Semi-related but I remember the ancient days when the original iPod touch (not iPhone though) initially had paid OS upgrades - not too crazy for back then when the firmware was often done when the device shipped save for maybe a small patch or three. But there were also larger updates too but not too common.
And then I remember Steve getting up on stage proclaiming that Apple “has found a way!” to make it free.
general reposti, you are an ancient one
Hello there!
It’s kinda the opposite on Mac and Windows. macOS updates have actually been free for a long time whereas Microsoft technically still charges for updates
Sweet I updated and gained more storage space!
Would be funny if it was true…but you never pay for OS updates on Mac.
I know we all get off on a little Apple hate from time to time, why do so many of these things feel they need to make shit up? There’s so much real shit they do that you could just make fun of
Because Apple bad obviously, get on the bandwagon
I think this comic might have been from the era when you did have to pay for new versions of OS X… they stopped doing that around Lion I think in 2011 or so.
They used to sell it? Criminals!
The first few iOS updates they tried to charge for as well
I remember because it was laughably easy to just go grab the package file online and “flash” it manually.
Always better to sail the high seas
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I’m not sure what you’re getting at. The versions up to and including Mountain Lion in 2012 cost money on release. If you didn’t upgrade or bought new hardware, you would not have had to pay to upgrade specifically. You could also bum copies off of somebody else… But it did technically cost money.
You pay for them when they slow down your hardware
You can disable the throttling.
Hey, they could have taken the Google option and let the phones die at 20% charge because there was too much voltage draw for the aging battery to handle
This.
The only negative thing about the whole situation was that Apple didn’t publicize it, not that they throttled the devices.
Get a new battery for it and the thing works just fine.
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Good luck with what? Replacing a battery at home is not that difficult on an iPhone, and it’s fairly cheap without AppleCare if you just go to an Apple Store. Covered if you have it.
Yea, and if we are talking about MacBooks it’s ridiculously easy to do. Not sure what the whole “can’t replace the battery” thing is about.
Here in Sweden you can just go to partners too. Replacing the battery on my XS cost $50 or so.
I recall new batteries for my old 3330 going for like $25 back in the day so I don’t get the big honestly.
You pay it by buying new hardware.
My 2013 macbook pro with 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD has been deprecated by apple so the latest OS it gets is Big Sur, it has now been barred from signing updates (since they require the latest XCode which I cannot get with Big Sur) so its only viable life is via Linux from now on.
I have had to buy a Mac Mini with 8 GB of RAM and a 250 GB SSD to be able to upload updates for my iOS apps.
I mean I can afford it, but yeah, we are paying for OS updates dude.
That’s the reason they also updated their EULAs to set a minimum renting period of 24hs for providers like Amazon and MacStadium. They want you buying hardware, they don’t want to leave any easy way out.
There are still workarounds for getting new macOS on older not supported hardware (aka the OpenCore Legacy Patcher) which works very well, even with really old macs. But yes, of course, there are no official updates.
That’s not an Apple problem per se though, that’s an industry problem. Windows 11 isn’t officially supported on Devices older than 2018 and unofficially not older than like 2015-ish, if you want full functionality and a non-hacky install (because of TPM 2.0). Also, most Android phones have a notoriously short period getting updates (although that is getting better with some manufacturers promising and delivering way more than before).
Windows 11 isn’t officially supported on Devices older than 2018 and unofficially not older than like 2015-ish
Having old computers not compatible with the latest OS is not a problem, just keep running Windows 10. Having an OS that no longer gets security updates is a huge problem.
Fortunately Apple goes out of their way to ensure their hardware doesn’t survive that long anymore.
Windows 10 is also nearing end of life. In two years it’s over
It’s the same with windows though, I can’t get Windows 11 on my laptop.
Same with many things, it’s just not feasible to support decade old hardware with new updates.
hav ye herd a linux?
You pay for linux with your time and sanity.
It used to be the case yea, but my experience last 5 years or so has been that especially for old hardware everything works out of the box.
Might be extremely hardware or distro dependent though.
except the time is spent learning something instead of waiting for the pc to update(or you can, of course, use one of the many common distros that require no time to understand, eg. linux mint, fedora, tuxedoOS etc)
You can, but not officially.
Macs only get support for three years now. So you’re paying between $1,000 and $53,799 for a computer every three years instead of just updating the operating system in the same period of time.
So yeah, your right… This is inaccurate. It’s not $99 any longer, it’s starting at $1,000 every major update. If you’re outside those three years, too bad. No updates for you, and in a year or less many of your favorite programs will get updates you can no longer ever use again.
Apple machines are supported for like 7-8 years from launch
macOS is only maintained for 3 years (3 generations).
macOS 14 Sonoma just came out, so support for macOS 11 big sur just ended
I think that the oldest system that is still officially supported is the Mac Pro from 2013. So 10 years of support. Likely will not be officially supported next year.
Get your facts straight. Linux fan boyism is lazy and not supported in 2023
No, but you’ll have to buy another 3000 dollar laptop that’s only worth maybe 1200 bucks because they arbitrarily decide that their hardware can’t support a new OS and lock you out of upgrading it.
We have them where I work and it’s the biggest time sink for our service desk to deal with, replacing with Windows 10 machines absolutely saved us from having to deal with constant “network issues” and Adobe projects that can’t be accessed on a workstation not running Monterrey or whatever version the person who last edited it was on, etc.
Fuck Mac, they’re fine for personal use (if you like wasting money) but are absolutely dogshit for a commercial environment where work actually has to get done.
Uh, what? Have you owned a Mac in the last 30 years?
That’s not how it works. I’ve had two macs in the last 20 years, and more than a dozen Windows machines. I had to reformat the Windows PCs every year or so for various reasons until they became obsolete after like 5 years, but my macs have worked for 10 years each with no issues, and always upgraded to the latest OS easily and always for free. Both my macs lasted 10+ years of heavy use (my current one is 5+ years and still young).
Every time a Windows update came out it was an ordeal and I dreaded it; with each update I’d start looking at the cost of replacing the whole machine in case it bricks and it’s just not worth fixing things. Mac updates are barely a blip in my workflow.
Adobe projects that can’t be accessed on a workstation not running Monterrey or whatever
This makes zero sense. The Adobe suite runs much better on OSX than Windows by orders of magnitude, even on outdated and non-updated OS. There’s a reason most designers and professional VXers have always preferred Mac. (eta: also, rereading, this makes even less sense because Adobe projects don’t care about your OS when opening; just the version of Adobe itself. You can easily open projects made on a whole different OS: Windows/OSX, any recentish version with no problem. Even files made in CS6/OSX can be opened in the latest cloud app on Windows easily. You’re either mistaken here or being deliberately dishonest for some reason.)
I’ve been in IT/software development and VX design for a few decades and I’m really wondering how this is an ordeal for you. It makes no sense to me. My 3000 dollar laptop has outlasted 5 1000 dollar windows machines. You get what you pay for.
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Also, in my few decades in the industry, the sales and marketing staff always ran Windows, but the design staff usually worked on Mac. That speaks for itself.
I don’t like apple but none of what you wrote has been reflected in my last 20 years of Mac experience. There is no “arbitrary” lack of support for older machines and in my experience machines usually get updates for several years.
There was a time when you had to pay for the next major version. I think it went free around mountain lion or so?
Are you telling me I can get a cougar for free?
Go to the right bar and she’ll buy your drinks.
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And even then it was only $20. The last time it was over $99 was 16 years ago.
Indeed. Last two were twenty.
After 4 years, you have to pay $1999 to get a new iMac. (all numbers were made up)
My 2010 MacBook Pro disagrees
2012 MBP still going strong as a daily driver.
You’re saying your 13 year old macbook is still getting updates? I know the Pro models usually have extended support, but 13 years sounds a bit extreme. The latest version of OS X that supports the 2010 Macbook Pro is High Sierra from 2017.
Updates? No, but still runs like a champ. Even so, an OS from 7 years after its manufacture date is pretty good. My main point was against your “after 4 years” you need to buy a new Mac.
And you still get software updates just no more os updates.
Do they still do security updates for old versions of MacOS? It’s something they’re really good at when it comes to iOS after all.
I’ve got MacOS 13 running on a 2010 MacBook Pro with OpenCore Legacy Patcher. It’s not the fastest laptop but it runs way better than you’d expect a first gen mobile i7 to handle a modern OS
Heah, my 2013 MBP died this year (at least the wifi module did), so I replaced it. 9 years is good in my book
You used to.
lol i was about to say. Updates have been free since what , Lion? Lemmy is just hurr durr non Linux operating systems bad 🙄
Yeah, it was Lion and even before then it was something like $35 to upgrade which was less than the cost to upgrade Windows at the time.
Why pay Microsoft though?
Are you kidding? Lemmy is overwhelmingly in favor of Linux. Like, holy persecution complex, Batman…
You may need to re-read the comment you answered carefully.
This meme is older than Lion
So old it’s yellowed
Same tbh
In my experience they are (comparatively) I absolutely hate using ipados and they messed up airdrop (because why support Bluetooth fileshare when you can have a proprietary protocol) between different versions of ipados with the latest update and now it doesn’t work half the time…
I’m pretty sure snow leopard was the last version you could buy physical media for at the very least because that’s the last version I have physical media for lol
Same
And $99! is referring to $9.3x10^155 here…
Um, actually… it’s
933262154439441526816992388562667004907159682643816214685929638952175999932299156089414639761565182862536979208272237582511852109168640000000000000000000000. 🤓Sorry, used to r/unexpectedfactorial being a thing… Forgot this isn’t Reddit anymore.
I don’t think I’ve ever sat there and thought “cool free stuff” when updating. More so annoyed as it reminds me that our systems at work should probably get updated.
I once accidentally installed one on my Mac and I lost my shit.
Like, first it was an emotional reaction of losing my shit, then I actually lost a lot of important shit because there was no way to downgrade, and the latest OS cut off tools from my important tools and apps from being run.
Sweet I updated and broke my package manager and the system python. I guess I’ll just reimage and start over.
:shrugs:
I don’t have time for that tbh. I go with Mac for my laptop for that reason.
Reminds me of Technology Connections:
“I like to do work on my computer. Not work on my computer. And that’s why I don’t use Linux! Yea, I went there!”
As much as I hate Mac from the few times I used it for work and helping my wife I never remember paying for an update.
Also it may not be much but windows does get extra features in the yearly feature update. Recent updates brought built in winrar and the last one let you have tabs in notepad.
Also it may not be much but windows does get extra features in the yearly feature update.
And break tons of shit you already had figured out.
I don’t doubt it, but that has not really been my experience. Honestly the only OS I have used that breaks things after updating is Mac… applications, printers, and drivers just don’t work until the developer updates them, which sometimes can be 3-6 months after the release.
And my last one (involuntary Windows update) overwrote GRUB because of course that’s what I wanted, then after the first reboot not even Windows would boot and I had to create a live USB on my old laptop instead.
Gosh that sucks.
As a Linux / Windows and Mac user this tired and inaccurate
Especially after Microsoft Updates kept bricking my computer during updates, but wouldnt stop trying to force them, even though every attempt to do so failed FOR THE LAST HALF YEAR. And the only way I could make the update fuck off from attempting to retry waz to turn on and off my computer until it gave up
I miss when new macOS releases were actually paid and came with actually useful features that worked on pretty much every Macintosh they ran on for the most part.
Macs/MacOS has enough problems, no reason to make anything up
Yea, we should be complaining about the bug that has existed in the last three major versions of macOS but isn’t fixed in favor of adding a few new bugs (which also won’t be fixed any time soon).
There are high-schoolers alive today (maybe even in this thread) who were born after Apple stopped charging for updates. Maybe it’s time to get some new jokes.
This meme has been doing the rounds for few years now. Also, I don’t remember the exact date now when Apple stopped charging for updates. I assume it has been a decent long time since they last did so. The only pain point is Windows which takes the most time to update and has basically made dual booting tougher than ever, thanks to their ever screwing of Grub configs.
Last time they charged for an OS update was with Mountain Lion, which was also the last “big cat” OS. That was in 2012, and it was only 20$. The last OS release that was over 100$ (or even 50$) was Leopard, in 2007, at 130$. Back then, the only way to get it was on a CD, which is obviously much more expensive to manufacture and distribute than a download…
Obviously an apple shill getting paid in update money
I’m getting a bit tired of seeing this meme get reposted over and over and over and over again.
I see you’re a Windows user.
