As long as they give up the land theyve srolen then let it end otherwise im feelin russia might be in for a very painfull couple more years
Who are they overwhelming? The words must have meaning
“Overwhelming majority” is a very common turn of phrase with a specific meaning. It doesn’t mean that anyone is actually being overwhelmed, just that it’s a very significant majority.
End how?
Their options are pack up and leave, or throw down their weapons and surrender.
Well, they’re probably quite content with their territorial gains and are hopeful that they’ll just conveniently end the war now and keep said territories. That would explain the still relatively high number of supporters the Kremlin still enjoys while also a big chunk of the population wants an end to the war. I think there’s a big overlap between the two groups, which might explain my initial point.
However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.
Further reading the article proves this sadly.
With all the territorial gains, if an article I’ve read here recently was right.
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Go eat some Krokodil.
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Хе хе
Shitty headline. That is ONLY if Russia gets to keep the annexed territories:
However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.
lol I knew I saw the exact opposite headline somewhere. “Majority of russians dont want an end to ukraine war if needed to release territories” or something like that
LOL if the question is like that (“would you stop the war as a winner keeping all the lands and cease the sanctions”) then what the other 30% of people is thinking?
“Keep fighting because I enjoy watching it on the news?”
Keep going until all of Ukraine is annexed?
I think it’s clear to everyone that that is not going to happen.
To those of us with access to media that isn’t pure Russian propaganda, anyway. I suspect Russians without VPN access, (which I believe they recently outlawed,) have a very distorted view of the state of the world.
The fact that the frontline hasn’t significantly moved for over a year, aside from Kherson, should be obvious even from Russian propaganda. (Btw, this also shows that something major needs to happen if Ukraine is to get its territory back)
I really wish Ukrainian allies had given them jets and long-range missiles sooner. Were I in their shoes, I’d give Ukraine the capability of damaging Russian infrastructure and fuck up the supply lines all the way to their source if need be. Make it clear to the average Russian that going with the plan is more dangerous for them than resisting their autocrat. Time is of the essence, every second of delay can be measured in lives.
I would wager 100% of people surveyed would not want to go to jail for giving the wrong answer too.
So why did 34% respond otherwise?
Because they wanted to be or are extremely patriotic and want to win the war.
Jail or the front lines.
And also it states that
70 percent of Russians would support Putin should he decide to end the conflict this week.
It doesn’t necessarily mean that they want to end the war, only that they would support Putin’s decision…
You cannot ask direct questions like: Do you want to overthrow the dictator? And expect a realistic answer in a dictatorship.
You also cannot ask a question like: Should Russia keep it’s territories? Because if you are in a dictatorship, you can go to prison for the wrong answer.
You can lose your job if what you say can be taken from the wrong context.
Merely the fear that such reprisal exists, means that the overwhelming population cannot answer truthfully, even if they wanted to.
So I would take these polls with a grain of salt.
Russians have become masters of knowing how to lie in such a way as their answer tells the real truth.
You plow his British people can be very polite and they mean “fuck you”. A bit like that.
I don’t think the war will end until Putin dies. Whether that be next week or in 20 years.
There’s no way for Putin to retreat and save face. The world can’t afford to allow Russia to win. It will be a horrible stalemate of slaughter until Putin dies and can be blamed by both sides, to be able to negotiate a way out.
I don’t think that scenario has such an optimistic outlook in store. The people in the best position to inherit the seats of power in the Russian state are Putin’s closest clique, who are, for the most part, ultranationalists, who would not only see their newfound power deligitimazed if they immediately signed peace, but would also be acting against their own ideology. Even if there are powerful people in Russia who would prefer to transition towards a different kind of country, they don’t have a clear route to reach power.
I’m worried about Putin getting old and still in power in charge of the warfare.
Stop up voting Newsweek. They are not a reputable publication.
Without being condescending, can you give sauce? And for reference, what you consider reputable publications?
The fact check link posted by the other user is good.
Newsweek tends to take some news fact, often not even fact but a possible outcome of some developing story, and write a full opinion piece on a tangent.
We get a lot of Salon articles here doing the same thing.
As far as reputable, I would say apnews, Reuters, politico, CNN, BBC off the top of my head.
I know CNN will be contested. They have an annoying amount of opinion in their stories, but I do find that they clearly separate what’s objective fact and what’s editorial opinion.
Those are what I use. I’ve tried improvethenews.org, which is based upon AI trying to give balanced articles, but when one side of the political spectrum is so extreme it’s not “balanced” to have equal representation so I have to filter/ignore the pro Trump BS.
Newsweek isn’t terrible (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsweek), but sources like reuters or associated press are usually more reliable.
Seems reasonable. I’ve tried improvethenews.org, which is an AI attempt at balanced reporting. But I’ve found it to put too much equal representation of the extreme right viewpoints, which are not on planet earth so I have to filter/ignore all the pro Trump gibberish.
I’m kinda guessing they’ve never wanted that war to happen in the first place, they probably simply can’t express that without being arrested or something.
Those who support the war are probably brainwashed by propaganda.
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If Ukraine stops fighting, they lose their country. If Russia stops fighting, the war ends.
There are actually Russians who I’ve heard say things like “Crimea is ours anyway,” and “Ukraine is supposed to be a part of Russia.” And I’m talking about Russian emigres in America who are not looking over their shoulders.
It’s not everyone. Mostly blowhard assholes but they do exist. The Russian people aren’t all sitting there thinking the right things but keeping their lips sealed.
The second sentence of this article is stating that only 30% of Russians want to end the war if they have to give back annexed regions of Ukraine.
Yes but there’s a lot of speculation in this thread that they are all just saying what they feel they have to because the KGB is watching. I’m sure that’s true for some but for others the sentiment is genuine.
Oh
Every country has a lot of idiotic nationalists, especially those which have an glorified, imperialist past. What matters is how much suffering are they willing to impose upon themselves to satisfy the demands of their collective narcissism, and Russians who live abroad aren’t going to be the ones suffering it the most.
And those who’ve left the motherland are probably not the most nationalist, so there you go.
You would think that but it isn’t always so clear. My college had a sizable chunk, if not a majority, of foreign Chinese students and they were extremely patriotic/nationalist.
But to be fair maybe those who never left China are even more patriotic, I wouldn’t know.
I hope the majority of the world wants all wars to end. The ones in power don’t
Confiscate the wealth of Billionaires and the majority of conflicts would cease
I’m afraid you’re underestimating the effects of propaganda and nationalism. Those can do frightening things to normal humans.
Propaganda, nationalism, and fear of what regressive shitheads will do if you vocalize any opposition
I know. My hope is false hope
Pretty important detail missing from the headline:
However, if ending the war would include Russia returning the territories that it has occupied and annexed throughout the conflict, only a third (34 percent) of respondents said they would support that decision.
That’s a pretty critical detail… The headline becomes incredibly misleading without it. It should read: “Overwhelming majority of Russians now want to win Ukraine war”
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Most Russians now support ending President Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine, according to a poll published by Russia’s Levada Center, an independent research organization based in Moscow.
Levada’s latest poll comes months into Ukraine’s slow-moving counteroffensive to reclaim the territories Russia has seized throughout the war, and as Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on Monday floated the prospect of peace talks between Kyiv and Moscow.
The results are significant given that stringent laws passed in Russia in March 2022 made criticizing the Russian military and the war in Ukraine illegal.
An August poll by the Levada Center showed that just 38 percent of respondents “definitely” support the actions of Russia’s armed forces in Ukraine.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said on multiple occasions that he will not comply with the Kremlin’s non-negotiable conditions for peace talks, including that Kyiv must accept the September 2022 annexation of four of its regions—Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia—following referendums called by Putin that were deemed illegal by the international community.
Zelensky has pushed a 10-step “peace formula,” which includes radiation and nuclear safety; food security; energy security; the release of all prisoners and deported persons; implementation of the U.N. Charter and restoration of Ukraine’s territorial integrity and the world order; withdrawal of Russian troops and cessation of hostilities; restoration of justice; countering ecocide; preventing escalation; and finally, confirmation of the end of the war.
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Good start, but they’ll need to stop imagining they can keep Crimea.
Even before the annexation, crimea was mostly pro-russian. If anything there should be another referendum, but this time with guarantees.
Edit: I know the right to self-determination is controversial, you may not like what others decide for themselves, that’s your business; but please don’t bother if you just want to talk nonsense, misrepresent or putting words in my mouth. Thanks.
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“Guarantees” LOL like what? Super pinky swear?
Which annexation?
https://www.history.com/news/crimea-russia-ukraine-annexation
That piece of land has a very long and complex history and not something you can boil down to “they asked for it.”
Do you mean the referendum that was held after Russian forces had annexed it? The one that they claimed received a 97% vote for the integration? That referendum?
Yeah, I’m sure that was legit.
The last time they were polled about this, 66% was for joining, and the trend for that number was going down. Some other figures were much lower to begin with. I do agree with you that it would be interesting to know now where that number would actually, truthfully be.
I say we support ukraine until they raid Moscow and buttfuck putin with something sharp.
That’s not the goal and the Ukrainians aren’t going to waste their lives pushing to Moscow. They just want their country back, that’s been there intent since day 1.
Never claimed it was their plan, I was making a statement over how long I would support them and their struggle.
Yeah… But the wrong question was asked… “Do you want to save your sons and pay the price of rebuilding Ukraine as it was before your aggression?”
Fuck russia.
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