duration?

      Given the 20 years of development between the first VTR and VHS, the 100% development to storage lifetime of that technology seems pretty large in comparison.

      Also, how silly would it be if we put things into glass for 10,000 years and then 5 years later there’s a format war like VHS vs Beta and we need to redo everything?

      Intelligent life in the future will find 10,000 year old records from present day humanity and be so frustrated by the multiple competing formats over the first 100 of those years that they won’t even bother trying to read it.

      Of all the things to take time with to get right, extremely long term storage seems like one of the more prudent.

        • @[email protected]
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          12 years ago

          They were, but odds are a future generation of glass storage will be too. CDs started off as a hard WORM ROM, but eventually a rewriting process was developed. I just checked, CDs are from 1982, and CD-RW were introduced in 1997, so I would likely expect about the same turnaround of ~15 years from when these are released to the public.

  • @[email protected]
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    1072 years ago

    Archeologist in 1000 years: "this glass has some interesting etching, must have had some religious significance.

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    92 years ago

    Would you eventually be able to get data printed and have the plates sent to you, so you can store them yourself in a safe place?

    This would be a great option for preserving the source media for films and videos, for example. Not just the finished product, but every take etc.

    • @[email protected]
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      82 years ago

      Data is data, you could store anything there. The question is if this would eventually reach some sort of consumer market. By the looks of it it’s in a very early stage (where all equipment to read and write is still in RnD phase) so it’s not where you can have a sata cable attached to it in your pc.

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    2262 years ago

    Of all the stuff I’ve seen in sci fi movies and tv shows, I really didn’t think the computer chips on glowing transparent plates was gonna become reality. What a crazy world this is.

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    252 years ago

    It seems like it would make for a great replacement for Tape Backups that are currently used for long term storage. They are easy to write to but hard to read from and restore. It’ll probably be a great technology to put backups on especially if it lasts as long as they say. The challenge will probably come in with the specialized reading and writing laser / microscopes being expensive.

    • @[email protected]
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      152 years ago

      According to the article, they’re using their AI cloud service to decode the data, so it’s also likely so computationally expensive to decode that it won’t be practical. Seems more like a gimmick to woo investors that won’t actually ever see real world use, at least not any time soon. I suppose you could make the argument that you can back up data on it now, and hope reading it becomes more practical later, but then it’s more of a supplement to tape backup, rather than a replacement.

      • @[email protected]
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        82 years ago

        There is certainly an element of this being PR for Microsoft. But it is worth considering that a huge amount of computing is done in large data centers.

        I think this fact could easily jump-start the use of a technology such as this. If it starts out where every large to mid-sized data center has a reader and writer shared among their thousands of customers it certainly would make it more viable.

        I would guess the AI service is MS’s way of trying to make sure they control the technology. Hopefully, it eventually can get replaced by a local AI model rather than MS’s proprietary AI.

      • @[email protected]
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        102 years ago

        using their AI cloud service to decode the data

        The hell does that even mean? Is it a model that convinces people it’s decrypting data while taking guesses based on the training set?

        • @[email protected]
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          62 years ago

          My guess is it’s an attempt to build long term a subscription service model behind the idea. No subscription, equals it can’t be read or some contrived bs to leech more money out of users/governments of the encoding/decoding technology.

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    1962 years ago

    “Project Silica’s goal is to write data in a piece of glass and store it on a shelf until it is needed. Once written, the data inside the glass is impossible to change.”

    Very important note here.

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      If the glass is nothing special, each piece would cost cents and be like burning CD’s back in the day, except infinitely recyclable.

      What’s more important is the time and cost to read and write.

    • @[email protected]
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      352 years ago

      “Bob, why the hell did you format this as ‘Jim sux dicks’?! You know that’s permanent, right?”

      10K years later

      Alien captain: Anything to report?

      Alien: We need to find a being named “Jim”, sir…

      • Richard
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        32 years ago

        Why so negative? It could just as well be humans that find such a thing 10K years later

    • Pyr
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      172 years ago

      Backup wikipedia once a year to a crystal and then civilizations thousands of years from now can comb through it as they wish.

      • @[email protected]
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        12 years ago

        This… well roughly. People here say muh file formats etc. But you’re really going for the maximum lifetime, if its uncompressed text, it wouldn’t be too hard to reverse engineer if future people figure out that there’s data on there at all. The harder part may be extracting the data at all. We could also include instructions on how certain file formats can be read.

        It’s is is still a great long term archive storage, and more likely the data would be transfered to a better storage device within a few 100 years (if we’re talking about archiving the present for future archologists that is)

        • Pyr
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          22 years ago

          How amazing would it be if we came across some tomb that was just filled with thousands of scrolls detailing the whole history of Rome and Greece and all those other empires from the BC years?

    • @[email protected]
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      512 years ago

      So it’s great for archival storage. This is exactly the type of thing I’m interested in if it was cheap enough.

        • @[email protected]
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          72 years ago

          My media collection. I really only need like 50 years tops. At which point I’ll be dead or to senile to enjoy it. Unless I can back up my own consciousness onto it. Then… That.

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            22 years ago

            Interesting replies but I’m just wondering what file format to use.

            Don’t we have troubles opening stuff from 4-5 os versions ago?

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              32 years ago

              I don’t have anything I can’t open and I’ve got stuff from 20+ years ago. I don’t even have to go out of my way to have applications that are compatible with it. If I did run across something I would just build a VM with whatever software I needed to open it. Just have to keep in mind what software you’ll need and back that up as well.

            • Arsecroft
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              32 years ago

              Interesting replies but I’m just wondering what file format to use.

              ascii + markdown for text if you’re from the US

              Don’t we have troubles opening stuff from 4-5 os versions ago?

              Yeah, but that is because people want to make money and so make their file formats difficult to understand on purpose.

              Whatever creatures discover our mystical tablets will hopefully be far smarter than us, or they’ll use the sum of human knowledge to tile their bathrooms.

          • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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            122 years ago

            Wouldn’t that be funny to be tasked with getting the data off a 10 000 year old piece of glass only for it to be dragon/car vore?

            • @[email protected]
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              72 years ago

              Researcher in 10000 years: “Woah! You thought those ‘ancient greeks’ were weird? Look at this shit!”

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        CDs aren’t expected to last more than 100 years in storage.

        This is more like stone tablets for the future.

    • @[email protected]
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      462 years ago

      True, but being very easy to make would hopefully keep costs down, allowing you to have multiple plates.

      Also, this may not be for home use but companies that need to store data for years.

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    712 years ago

    Logs into the SilicaArk long term storage system for the first time.

    “Welcome Andy, would you like to use the optimistic theme or the pessimistic theme?”

    Chooses optimistic. Types in command to show storage capacity.

    “The glass is half full.”