I’m happy to buy an app, but I will not pay a $3 subscription for just an app and access to a repository of user generated content. I know the Infinity devs don’t really have a choice, but this pricing model is ridiculous!
I don’t even want to buy an app for social media. Since Reddit sells your data I just can’t be interested in purchasing access to my info being sold.
… and people will do it.
My favorite bit of irony is how spez was throwing shade at third party apps for having the audacity to “profit” off reddits’s work for free, when that is reddits’s entire business model.
I wonder what they are going to do when computing really takes off? When you can run the whole internet’s traffic on one blackwell-sized computer? Because I don’t see the human population growing any time soon!
If I had been given the option to pay $3 or $5 a month in June to continue using Apollo to access Reddit with no restrictions (NSFW) I would have considered it. I trust Christian’s assessment that it wasn’t financially viable, though. The dev of this app admits at $3 they basically make nothing. If the app cannot be funded (aka dev make a living) Reddit is overcharging for what they provide and can go fuck themselves.
This basically still supports what Christian said in June…and still shows why Reddit was so stupid and toxic that they wouldn’t try to tweak the api dollar amounts to make it sustainable.
Fuck spez still. I admire what these devs are trying to do but Reddit does not want them to succeed, and Reddit does not want people using their apps…so it’s a losing battle
Why did everybody have to close down if costs are fully covered with a $2.99 subscription? I probably would have paid for reddit is fun at that price for myself and my wife. Assuming it stays ad free.
Every user pays the same for the app, but the app pays an amount dependent on how much its users are browsing and posting. So if your users are all lurkers who open Reddit once a day, then you can make an easy profit charging a small fee. But if your core userbase are power posters and mods and people who spend every bathroom break on reddit, you’ll lose money unless you charge a huge subscription.
The power users moving to Lemmy actually made these app subscriptions cheaper and more financially viable, because it brought down the activity level of their average user. If things had stayed the same, apps would be more expensive to run.
Funny enough, the more reddit dies, the more profitable third party apps get.
Yeah, I get that. But the devs know what their average API calls are per user, seems like they would have landed on those numbers here; less frequent users likely subsidize power users to some extent. Or, like reddit, they could price it dynamically based on your usage too.
But you also might be right that it’s only affordable if ALL power users moved on. Probably fewer moved here than we’d hope/expect, but I’m sure it helped.
Three dollars a month is a lot in some places.
No NSFW content though
Everyone couldn’t have. The more users you have using a app the higher the API hits, the higher the number of API hits the more you’d have the charge. So the more popular apps with the most users couldn’t survive
oddon just $2.99 a month and certainly not while continuing to update and upkeep that app (or those apps) because they wouldn’t be making any money let alone enough to justify the work they’d be doing.Additionally this isn’t an ad free version of Reddit you’ll be getting with this sub. It’s still Reddit with ads.
Plus you need the $$$ before the API bill and there’ll always be some amount of mismatch between the expected usage and actual usage of users
To be fair, Infinity worked for me for months after the API bullshit went into effect; NSFW and everything. The dev seemed pretty cool in the one or two times I messaged them. It must suck they have to charge now.
Still, screw Reddit. Dropped it like a bad habit… Because it honestly was for me.
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Well in the reddit case there’s a payoff and then one gets to walk away from the sinking ship. They just need to get things pumped up for the IPO and then who cares what happens from there. It’s time to cash out and it becomes someone else’s problem to deal with.
This IPO is the only thing that going to give them anything remotely near Musk money and it’s not going to anywhere near at much where one can crash and burn another social media site for the hell of it…
And that’s why it’s so awesome that Reddit users got together and did a protest that dumped the valuation of Reddit stock just as Spez was trying to sell it
Which I don’t get, all they have done for months(years really) is make the site less attractive to users, and therefore less attractive to investors. They did all the shitty stuff you do to maintain piece of shit shareholders BEFORE THEY HAD THE SHAREHOLDERS!
It’s like those recent news about netflix rising prices and preventing password share. They don’t care about users’ experience, or if 10% of the userbase will leave, as long as the revenue increases.
They probably have to show revenue
This is their way of destroying global communication. We the people were organising using their sites. That obviously couldn’t happen so they threw the toys out of the pram and its worked. There is less of a global forum with reddit and twitter fkd.
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If it’s a group organisation without any restriction to entry then it is the common person’s voice. Do you not think that together we can work towards a better tomorrow?
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Damn. I never thought about it like that. You’re right, but at the same time I see Lemmy way more focused on important matters we should pay attention to. With actual discussion within, not just bullshit bots slinging nonsense to steer the conversations. Granted lemmy def leans a certain way depending on where you are but it’s mostly what the majority is already thinking. They may have fucked themselves in that aspect. Driving us to be more centralized with less noise to interfere. Idk, but good point.
Fuck reddit but also fuck pro-defederation safe space bigots.
fuck pro-defederation safe space bigots
How is this even remotely related to the OP, or this comm at large?
If by “pro-defederation safe space bigots” you mean instances like lemmy.blahaj.zone and beehaw.org, that tend to defed a lot of instances to keep their own as “safe spaces”, can you please explain what would make them “bigots”? And if you meant something else, could you clarify it?
They probably mean Hexbear, which is a safe space for authoritarians and transphobes not to be called transphobic. I’ve documented their transphobic, homophobic, and ableist harassment at [email protected]
Blahaj is also reactionary though: https://lemm.ee/post/12879395
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Thank you for the clarification.
It’s still weird though. Like, let’s suppose that the poster was indeed referring to Hexbear, and that Hexbear was indeed “a safe space for authoritarians and transphobes” (I’m not digging on this further, as it isn’t necessary for the sake of the argument). It’s still randomly associating “being pro-defederation” with orthogonal matters, like the alleged bigotry. (Plus they’re usually the ones being defederated, not the ones defederating.)
Well sure. A bigot cannot tolerate the free exchange of ideas. If bigots don’t have a safe space to be bigots, then someone may come along and call them a transphobe and hurt their feelings. Authoritarian powers have always found excuses to shut down the speech of progressive radicals. Protest cannot be tolerated. They will use words like “brigading”, and “wrecker”, and “harassment” to construct a worldview in which political speech is a moral wrong, and they will enforce that worldview. I’ve seen this behaviour from both Blahaj and Hexbear. And I’ve seen it from my own government used against all kinds of progressive protesters. It’s universal.
This reasoning breaks for Hexbear, since it blocks exactly four instances: Threads, Burggit, Exploding Heads, and LW. As such, if Hexbear is a “bigot instance”, bigotry doesn’t lead to being “pro-defed”. As such, the other user was soapboxing against instances defederating others. (And if it is not a bigot instance, then it is not an example for that at all.)
[I’ll probably not talk about this further ITT because I need to “chew” a bit on what you said, and I don’t want to be an assumer. I’ll still read anything that you might reply in this regard.]
You’re right. That other person was probably talking about Blahaj and their reactionary political position of pretending anything can be apolitical. Also, doxxing trans people.
I consider Hexbear to be the same pattern in a different colour. Instead of defederating, they just ban any leftist or trans person who they’ve chosen to harass today. I consider defederations and bans to be two means of accomplishing the same goal, so I wasn’t keeping the distinction in mind.
pro defederation, safe space bigots.
Please, answer the questions.
Actually… you don’t need to answer the questions.
After checking your profile, it shows multiple instances of problematic behaviour: witch hunting here and here, misusing the word “bigot” for ad hitlerem, anti-vaxx content, even concern trolling against trans people. And your soapbox above shows that you’re likely going to behave like this in SNOOcalypse too.
As such, I’m creating an exception to the way that I usually moderate this community, and banning you before you cause problems here. You aren’t fooling anyone here.
Must be fucking tragic still developing for reddit ecosystem. All of your subscriptions go straight to Reddit, who graciously gives you access to user generated content curated by unpaid mods.
I checked out Narwhal 2, and the app is a goddam jewel. I’d have paid $30 or $50 for it (like I did with Bean for Lemmy). It almost convinced me to go and make a reddit account again, but then I saw reddit recently stopped letting you opt out of ad personalization anymore, and it was easy to run back to lemmy. Reddit does not want 3rd party apps. Eventually they’ll look for ways to fully block access.
I wonder if those devs, still playing along with Reddit Inc. outrageous prices, aren’t coding access to other platforms behind the scenes. It would be a decent approach to retain their userbase, while gently encouraging it to migrate.
That’s what BOOST did. Basically a 1:1 transition from reddit to lemmy after the API died.
Reddit has a lot more tracking and fingerprinting going on in their own app too that they obviously want you there for. Once you log into multiple accounts, it fingerprints you as the same user on all accounts. I had a few accounts; a work related one and a couple personal ones. Ended up with a temporary ban on one from a dick head mod, and ALL of them got banned together for 7 days because of that with a message (forget the exact wording so I’m paraphrasing) basically saying “don’t try to make another account to get around the ban because we’ll still know its you”. They’re mining the shit out of user data now, and also really starting to connect the dots on multiple account holders which I’m guessing will be to “deal with” people who detract from their IPO goals. Glad I left.
Released Narwhal 2 right in time for most people to never use it.
Yeah, I hope this kind of business never thieves.
Boy, now I really want to go back! 🤣
Let’s pack tonight we can be there by morning 😹😹
For those who don’t know: Eternity (for Lemmy) is a fork of Infinity (for Reddit).
Dangit that’s literally what I’m working on haha!
That’s what I use, and it’s great! I have been using Infinity with reddit for many years before switching.
Yup, I use it as well. Fantastic app which costs nothing and is available on F-droid.
Note that it is not in the main F-Droid repo yet. Coming soon, but you currently have to add the IzzyOnDroid repo. Instructions at the top of this page https://apt.izzysoft.de/fdroid/
whats the diffefemce between izzy and f repos
izzyondroid is maintained by Izzy, a single dev. whereas fdroid’s repo is official repo for f-droid.
why wpuld one perso make their own repo
because f-droid’s criteria is restrictive to some otherwise good apps. and they take some time to add apps to official repo.
think of izzyondroid like a beta-testing repo.
Thanks for this.
Is this an Antimatter Dimensions reference?
For some reason, I love forks who are named with a word that has a very similar concept to the original one.
Infinity, it’s Eternity but more science-y.
Wow that sucks, It just sucks even more that a good portion of the Reddit Fanbase doesn’t want to even try other platforms such as Lemmy which give much better user experiences in the end.
It’s pretty good here once you block all the tankie shit
Are there tankies in the room right now?
Defederated from lemmygrad, it’s ok now
Idk honestly. Lemmy is quite an echo chamber in terms of tech stuff especially. I think reddit having much more content of all different types can make it a better user experience for most people. I find it hard to suggest lemmy for the average user who just wants to see memes and discussions based on their hobbies and interests. Lemmy is a lot less diverse.
yeah I wish we had more variety unfortunately I don’t have time to commit myself to be a mod for a community here
You’re 100% right about that. Try mentioning a web browser that isn’t Firefox for a good example.
actually you should be using waterfox / librefox
Lemmy not pulling in Reddit’s general audience and Lemmy having a better user experience than Reddit are highly correlated.
My Reddit usage is highly correlated with whether or not I’m at my desk.
I feel like I need to wash my hands after opening the official Reddit app on my phone.
I recommend Stealth for Android. You can subscribe to subreddits and get nsfw access, and all this without an account. Only con for people might be not being able to sign it, but I don’t see not being able to comment or interact as a con with the benefit being less account based information being collected.
Are you on Android? I use boost for reddit, as well as boost for lemmy… Its a great app. To use it for reddit just create a random sub and become a mod. Any name just create a sub, then it will let you log into boost… Full access and a great user experience…
Ohh is that why boost still works? I should reinstall it.
Boost will only work if you’re a mod… There is a guide to use ReVanced to make it work but it’s buggy… Just create a sub and become a mod and you should be good to go. Even NSFW works if you’re interested… Definately download it
Someone should put together some lists of instances to block for new users. Only English for example. Lemmy seems like opposite reddit, you block communities not subscribe to them. It’s taken me months to block enough that my feed has mostly things I care to look at. My blocked list is miles long, I think I’ve subscribed to 50 but I never browse it, it’s so slow moving.
There’s great lemmy apps too like Connect for Lemmy which has become my favorite. Handles multiple instances well and good filtering settings.
I’m using Memmy on iPhone and it’s awesome, very similar to Apollo. Custom gestures, themes, hide read posts, etc. Can’t recommend it enough to my iOS homies
I use that app on my iPad it has been a nice replacement for Apollo.
Using Boost for Lemmy on Android! It has such a nice interface.
Long before the APIcalypse, I was thinking of quitting Reddit. Now that everything went downhill, that decision became super easy.
I wasn’t really getting that much benefit out of Reddit, so it wasn’t a big deal. Spending time there was more like bad habit to me. The mere thought of paying for a bad habit sounds so absurd that quitting would have been absolutely mandatory at that point.
Fortunately though, Reddit already made the process so much easier simply buy kicking out my favorite client app.
Same here, it had been several months where I felt that the general quality had been declining. As soon as the AMA was done and nothing was answered I deleted the app (RiF).
Sadly I still miss some niche communities, but I’ve been finding substitutes
I missed the unexpected factorial sub, so I made a spiritual successor for it.
If you miss a particular sub, see if a replacement already exists somewhere in the lemmyverse. If it does, participate in it. If not, make one.
I’ve been trying to be a little more active, since I mainly only lurked it’s a bit extrange for me.
Eventually I may try to start a community
I know, right? It was like a steady stream of assholes, habitual doom scrolling, and occasionally a few good topics or people chatting.
I made a pact to stop using Reddit as soon as Infinity stopped working for me. It worked for months, but when it stopped, I held myself to it. Not only did I deactivate my account, I used a service to overwrite all of my content, and also then delete it beforehand. My mental health has been recovering steadily ever since.
Even if I did get something positive out of it, I refuse to be part of an ecosystem run that treats it’s users and volunteers with such open hostility. The whole saga with Spez lying and bullshitting to make other people look bad, and the pro-corporate bots that popped up from time to time turned me off it entirely. I miss it sometimes, but what’s the point of having a sense of ethics or personal conviction if you shrug your shoulders and do what you want regardless of whether you know you should?
It’s like someone claiming to be a vegetarian, but they eat meat whenever they feel like it because it tastes good.
When I joined Reddit I noticed that it’s too easy to end up doomscrolling and arguing with idiots. That’s why I stayed away from r/all and any sub that’s all about news and/politics. The only exception was r/europe, because I think it’s good to know something about the region that actually influences my life.
In order to avoid wasting time on stupid idiont nonsense, I focused on science and technology subs along with some very specific niche subs. That way Reddit was actually able to provide some benefit from time to time.
I made a Lemmy account before the Reddit Blackout, and I’ve been here ever since. After the blackout ended, I visited Reddit every week at first, but now it’s more like once a month at most. In order to make the transition faster, I unsubscribed from everything except all the protest, blackout, API etc. related subs. So if I go to Reddit now, I’ll just see people complaining about Reddit. If I go to r/all it’s about as useless as it was years ago, so there’s no reason to spend time in there.
