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Microsoft develops ultra durable glass plates that can store several TBs of data for 10000 years::Project Silica’s coaster-size glass plates can store unaltered data for thousands of years, creating sustainable storage for the world
This is also the 10,000th time I’ve heard about this so there is that…
It’s working!
I almost literally yawned reading the title. “Journalists” regurgitating things they don’t understand and hyping them everytime like it’s the breakthrough of the century. I feel it waters down actual breakthroughs and makes people immune or at least apathetic to these stories because it’s the same thing over and over.
Ah, but did you know
THEY DID SURGERY ON A GRAPE
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That’s Glass-R but fot a few bucks more you can get a Glass-RW
Just watch out for Glass-RAM, it doesn’t work in most drives.
Excuse me, I was looking to download more glass RAM. Is it free?
So its cd but fom the future
CDs aren’t expected to last more than 100 years in storage.
This is more like stone tablets for the future.
True, but being very easy to make would hopefully keep costs down, allowing you to have multiple plates.
Also, this may not be for home use but companies that need to store data for years.
I could see applications for home use. Media backup comes to mind.
My great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandson is really gonna love this 36K remaster of Shrek. I know I would
Haha maybe they will. I was thinking more like family photos.
Your great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great who?
All that time copying greats, no time deciding on WHO. My future progeny are doomed
That’s roughly 1,500 years of descendants. Well past even Futurama’s time!
Backup wikipedia once a year to a crystal and then civilizations thousands of years from now can comb through it as they wish.
This… well roughly. People here say muh file formats etc. But you’re really going for the maximum lifetime, if its uncompressed text, it wouldn’t be too hard to reverse engineer if future people figure out that there’s data on there at all. The harder part may be extracting the data at all. We could also include instructions on how certain file formats can be read.
It’s is is still a great long term archive storage, and more likely the data would be transfered to a better storage device within a few 100 years (if we’re talking about archiving the present for future archologists that is)
How amazing would it be if we came across some tomb that was just filled with thousands of scrolls detailing the whole history of Rome and Greece and all those other empires from the BC years?
So it’s great for archival storage. This is exactly the type of thing I’m interested in if it was cheap enough.
What kind of files would you use so it could be read in 10 000 years?
All my porn
Wouldn’t that be funny to be tasked with getting the data off a 10 000 year old piece of glass only for it to be dragon/car vore?
Researcher in 10000 years: “Woah! You thought those ‘ancient greeks’ were weird? Look at this shit!”
My media collection. I really only need like 50 years tops. At which point I’ll be dead or to senile to enjoy it. Unless I can back up my own consciousness onto it. Then… That.
Interesting replies but I’m just wondering what file format to use.
Don’t we have troubles opening stuff from 4-5 os versions ago?
Interesting replies but I’m just wondering what file format to use.
ascii + markdown for text if you’re from the US
Don’t we have troubles opening stuff from 4-5 os versions ago?
Yeah, but that is because people want to make money and so make their file formats difficult to understand on purpose.
Whatever creatures discover our mystical tablets will hopefully be far smarter than us, or they’ll use the sum of human knowledge to tile their bathrooms.
You want me to store my consciousness in plain text?
base64
I don’t have anything I can’t open and I’ve got stuff from 20+ years ago. I don’t even have to go out of my way to have applications that are compatible with it. If I did run across something I would just build a VM with whatever software I needed to open it. Just have to keep in mind what software you’ll need and back that up as well.
XML/HTML
and for your next question: Wikipedia.
So what was my question?
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“Bob, why the hell did you format this as ‘Jim sux dicks’?! You know that’s permanent, right?”
10K years later
Alien captain: Anything to report?
Alien: We need to find a being named “Jim”, sir…
Why so negative? It could just as well be humans that find such a thing 10K years later
Unlikely at the rate we’re going. I’d give us 100 years, at most.
We’ve got lots of Roman dick drawings, so it’s our turn to leave our mark on the future
If the glass is nothing special, each piece would cost cents and be like burning CD’s back in the day, except infinitely recyclable.
What’s more important is the time and cost to read and write.
Gonna need a full 10,000 year UAT period thanks
Is it durable just because it’s thick, or can we use this tech in mobile screens too?
I don’t think it’s that type of “durable.” I think they mean you can read from it forever without having to rewrite the data, which currently isn’t true of platter and solid state storage. This isn’t screen technology, though, it’s storage technology, so I’m not sure the comparison is useful.
I think they were talking about making the screen also a storage device but yeah doesn’t seem possible with this tech at least.
Good point, maybe. But yeah, this isn’t rewritable media, this is archival data storage.
What are you going to read it with? Unless it’s photographically reduced text, like microfiche, it’s unlikely that the computer hardware and software will still exist.
I want to know how many times they had to test it before they found one that lasted so long
Nobody uses a 6502 with commodore basic anymore either, I can still pop on an emulator in about 10 seconds to run a game from that era.
Have some information there to build a reader, we can read hieroglyphics and cuneiform and that’s older, more primitive and only written in a few places by a few people.
This is pretty doable.
Is this what Hal 9000’s memories were stored on?
Didn’t intel make same thing few years ago?
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I really don’t care until I can buy one. In the meantime I have a few hdd’s and an old LTO4 drive…
Article says the glass plates can only be written once, so don’t toss out your hdd just yet
They could replace WORM storage, and since the person you responded to mentioned LTO, WORM may be possible with their data set since LTO is traditionally used for backups
Would you eventually be able to get data printed and have the plates sent to you, so you can store them yourself in a safe place?
This would be a great option for preserving the source media for films and videos, for example. Not just the finished product, but every take etc.
Data is data, you could store anything there. The question is if this would eventually reach some sort of consumer market. By the looks of it it’s in a very early stage (where all equipment to read and write is still in RnD phase) so it’s not where you can have a sata cable attached to it in your pc.
Me taking out a piece of hermetically sealed perfectly persevered data storage glass 10000 years in the future:
Scratches it immediately
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Also me, storing several TB’s of porn on ultra durable glass plates:
The future will thank me
Ridulian crystal v1
It’s fairly easy to store data for a very long time. What’s hard is remembering how to read that data after all that time.
And also remembering what passphrase your ancestors used.
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What?
You could use like 10% of the storage to have a pictogram that explains how to read the data.
Well that’s the problem, you have absolutely no way to know if it will make sense 10000 years down the line. Humans only invented writing around 6000 or 7000 years ago. It’s a really long time on our scale.
What does that have to do with writing? Pictograms are images. You take a microscope look at it and it tells you in image form how to decode it. Something like the arecibo message or the golden record, but way more detailed, because you have way more space.
It has a lot to do with it, because writing is nothing more than standardised pictograms which have meanings and these change a lot over time.
I’m not saying it can’t be done but to believe that what has been drawn or represented will be understood correctly 10000 years down the line, by humans or anything else is a big bet.That is just wrong. Yes the meanings of words change, but images and math dont change.
Was it minority report or the matrix that showed humans storing data on glass?
Either way, this is pretty cool.
I don’t remember this anywhere in the matrix
In 2001, HAL is disconnected through glass like components.
It was Minority Report, during the sequence when Anderson is going through the footage of the murder in the beginning of the movie. One of the guys puts some video from a nearby computer into a small tablet -size piece of glass and hands it to Anderson who plugs it in and puts the video on the main screen.
We’ve got some pretty good glove mouse things so we’re just kidding the pre-cogs.
I think the blade runner sequel had something like this too.
in The Expanse their ships are somehow powered/controlled by a shelf of things that look like this
Star Trek also has this.
And Star Craft and Stargate. Must be something a lot of sci-fi stuff has.
Minority Report had some glass storage stuff that was fun to see. He would insert a glass slide into the machine.
Thanks! That may have been the case I was thinking of.
I think you’re thinking of Star Wars. Like episode 2 or something.
Definitely I’m Minority Report as well in several scenes
Sounds an awful like the Millennium Disc.
Though I guess it has higher capacity and even longer life, but the article doesn’t have much details.