- Texas
- Oklahoma
- Louisiana
- (tie) South Carolina
- (tie) Alabama
- Missouri
- Indiana
- Tennessee
- Arkansas
- Florida
I personally agree with this list. But, we have to be pragmatic here. This is what CNBC says they did:
“The study measures quality of life issues including crime, health care, childcare and health care, as well as inclusive policies on discrimination and reproductive rights.”
See, the last two skew this study. People in these shit hole states (not all, but at least enough of the voting public) don’t want inclusive policies or reproductive rights. So, to them, this metric is backwards. They would argue that living in California or New York was way more terrible because of the brown people and gays.
This isn’t exactly a scientific study. It’s taking objective data to reach a subjective conclusion. Neat headline though.
Edit: many if them are arguing exactly that in this thread. With a nice dose of racism and misogyny thrown in. Nice. I love when shit comes full circle.
I mean… if you want to move to one of these states as potentially any type of person (ie. perhaps not white and straight) then the inclusive policies are not an optional feature. If you’re a woman, having the government meddle in your health decisions can actually be life threatening.
For white, straight folks, and especially males, it’s easy to think these other two factors just subjectively improve life, but that’s because they already have a baseline level of respect and power in society.
Based on your take, I’d guess you’re straight, white and male.
Granted, I’m also straight, white, and male… But there are a hell of a lot of women who support abortion bans AND adore Mr “Grab 'em by the Pussy!”
I know one who doesn’t believe God would allow a dangerous, nonviable pregnancy to take hold in (or in the case of ectopic pregnancies, outside of) a woman’s uterus. She just doesn’t believe something as sacred as a uterus can have that kind of flaw built into it.
And even if you could convince her dangerous pregnancies were real, I think @[email protected] was saying that Republican women would not agree that their ability to survive an ectopic pregnancy is good or worth it if it also helps the “sluts” they despise to have more “convenience abortions.”
Surviving might seem pretty good to you and I, but that doesn’t make that ability objectively desirable to the people voting against their own interests. And they would be offended if their access to healthcare was deemed “better” in a quality-of-life metric than access to a set of theocratic restrictions.
They would tell you, “well I’m happier. Liberals think they can speak for me just because I’m a woman and my opinion doesn’t matter! But if they asked me, I’d tell them I would prefer to live in a place where the sanctity of life was valued! They’d have to censor me and edit me out of their videos because I wouldn’t support their narrative!”
I know one who doesn’t believe God would allow a dangerous, nonviable pregnancy to take hold in (or in the case of ectopic pregnancies, outside of) a woman’s uterus. She just doesn’t believe something as sacred as a uterus can have that kind of flaw built into it.
But I guarantee that the second that she (or any other woman with similar views) had a pregnancy that threatened their life, they’d opt for an abortion ASAP. They’ll rationalize that their abortion was justified and blessed by God, but all those other abortions are just “liberal sluts who want to kill babies” or something.
Plenty of people are stupid and side with fascists who actively have their worst interests in mind. Back in the reddit days, that was the basis for /r/leopardsatemyface.
If people are dumb enough to want to be chattel in Gilead? Okay… People were dumb enough to go get on a plane and join ISIS. But I am going to generally still push for basic human rights.
So what are we supposed to do to get them to stop choosing to be horrible like this? Can’t do nothing… ~Cherri
Yup, I am, but if it’s fair to say that the positive things about Florida don’t count because those positive things exist in other states then it seems to me that it’s fair to say that prejudice against minorities should count against those other states too. Florida does not have exclusive rights to mistreatment of minorities. In fact I’m pretty sure that exists in all 50 states.
My only point, was addressing the thought that a poster said he felt sorry for people living in those states (Florida in this case) and all I was saying was it wasn’t like we all just get up every morning and fail to function because we are all so overwhelmed by how bad it is where we live. We have running water in Florida.
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Inclusivity is bringing the west back 100 years
How dare they have inclusivity and care what people think and hear them out for their own ideas and inventions and bringing in more competition to a space. I’d rather have monopolies and monoculture so everything can be Grey and not complex, man that would bring so much innovation in the country! :D
Pretty sure the west wasn’t all that inclusive in 1923.
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Reproductive rights is healthcare.
Yep. It is. That’s sorta the point though. “Worst” is subjective. Personally? I’d never move to one of those 10 places. But, a lot of them think that the lack of reproductive rights is a good thing, not a bad thing.
I don’t think that… But, a lot of folks in America do.
Just not a majority anywhere. Minority rule baby!
Cool, popular and correct are not synonyms
There’s only one thing worse than mob rule by a majority. And that’s authoritarian rule by a minority. So it doesn’t mater.
Lol that’s just what every populist jackass says to avoid actually defending their horrific views.
Did I mention majorities?
Abortion isn’t a right.
Only because the US doesn’t consider healthcare a right because we’re backwards af.
Healthcare isn’t a right because a right cannot be reliant on service provided by others. That’s just an entitlement given out by shitty governments. Not to mention that abortion isn’t Healthcare
Your right to a jury trial depends on the service of your fellow citizens, as well as the judge, etc.
Your right to vote depends on the service of many volunteers to work the polls, count votes, etc.
Rights are granted and protected by governments; whether they require a service is irrelevant.
I disagree that either of those is a right. They’re just procedural rules regarding government power.
So basically this is just a “10 states where you can’t abort your unborn baby and men can’t compete against women in sports” list.
I know you have the ability to read. Go use it instead of posting crap like this. ~Cherri
Go read the article. It’s basically a “who’s who” of stricter abortion and “gender affirming surgery” laws, all other factors be damned. Education? Pfft, who needs it. Infrastructure and technology? Irrelevant. Business quality and work opportunities? As if you’d care about that.
As someone from West Virginia I’m stunned we didn’t make the list. McDowell county is hell on earth. The northern part of the state really does hard carry the rest of it.
Economic and health factors in this ranking are severely downplayed in favor of hot social issues.
The difference two years makes
Moved from TX to DMV in Feb and it’s night and day here. Love the idea of Texas but the reality didn’t come close.
what was your experience like?
Where is DMV?
DC Maryland Virginia area.
Don’t get me wrong it not a utopia but much better. I miss Bucees and HEB. There’s also just as many bad drivers here, and the speed limits are LOOOOOW. But folks are on the whole nicer (which to me is weird as I heard folks here weren’t as nice as in Texas). And where I used to live 4 hours would get you to Beaumont and here it’ll get you through three states.
I grew up on the East Coast and have traveled a lot over the decades.
Yes, the East Coast is full of assholes. Mostly because people don’t feel the need to fake that they love everyone. The cashier at the Wawa’s will be pretty open that she does not want to be there and just wants you to pay and leave. Rather than plastering on a fake smile and asking you how wonderful your day was so that you can do the same and pretend you are the happiest person on the planet.
The result being that when someone actually is “nice” to you, they actually are being nice.
Speed limits annoy the piss out of me but you also tend to not drive for long featureless stretches for an hour at a time.
Spot on assessment from what I have experienced so far here.
I’ve never even been there. I believe you on the nicer, it’s probably genuine and not the superficial “How y’all doing?”
sweats in Georgia
As someone born in Texas and now resides in Oklahoma I agree with this study.
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If you want a good chuckle, here are the states that they say have the best economies. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/13/these-10-states-are-running-americas-best-economies-for-residents.html
Included in the top 10 are:
- Florida
- Texas
- Tennessee
- South Carolina
- Indiana
One would only think that’s surprising or funny if they assumed that “best economy” and “best states to live in” necessarily have a one to one overlap. While I can see there being some overlap, l think we all know that business-friendly policies that foster economic growth almost always come with a suite of larger demographic costs.
The key is to seek balance between what’s good for business and what’s good for the public, and in that light it shouldn’t really come as a surprise that some of the most business-friendly states are also the worst places to live.
Isn’t the inflation rate in Florida the highest in the nation?
Best economies for CEOs.
I happen to agree with the deciding points but the title should clearly be “Worst States To Live & Work In according to Democrats. All 10 Are Republican States”.
Oh bless your heart you never learned to read.
Reading the article makes it blatantly obvious that it’s judged heavily based on metrics that are designed to favor things the democrats want
…like Voting Rights, Crime Rate and Child Care…?
“Life, Health and Inclusion” takes up 14% of the total points.
Lol crying about nonsense voting rights and demanding government child care are massive democrat talking points. What rock have you been under?
So do Republicans not want good Child Care or equal Voting Rights?
As it has already been said in this thread, which metrics would put these states at the top when even statistics published from Fox have the top 10 with 3 states from CNBC’s Top 10 and only 1 from the Bottom 10?
So do Republicans not want good Child Care or equal Voting Rights?
I’m not exactly a big fan of Republicans, but I don’t want the government wasting a dime of my money on child care, and I don’t give a singular fuck about voting rights.
As it has already been said in this thread, which metrics would put these states at the top when even statistics published from Fox have the top 10 with 3 states from CNBC’s Top 10 and only 1 from the Bottom 10?
Unfortunately, I’m a human and not a database scraper bot. I have exactly zero clue what numbers would put this specific combination of states at the top, and I really don’t care to spend the time crunching those numbers.
…how can one not care about voting rights? Do you want other people to decide for you?
And even then, the biggest factors are Percentage of qualified workers, Infrastructure and Stability of the Economy. I don’t really see those as loaded metrics.
Not a single state in that list was a surprise.
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Hey this is pretty level headed and what you’re saying makes sense. Please check out lemmy.world/c/moderate_politics we’d love to have you!
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Ahh yes a scientific unbiased source. Very nice.
I would love to move to Texas. I think this person has a very very bias opinion.
Aww gee, more bashing of the right by the tolerant left. If it weren’t for double standards liberals wouldn’t have any standards at all.
And why should I give a singular fuck about cnbc’s list of personal preferences?
None of the states listed are surprises nor the fact they are all Republican lead states either.
It’s democrats ranking states based off their policies, so of course the Republican states will all be at the bottom lol.
Headline should be: “Democrats say Republican states are worst states to live in”.
We should be posting political articles that aren’t clickbait echo chamber propaganda. Don’t let this become Reddits /r/politics, which was REALLY /r/democrats
You had me in the first half.
It is skewed and should say that it’s terrible for liberals, not MAGA folks
You lost me at /r/politics being a democratic e ho chamber. That’s silly. Sounds like you might be happier in truth social.
“Something bad said against Republicans is propaganda” doesn’t sound fascist at all, huh?
Criticizing blatant propaganda isn’t fascism.
You don’t have the slightest idea what fascism was
Lay it on us then. You’ve brought such riveting commentary so far about “jew propaganda”, so why don’t you educate us all?
Powerful and continuing nationalism Disdain for human rights Identification of enemies as a unifying cause Rampant sexism Controlled mass media Obsession with national security Religion and government intertwined Corporate power protected Labor power suppressed Disdain for intellectual and the arts Obsession with crime and punishment Rampant cronyism and corruption
Oh, and fuck off. 🖕
Can you provide a ranking where you would say these states would come out top? What kind of metric would you like to see being used?
I don’t feel like doing enough data analysis to get a perfect flip of these 10 being on top, but you could use criteria like low tax rates, abortion restrictions, and loose gun laws, and get a pretty solid inverse list.
The better question is what value do these lists have outside of getting a bunch of people who already agree with it circle jerking over how the incredibly biased list proves they’re right?
Ok, let’s be objective and use the “Republican-biased” business website state rankings that took its rankings from WalletHub and focuses on the BEST states for “affordability, economy, education/health, quality of life and safety”.
Holy shit, liberal darling, land of Romneycare, Massachusetts is #1. Followed by…New Jersey…and…New York.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/best-states-america-live-this-year-report
Maybe Fox Business isn’t conservative enough anymore? I guess I need to start looking on the Q-Anon forums for a state ranking.
Per capita membership to neo nazi groups?
You didn’t even read their metrics did you? It’s based on crime rates, healthcare, quality of health, etc. Those are pretty objective measures, and ones that republican-controlled states often fight against (see: reluctance to expand medicaid).
It’s mostly influenced by abortion and trans gender policies though. It’s click bait and political click bait.
Here’s a completely unbiased excerpt about the “worst” state of Texas:
The Lone Star State keeps hacking away at inclusiveness, with laws targeting the LGBTQ+ population, voting rights, and the nation’s strictest abortion ban. Yes, there are enormous economic opportunities in Texas, and it is attracting people from far and wide. But this state also has some Texas-sized issues when it comes to life, health and inclusion. And it is one of the reasons that the state fell out of the overall top five for the first time in the 16-year history of CNBC’s rankings.
Are you trying to say that laws that impact people’s control over their identity are ok?
Your identity is your business, just keep it for yourself instead of trying to abuse women and remove their rights then you’ll become a better person
How is allowing people to identify as the gender that fits them abusive to women?
No one cares what you “identify” as. Identify as a turkey for all anyone cares. The problem is with coerced speech and trying to invade sex-specific places and events.
Coerced speech? Invading? Boy that does sound scary.
You have any other completely imaginary strawmen we should be hypothetically scared of?
Identify as a turkey for all anyone cares.
Was “attack helicopter” taken?
Just that the article happens to align “good” with the Democratic party’s top social stances. I find it extremely hard to believe that the state that left-leaning people are flocking to is the worst in the nation.
Look, I’m all for equal rights for everyone and the government staying out of people’s personal lives. I just don’t want the constant propaganda.
Says the guy bleating conservative propaganda.
Respect for all is not a liberal propaganda conspiracy.
The propaganda… of judging based on those metrics you supposedly support?
It’s propaganda because it’s dismissing the idea that it’s generally a good state to move to economically. Lots of new high value companies setting up shop provide employment opportunities in a state where there is still land to develop.
I mean, Texas would be too hot for me but it seems a little suspicious that there is not a worse state in the union than Texas according to this.
By all means, if you can objectively come to the same conclusion as the article, great! I just don’t trust the validity of their findings and therefore categorize it as propaganda.
You can call it whatever you want, just know that you are badly misusing the word. Propaganda does not mean “anything I disagree with.” Never has.
Just because there are opportunities doesn’t mean they are good opportunities. And even if there are good opportunities, they don’t necessarily comprise all of them. Just enough to draw in some skilled workers (who are still exploited, just better compensated).
But that’s beside the point. The implication of your comment is that the social issues are the ones that comprise the propaganda, not the economic ones. Just because you pivot to something else doesn’t suddenly mean you didn’t make that argument.
Um. Yes. It fucking SUCKS to be a woman, LGBTQ+ + community member, or a minority here in Texas. Good luck if you’re all 3.
This state is a steaming pile of shit and a blight on America. I wish it would secede, but only after the government offers refugee status to those of us who are sane and want to leave.
Then Texas can take its misogynistic, racist, bigoted, xenophobic self and go create its own country. And it can take Florida with it!
I mean, even if you don’t care about basic human rights: it just sucks to be in texas. I try to avoid using bullshit terms like “third world nation” but… texas wishes its power grid was that of what they think a “third world nation” is.
Too cold? Too hot? Too windy? No power for you!
Agreed. I was here for the 2021 Snowpocalypse. Bruh, idk how it was in more rural or northern parts of Texas, but in San Antonio the amount of snow was laughable for shutting the major metropolitan area down like it did.
I was on call for my job and I had to go in three times, and other than under the overpasses where the snow melted and then froze, driving was a non-issue. And yet…businesses were shut down while we all suffered through the rolling blackouts.
My husband and I were lucky, we were getting 15 mins of electricity every hour or so. Other friends were getting 3-5 mins sporadically. I could at least boil our eggs to eat throughout the week.
And now with this heat wave, all over the place ERCOT is advising Texans to keep the thermostat at 80. And certain areas have gone through more rolling blackouts because the grid can’t sustain the AC draw. I’m flabbergasted at this state.
Tangential, but a couple years back I got trapped in Dallas on a connection. Basically as I get off the plane at DFW the entire airport is going insane, people are screaming at every single ticket counter and courtesy booth, people are bracing bathroom doors because they want to sleep in there, etc. I do some googling and figure out that the expectation is to ground flights because of bad weather and maybe one in every ten planes was taking off. Except… DFW is like 60 degrees on a December afternoon and, destination wise, only one or two states are getting hammered (albeit, one of them is mine…).
So they basically shut down EVERY flight that night on the mere threat of snow. I decided to not fight people for spots on planes the next morning and just take a 36 hour layover and was literally in short sleeves in December on my way to the rental car area. While DFW was afraid of a winter weather advisory… Was chatting with the family I shuttled to their hotel that my plane was never going to take off but basically every other one should have.
I will always mock how unprepared ORD is for being Chicago. But at least they actually need snow to shut down for snow.
I suppose that’s the only reasonable explanation that doesn’t involve rethinking anything.
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Facts:
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Alabama number one exporter of Air Quality.
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All other states have inferior Air Quality.
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All other states are run by little girls.
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I moved from MO to IL and never looked back
I posted one comment, got 20 replies from people in less than half an hour. I never even said anything wrong or insulting. This is how you people act both in person and online. It’s sad. I’m lucky to have friends in real life, both liberals and republicans in my group of friends, and all of us can discuss without being mad at each other over some beers.
You people are not the people who will put change in the world. Do better. Community blocked.
There are people who actually tried to discuss with you. You ignored them and wallowed in your victim complex instead. You could block those who you feel are insulting you and engage with the actual attempts for a conversation, like any normal person would.
Why is it always people crying the loudest about no discussion who bail the moment they are confronted for their BS?
Also: No one gives a shit about downvotes or upvotes on Lemmy. Karma literally doesn’t exist here.
If you think disagreeing equals silencing, you should not be on the internet at all.
Aww, somebody got their feefees hurt because their opinion was politely disagreed with.
Yeah, take your ball and go home. Notice you aren’t banned. You’re cowering to your little corner because you can’t actually argue your ‘side’ reasonably. You’re just whining that you think factual information is somehow biased.
We’re all really sad to see you go. Back to Reddit with you.
We are?
But they think they are the best and that’s what makes them so special…
Flop Florida and Tennessee, and bump Mississippi to the top. Florida is way worse than Tennessee, so glad I left the one for the other. Still need to find somewhere better long term though.
If you want to stay on the east, New England, New Jersey, DC, Virginia(Virginia’s the weakest of these options). West coast: Cali, PNW, Colorado. Michigan gets an honorable mention due to the whirlwind of progressive legislation they’ve been passing lately. Along with the more favorable weather they will have long term as climate change destroys the rest of the country. Illinois is apparently pretty ok too but I don’t know much about the state. Source: I’m looking to GTFO of Florida next year and have been reading up on these states for a few months now
E: here’s a tool that helped me get started with my research
Have to stay in Eastern time zone. Initially I was looking at NC, but that has gone downhill lately. My kid wants us to look at Vermont or Maine, but I’m leaning towards Virginia. We tend to avoid large cities, so NJ and DC are out.
Vermont’s gonna be a rough one to move to, they have one of the worst housing shortages in the country atm. Maine might be a good pick, you may want to check out Connecticut too, that’s the one I’m leaning more towards. The towns are small, but close to one another so you get the benefits of a city with a more small town feel. Cost of living is reasonable, schools are good, pretty progressive govt. It checks a lot of my boxes and I get the feeling it might do the same for you.
