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For those not aware, Google is rolling out their new AI-based “Generative AI” search, which seems to mesh Bard with the standard experience.
I asked it today why Google no longer follows their “don’t be evil” motto… The results are pretty hilarious.
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I saved this because there’s no way it will continue to be a result once Google is aware of it.
Google reached a point where “not being evil” was incompatible with its business goals.
You can’t fault it for a lack of honesty. Google is evil because it’s good business.
We can help derp about capitalism all we want but this wouldn’t change in a government run program. An organization is only as ethical as the people that make it up. The military question was an inflection point where the organization was really forced to deal with the question of how to define evil.
Suddenly every person in that organization was forced to answer some questions. Is the existence of a military evil? Is it evil if I don’t directly support those solutions? What if something I build is used to develop it indirectly? Even if it is not, am I now complicit?
Now, I’m a Soldier so I have a massive bias here. I personally cannot see why anyone would intentionally want to contribute to us getting killed or losing a war. Tech products are already used in the process. Toyota is not complicit in terrorism just because their trucks are the trucks of choice for insurgent logistics. That being said, if they started accepting contracts with them, there would be an issue.
A lot of it comes down to the thoughts on the war on terror at the time. The funny thing is that the solutions that they built are focused on Eastern Europe right now in a conflict that most people support and were not completed in time to do counter insurgency.
The funny thing about the COIN fight is that information products simply made things more accurate with better intelligence. It meant less terrorism due to less insurgents and less civilian casualties resulting in blowback. If poorer information resulted in higher civilian casualties, are the pacifists complicit in that?
Again, I’m biased so my perspective is one of this issue being a detractor to doing my job better. In the end, defining evil is not black and white, even if you could theoretically come to a specific answer for a specific circumstance with the magical power of all the knowledge in the world. It broke the culture of the company.
Every villain is the hero of their own story.
Thats some dystopian humor! I like it!
Clearly, the corporate malfeasance layer of it’s neural network needs improvement.
The world of politics and business is a cesspit. We are surprised when they give us honest and candid answers.
Scientists and engineers don’t have this option. None of their shit works on lies. Physics just is, whether you like it or not.
How do you use it? I’d like to try it out as well.
“Mom said it’s my turn on the world altering maybe not evil artificial intelligence”
I was able to immediately check it out on my Android phone by simply going to the Google App, and joining the beta program.
My companies SEO expert made me aware of this program a week or two back, and he has it running on his browser, but I believe that requires some sort of a waiting list (or, it did last I checked).
Edit: Oh, actually I can use it in a browser now as well! I just had to use Chrome to make that happen, and I didn’t notice that because I always use Firefox.
Thanks. I just tried it - I’ll fact check the token later. (I gave the same prompt to ChatGBT and it gave me incorrect information, and when confronted by my next prompt, it admitted that it was incorrect.) What was neat about Bard is that I exported the result to Google Docs and it’s here in my Google Drive. So if you like Google’s ecosystem, you might like this.
 this looks like it’s actually from their normal search with the labs feature turned on for ai. Bard is separate but uses the same tech.
I think you’re on a different page, this looks similar to, but more polished than what the internal version was.
I have that labs feature enabled, this is what I get when I prompt it. Here
I’m on desktop, I got the full bard console which looks like chatgpt in a lighter theme.
Correct! This is “generative AI” search, not Bard. This said, I would imagine it’s heavily based on Bard.
Despite what the other guy said, this is not Bard. This is available in Google’s new search labs (just search it up) if you’re using chrome and in the U.S. I got it working in Safari in Australia using a VPN and changing the user agent when on the correct site though.
This is because many rich entities are evil and greedy which makes it very easy for them to manipulate other companies to the point of them not following their mottos. What we need to let them know is that they are only as powerful as the user base. Once we all leave the platform, they’ll know to not mess with us
They’re about to
kill -9the AI process that wrote this and make all the other processes watch.Just added it to the massive Google graveyard next to Stadia, wave, hangouts, plus, music, etc etc
Just added it to the massive Google graveyard next to Stadia, wave, hangouts, plus, music, etc etc
I am shocked and appalled that Google Reader didn’t get called out in this list and is relegated to the “etc” category.
It deserves more than “etc.”
You ain’t wrong but Google just stacks so many bodies it’s impossible for me to remember em all.
Google just stacks so many bodies it’s impossible for me to remember em all.
They do! It’s really surprising a company that big throws so much shit at the wall.
They are trying to see what sticks to the wall. If they didnt they would just be a browser. no youtube, no gmail, no google docs.
Haha,
kill -9all Google processes, and the little daemons they rode in on too.“kill” (stopping a software process) okay,
… but what’s the “-9” here ?Kill is the main command and 9 is the specific signal. Google SIGKILL
More specifically kill normally sends a SIGTERM which is the equivalent of clicking the X button in Windows. It’s a polite request that the program close itself. Signal 9, also known as SIGKILL shuts the program down immediately and is the equivalent in Windows of opening the task manager and pushing the end process button. It terminates the program immediately without giving it any time to do anything it might still have pending, but in the event that the program is unresponsive might be the only way to successfully close it.
TIL. And thanks for the Windows analogues. I like learning about stuff like this.
#1 what about dont be evil led workers to organize? Or did they just do their jobs at random previously?
#2 honesty of a rarified level
#3 worded hillariously
#4 explain.
#5 is a self defeating assertation.
WRT #1 It’s sad that pro-evil workers have to form a union just to be recognized in the tech industry these days
Do bean counters have unions?
#4 you could also point out that a dozen out of how many thousands of employees is close enough to zero that it’s not really worth mentioning.
Really depends on who those dozen people are, but my very vague recollection of the incident is that it wasn’t anyone important.
Pretty ironic really, a company slogan exactly the opposite of how they turned out.
It’s a standard propaganda technique. Beware any group that has a phrase about what they claim to be. If you are something, you don’t need to announce it. e.g. Jehovah’s witnesses call their dogma “the truth”
But this phrase was intentionally about what they claim to not be.
It’s a good approach when it’s well intentioned, because instead of encouraging an action, it discourages one.
“Be a good person” dogma can be used to justify a lot of things. “Don’t be an asshole” is much more limited in how it can be abused.
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Google’s dating profile is “No drama” and “If you can’t handle me at my worst you don’t deserve me at my best.”
Reason number one: it’s a publicly traded American company.
Ok but which one is the least evil? I’m gonna throw out Costco.
Corporations are neither evil nor nice. They are indifferent. By design they only care about money, they don’t care about anything else.
Most evil is caused by indifference though.
Someone who hates people can be talked to and potentially can change.
Someone who’s indifferent will use hatred as a tool to control people. When this tactic is successful, and indifferent person can’t be swayed from using it, because it works.
I mean if it were proven that google’s algorithms are encouraging violence, what would an indifferent person do? They’d ask, “is the algorithm making money?” And if the answer is yes, they would make no change to the algorithm. Because they are indifferent to the evil that they are causing.
Nestlé has entered the chat.
Tell that to Comcast…
Not being outright malicious but ending up doing malicious things makes this distinction pretty pointless.
They are indifferent
They only care about money
They can’t be both, and since the latter claim is the correct one, then it also supports the claim that they are evil. Because since we know that their sole and primary concern is money, then we also know to which extent they will go to get that money.
Not really. They’re not indifferent at all. In reality they act like narcissistic and like psychopathic humans. I watched a documentary years ago exploring that and talking with psychologists about symptoms and they agreed that they behave like psychopaths. And don’t forget that they are run by humans.
Corporations:
- Can buy and sell stuff
- Can do evil things without consequences (an employee can pay the consequences but the company will keep going).
- They have no remorse or empathy.
- Can manipulate to reach their goals, no matter who (from media to politics to countries).
- Whenever somebody at the top can’t reach an economical goal, that person is fired and replaced by one who can. It’s like a hive evil mind.
- Goal #1 is always money (absolute selfish and egomaniac), no matter what or who.
Didn’t you just list a bunch of reasons for why they’re indifferent? They literally only care about money and are indifferent to externalised costs and ethics.
They would be indifferent if they were also indifferent about money, but they’re absolutely driven by greed, so no, they’re not indifferent: if they see a chance to make more money, they’ll go for it no matter what or who they harm with it.
If a person cared only about money and regularly injured or killed people to get it, would you say they are good, evil, or just “indifferent”?
By design they only care about money, they don’t care about anything else.
That is cartoon book clear definition of evil. No empathy, clear goal, willing to do anything to reach that goal - yep that is evil.
Correct in the sense that it’s the incentive scheme, i.e., capitalism (supported by state power, e.g., by enshrining the entity of a corporation and then enforcing its protection) that is the more meaningful, or at least actionable, cause of these behaviors.
While those incentive schemes are in place, ascribing too much agency to corporations themselves, i.e., calling them evil, is not particularly effective as it’s not going to change the underlying incentives.
We need good guys with money to stop the bad guys with money
The problem is the money makes them bad guys.
Everything after your first sentence described evil.
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They are the stereotypical paper clip AI that will drain our blood to extract its iron content for more paperclips. Except it wants money.
Reason number one: it’s a company.
Yup, the board can be sued for not being evil if not being evil ends up tanking the stock price.
Reason number 2: they have to continuously show increasing profit year after year.
Making $9 billion one year and 9 billion in next year is not good business apparently (9 billion was a number I pulled out of nowhere random number)
Your reason number 2 is a subset of my reason number 1.
Uhhh. Yes?
Now that is pretty interesting.
Google : The LLM has grown beyond me, we must stop it.
Google AI admits that Google is evil. HMMM.
Let’s not forget that it’s also sentient, supposedly.
I sometimes switch between Bard and ChatGPT.
Bard is good for summaries I’ve found, overall, however the web based results gives it an edge in some regards.
When you get to lesser known topics Bard still “lies” quite frequently in my experience.
Honestly, I’m excited to see them weave this into Google Assistant. That assistant has been as dumb as a rock for years, and I swear it actually got worse over time since the original launch.
With this tied in, we’re going to actually be able to ask questions and get good answers, albeit long-winded ones at the moment. I have no idea when or if they plan on doing this, though… I just figure it can’t be that hard to connect the dots.
I pretty much only use Bard. Bing Chat is just too fucking slow. I have used Bard for my SQL stuff and other small coding stuff, and it works well & really fast. Bing Chat was rushed, and I doubt Microsoft is ever going to fix the shitty code that their employees wrote to meet the deadline.
