Lmao, poland mentioned
I’ve got no loyalty at all to communism or marxism. But I do have a loyalty to honesty, and I have to object. I don’t see a denial of the Massacre in the screenshotted comment. I see a characterization of it as some kind of US-led attack.
They aren’t saying anything like “that didn’t happen” or “people didn’t die”. Maybe they say it elsewhere, but not here.
Bingo. There’s a difference between saying it didn’t happen and “it happened but it was good”. I would say later is worse. But pretending they are saying something they clearly are not isn’t good
Does anyone create a social media platform without being an absolute nutjob? Tom from Myspace, maybe?
Forever <3 CJayC, but GameFAQs didn’t start as forums.
I once looked up a question about an old videogame and Google directed me to GameFAQs, to a comment made by me that answered it.
Which I think is part of their problem, right?
They’re supposed to be a guide site but they became about the forum.
Eh, the forum era was pretty great itself. There are many guides and FAQs and resources that wouldn’t exist without the collaborative environment of the forums. They were an important part of the GameFAQs equation. The real problem is that the admin who took over after CJayC stepped down just didn’t have it. He wasn’t as principled as CJayC. He loaded the place up with super obtrusive ads and cared more about the letter of the law than the spirit of the community. Then reddit and the wikia/Fandom ecosystems started to replace the function of the declining GameFAQs. And that’s kind of our current normal, although the flaws in it are becoming more and more apparent.
Don’t quote me on this but I went to school with Tom and, during a dissection, nicked my finger with a scalpel. He quickly lifted my hand and proceeded to suck my finger for the rest of class. It took 3 large men to separate my digit from his mouth and 2 more to fish out my fingertip. I heard they pumped 3 pints of blood from his stomach.
I worked with Tom at a pizza hut in the 90s. Dude would always stick his dick in the pizza oven. I never noticed any crazy behavior from him, though.
I use Kbin so I don’t really care, but couldn’t someone with at least a little bit of sanity just fork Lemmy? Or at the very least create more instances that aren’t run by brainless delusional extremists…
I believe beehaw is currently doing that, and I wouldn’t be surprised if other instance developers are doing the same in their own time.
Beehaw is not forking Lemmy. It’s just leaving Lemmy for their own webpage, a forum or something like that. I really appreciate the idea of forking Lemmy, but nobody seems to think about that.
I’m thinking about it, but I don’t have free time atm.
I agree with the sentiment of forking lemmy. It’ll add more alternative platforms aswell which Is great
Holy shit that’s bad.
Lemmy is a poisoned seed. Besides the questionable lead developers, you have the most popular lemmy instances enforcing rules arbitrarily while lying about it and removing entries from the modlog arbitrarily making them all but useless. At least it will be a good exercise in determining how well its federated nature allows it to survive.
Given how often it has happened, I’d say it’s the fate of these sort of migrations from other major social networks to be spearhead by lying opportunists and people trying to hide their flaws through abuse of power. Unfortunately, social networks are far removed from the time when the people doing the spearheading where acting as good faith developers exploring what was possible - they’d probably be among the first to get gaslit and DDOSed.
Good read, but it should really say psychopaths instead of sociopaths. Sociopaths are those who really aren’t capable of influencing other people because of their social pathologies, although anyone in the mental health industry would probably say both terms are obsolete.
Rules. Lame
Gaslighting. Lamer.
I’m curious about mod log editing, can you elaborate?
But yeah, ml has basically marked my accounts at this point because I’ve repeatedly challenged their socialist orthodoxy and they seem really upset about it. Basically any time I comment I get another ban with no explanation.
No modlog editing happened. The modlog is federated so editing it makes no sense.
Look up the user internettubes in the modlog and you will find it:
Ok, so it seems that bans by admins don’t show up on the modlog after two days. There wasn’t anything that indicated the auto-filtering so it’s sort of a black box scenario, and it sort of defeats the purpose of the modlog if you have to know the event you are looking for to begin with.
Regarding it being “federated”, I can find InternetTubes both on lemmy.world and lemmy.ml, but lemmy.world’s modlog also shows that kbin.social/InternetTubes has been banned YET lemmy.ml’s modlog doesn’t show it, so the claim that all that is modlog is federated seems sort of iffy.
Now that you are here, as an admin of the instance, can you say anything else about the ban versus what the user is claiming, or is it supposed to be left to speculation?
Regarding it being “federated”, I can find InternetTubes both on lemmy.world and lemmy.ml, but lemmy.world’s modlog also shows that kbin.social/InternetTubes has been banned YET lemmy.ml’s modlog doesn’t show it, so the claim that all that is modlog is federated seems sort of iffy.
So my “claim” is “iffy”, ok. Any Lemmy admin can tell you there are issues with the code. And why would an action from LW purposely be removed from the modlog on lemmy.ml?
You can’t convince me that you’re not internettubes yourself btw. You started posting as soon as Internettubes was banned and the few conversations you join is about the ban.
Now that you are here, as an admin of the instance, can you say anything else about the ban versus what the user is claiming, or is it supposed to be left to speculation?
What’s not clear? The user publicly said they did not agree to the TOS so they got removed. If you don’t agree during signup your account will be locked as well.
And why would an action from LW purposely be removed from the modlog on lemmy.ml?
Are you asking me why instances who might want to abuse their power might not propagate certain actions to other instances so they aren’t as visible? Or why it might seem like a bug when attempts at removal don’t seem to work out? I’m not accusing you, but these are valid concerns lemmy has to face.
But yeah, f it’s “bad server code” and not actually federated when bugs occur, there’s not much of a point to claiming they are. So far I don’t see that there might have been willing intent to screw with the modlog as the original complaint suggested, but it shouldn’t be left up to good faith. If it’s supposed to be federated, it should be. If everything isn’t getting federated, it should be clear what isn’t. If the modlog isn’t displaying everything, it should be clear when it isn’t. As of now, to anyone who can’t bother to look at the code, it’s a black box and it’s clear that the modlogs between servers aren’t lining up the same.
The user publicly said they did not agree to the TOS so they got removed.
Where did the user say they did not agree with the TOS? No point in not citing the original comment that was archived, because there’s no point there at which it does. It only contains criticism in a thread made by admins saying they were open to criticism. The closest it comes to not agreeing with the TOS is the criticism here:
“You waive Lemmy.World … from any claims resulting from any action taken by Lemmy.World, and any of the foregoing parties relating to any investigations by either us or by law enforcement authorities.” - I see many lawyers try to sneak this one, but there are very few courts that wouldn’t allow me to file a claim even with this under a Terms of Service I haven’t even had to explicitly indicate I agree with if, say, lemmy.world decided to violate my GDPR protections because censors in China didn’t like a comment I made about Tiananmen Square, requested my personal private data lemmy.world has on me, and they decided to give it to them.
But at least thanks for opening up on that. Is it also true that you haven’t contacted them or responded to them directly either?
You can’t convince me that you’re not internettubes yourself btw. You started posting as soon as Internettubes was banned and the few conversations you join is about the ban.
Considering how little it took for a user to get their entire user account purged and banned, I’m not sure why you would consider it surprising that anyone else who raises an eyebrow wouldn’t want to risk any previous account they made.
It’s a testament that you haven’t banned this account already from the instance given how you treated the original user, but it still seems like hunting around for an excuse, like maybe being able to apply the label of “ban evasion” like that you gave kbin.social/InternetTubes, just to dismiss criticism.
You and AvaddonLFC certainly seem to know each other personally and are the two most active admins on the instance, so if I do seem to be pushing this, it’s because I am definitely concerned about making any considerable amount of contributions over a considerable degree of time only to have it deleted or removed with a complete and utter disregard.
I’d rather face the problem sooner rather than later. Allowing it or not saying anything about it is basically allowing a way to gaslight and remove the reputation a user might have built up over time to one where it’s just a random claim versus a position of seniority. I’ll give you that I am one of the few people who seems to care about the issue, so I probably won’t be returning to my lemmy.world account, at least not without a VPN proxy and a separate VM instance.
Lol you’re really working overtime to defend the utter bullshit your instance calls moderation standards
It comes from the IWB archivals mentioned here: https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/554307/Just-wanted-a-warning-Lemmy-World-is-perhaps-worse-than-reddit
Basically take https://web.archive.org/web/20231019235547/https://lemmy.world/modlog and try to find the same in this later one https://web.archive.org/web/20231021224842/https://lemmy.world/modlog . You’ll find a lot of missing gaps.
Looks like they didn’t like somebody referencing Tiemaman square
This shit is so embarrassing
I’m having a hard time accepting that lemmygrad and hexbear are practically official Lemmy shit, instead of just these weird parasitic communities that flocked to a more open platform after being banned everywhere else.
lemmygrad is run by nutomic and dessalines. you’re right tho that hexbear is just… a bunch of unsocial weirdos who were asked to leave everywhere else because they were unpleasant to interact with
Recently had someone argue Palestine isn’t genocide because the Arab population in Israel is going up.
Any obsession with birth rates is a red flag for brain worms, as surely as talking about skull shape.
There’s some fair clause that it is a genocide, though if it is, it goes both ways. That and most of the conditions that Palestine and Gaza put themselves in are from their own mistakes and faults in the past, such as declaring war a few times (and losing all of them), attacking their neighbouring countries and attacking Europe.
Not that this justifies Israel’s violence. They were killing innocent Arabs before Hamas.
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Any intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group - in whole or in part - is genocide.
This includes killing people, causing severe bodily or mental harm, preventing births, forcibly transferring children to another group, or deliberately creating conditions calculated to bring about physical destruction.
Doing it counts. Conspiring to do it counts. Publicly inciting it to happen counts. Trying to do it obviously counts. Being complicit in any of that, counts.
This is the fucking UN definition of genocide. I am just barely paraphrasing from the relevant articles of convention. If you care more about tone-policing and gatekeeping than you do about an overt effort to dehumanize and kill a specific group in a specific region for ethnic and religious differences, you can eat shit.
If not - we can talk.
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In light of the edit overtly declaring bigoted superiority, reported and blocked.
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Don’t bother. Mindbleach has been a perpetual spammer who just yells his moronic political stances and then acts like he’s superior by ignoring everything anyone else says.
Hey buddy? They both are. Israel is why Palestine is an open-air prison. Israel is the side that keeps killing those human shields, indiscriminately, without one shred of remorse. Apartments, hospitals, refugee centers, whatever.
Maybe inviting the world’s Jews to “go back to Africa” in the exact goddamn center of the Muslim middle-east was not a sensible idea, in terms of minimizing ethno-religious strife.
No country wanted to kill as many Germans as possible - they wanted the fucking war to end. They wanted to kill Hitler specifically, disrupt the Nazi regime, and go back to merely civilized levels of hating one another. Israel hasn’t fucking done that, with Palestine. Mostly they’ve just continued bombing. They’ve made token efforts to claim they want a rehabilitated Palestinian state… but always alongside collective abuses like the strict blockade that obviously leaves Israel in de-facto control of the region’s survival.
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Have it your way.
Hey asshole - don’t split hairs about Gaza versus Palestine, then freely swap between Palestine and Hamas!
For the second and final time: saying you’re gonna do it is not the only thing that counts. Israel’s actions constitute genocide. What they say does not matter. The fact Hamas says it out loud neither absolves Israel nor condemns the rest of Palestine.
If Palestine gets their way, they’ll stop being a densely-populated ghetto amid fresh piles of rubble. Israel will stop using the actions of Hamas to justify killing X*10 number of Palestinians. Children and journalists will stop getting shot near the fuckoff enormous wall keeping them pressed against a sea they’re not really allowed to use.
Human shields did not bomb Israel. Declaring “THEY” keep doing it is collective punishment - also a war crime, by the way. All of this is two sides that fucking hate each other and keep doing obscene violence to each other, and your dumb ass wants to pretend it’s just a poor widdle innocent nuclear power being existentially threatened by people without consistent access to food.
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Some basic missing information there.
Arab-Muslims in the region was hard at work genocidig (per your definition) the Jewish population.
The most known example is the elimination of the Jewish community in 1929 from Gaza, the community lived there for hundreds of years. Other Jewish communities in the area was constantly attacked throughout the years.
The next major event was Arab countries kicking out all the Jews from their lands while steeling all their belonging. Which you defined as a genocide.
The old Muslim threat in the region was first Saturday, than Sunday. Meaning, first we get reed of the Jews, afterwards we take care of Christmas. This still shapes older Jewish communities in Israel.
In 1977 the political map of Israel changed. Jewish politicians from Arab background took power. Along with that, came harsher treatment of Palestinians. The Palestinians had multiple chances of getting a country from left leaning Israeli politicians, with western background. They refused them all.
The secular Jewish population from European background is losing political power over time. Meaning that even if Trump won’t kick them out, they won’t get many more oppertunities from the Israeli side.
tl;dr “inviting the world’s Jews to “go back to Africa” in the exact goddamn center of the Muslim middle-east” is pure bullshit, many, if not most, Jews already lived in the region.
We? You’re not from Israel, are you? If not, then you should probably shut up.
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If you don’t have a citizenship, you don’t have much of an input.
You’ll need to chill tho
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What’s the state of Poland, though?
As someone living in Poland I have no idea what is he talking about. Poland is like any other european country. Maybe somewhat more right wing leaning than western EU, but that’s it.
@BlackLaZoR Oh, right, so it’s the same nazi-calling-of-whatever-they-don’t-like stuff they usually do. Kind of a far left version of “Look what’s happening in Sweden” kind of thing.
you called for me?
Kind of a far left version of “Look what’s happening in Sweden” kind of thing.
Well, Sweden has a rising crime issue since 1970s. Especially increase in rape after year 2000 is concerning
About the Sweden thing, I think he was probably talking about the bombings but I don’t know much about it
@tkk13909 not sure what bombings. The thing is that back then Sweeden was regarded as a highly progressive country, with similar refugee-accepting policies of Germany. The far/alt-right was consistently showcasing how because of the refugees related policies, terror attacks were rampant. Yet that was not the case.
/r/asktankies
Really? JFC
Lmao, poland mentioned
Hmm. That reads just like the most sane lemmygrad.ml user. Could that whole place be just actual bots?
You don’t have to like the artist?
except they make decisions that affect the entirety of lemmy, such as introducing Hexbear into the fediverse
Ah, so I am not the only one suffering from posts from that instance. Hexbear was so bad I had to block that instance from appearing in my feed.
I wish I could. That does not work on kbin. Wonder why that is.
How? Hexbear decided to make their fork compatible with Lemmy again and to federate. And as you know plenty of instances defederated with hexbear since.
The devs helped assist with that.
I know - but how does that affect any other instance? Doesn’t stop us from defederating.
Yeah … But that power is only in their hands because the rest of us are complacent, like for me I don’t think I have the time to take over lemmy development :/
How do you mean? Lemmy is open source, anyone can create an instance, they don’t need the developers permission… And other instances are free to defederate from them.
What’s Hexbear?
Another tankie instance
Oh, okay but do the Lemmy devs really have control over who starts an instance? Isn’t this the whole point of the fediverse or do I have it wrong?
They don’t have control over instances, no. However they can deny tech support or delisting your instance with others across the fediverse.
What are you talking about? What specific support hexbear needs?
Censorship, we need more censorship
What do you mean?
Don’t the Lemmy devs and the Hexbears moderators have overlapping people?
I wondered the same for kbin.
Nah, that’s lemmygrad
Exactly, we’d have no technology if we refused to use things that have been created from less than moral beginnings
Indeed. Like a ton of modern medicine is based upon the findings of Nazi scientists torturing Jews and others.
It is bad that it happened, but we wouldn’t be saving so many lives if we denied the information.
That’s not actually true as far as I know. The Nazi experiments were rarely truly ‘scientific’, instead being poorly documented and often having no or poor controls.
A lot of their ‘research’ ended up being unusable, unreproducible or just plain wrong.
Bad is putting it lightly. It’s an atrocity.
That’s a common misconception. Nazi scientists were surprisingly incompetent, like they didn’t document shit, no control or even reason for doing what they did. Most of it seemed to exist just to torture people and the results were just useless. Because of how shit they were as scientists they didn’t even learn about torture.
Oh and another shining example was when Nazies got flat earthers in their rocketry department who did not account for the curvature of the earth thus missing every time at long range. Also any evidence that counteracted their science was called Jewish science and discarded.
And yet they never seem to want to move to china or russia.
No why would they do that
They need a Holiday in Cambodia
“Gotta say, I’ve noticed how many people are dressed in black around here…”
Cambodia is awesome, a holiday there would really be a great idea
Bold of you to assume Lemmygrad isn’t already Russian
Nah, lemmygrad is 100 percent American.
Just a coincidence they spontaneously parrot all of Putin’s talking points?
Nah, I’m not saying they’re all Russian, but they’re clearly compromised somewhere. A lot of somewheres.
They’re what the Soviet Union referred to as “useful idiots”. They parrot Russian propaganda because they like the aesthetics. They aren’t all Russians themselves. In fact, I would be willing to bet most aren’t.
I totally understand the reasoning behind thinking it’s state actors or certain members being shills–But there’s not much to gain for governments to shill in niche, extremist communities. Why shill your loyal followers when they parrot everything already? Instead, it’s much more effective to use large, mainstream social media websites, like Twitter, Reddit or Facebook, just check out anything politically trending to see the shills and contrast them with these users.
It is true, these small communities do swallow up state propaganda without much thought, but they aren’t shills. Most are just lonely people who hate everything and themselves.
I think it’s fairly important to remember that Hexbear/Lemmygrad are basically why Lemmy exists, and largely emigrated after the Reddit Chapo ban, at least as far as I understand things.
They weren’t entirely niche communities at first, and now they’re the most active communities on Lemmy, which may or may not grow into something bigger, but most importantly they’ve inherited the damage the used to have.
I mean, have you ever listened to ChapoTrapHouse? They were pretty solidly democratic socialist. Something happened to that community to turn it into Hexbear. It could have been natural, but their messaging is just so consistent it seems unlikely.
They never looked dem soc to me as they advocated liberally for the venezuelan militia to murder venezuelans protesting the socialist dictatorship and parroted Venezuela’s government party line to anyone that cared to listen
“No, I want to ruin my country!”
