• El Barto
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    332 years ago

    Could anyone please add more context? I see some reddit user spewing some bullshit, but how do we know that’s Dessalines? Genuine question…

  • @[email protected]
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    102 years ago

    People are advocating about blocking commingles and stuff when one doesn’t like then, and here we are with people obsessed with 2 other people digging all their past comments from years ago and reposting in a community here anything that doesn’t reaches this place because it is either blocked or defederated.

    So if anyone has blocked them, not to miss the news smh

  • @[email protected]
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    222 years ago

    Lemmy is a poisoned seed. Besides the questionable lead developers, you have the most popular lemmy instances enforcing rules arbitrarily while lying about it and removing entries from the modlog arbitrarily making them all but useless. At least it will be a good exercise in determining how well its federated nature allows it to survive.

    Given how often it has happened, I’d say it’s the fate of these sort of migrations from other major social networks to be spearhead by lying opportunists and people trying to hide their flaws through abuse of power. Unfortunately, social networks are far removed from the time when the people doing the spearheading where acting as good faith developers exploring what was possible - they’d probably be among the first to get gaslit and DDOSed.

      • @[email protected]
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        12 years ago

        Good read, but it should really say psychopaths instead of sociopaths. Sociopaths are those who really aren’t capable of influencing other people because of their social pathologies, although anyone in the mental health industry would probably say both terms are obsolete.

    • @[email protected]
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      132 years ago

      I’m curious about mod log editing, can you elaborate?

      But yeah, ml has basically marked my accounts at this point because I’ve repeatedly challenged their socialist orthodoxy and they seem really upset about it. Basically any time I comment I get another ban with no explanation.

      • Antik 👾
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        No modlog editing happened. The modlog is federated so editing it makes no sense.

        Look up the user internettubes in the modlog and you will find it:

        • @[email protected]
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          12 years ago

          Ok, so it seems that bans by admins don’t show up on the modlog after two days. There wasn’t anything that indicated the auto-filtering so it’s sort of a black box scenario, and it sort of defeats the purpose of the modlog if you have to know the event you are looking for to begin with.

          Regarding it being “federated”, I can find InternetTubes both on lemmy.world and lemmy.ml, but lemmy.world’s modlog also shows that kbin.social/InternetTubes has been banned YET lemmy.ml’s modlog doesn’t show it, so the claim that all that is modlog is federated seems sort of iffy.

          Now that you are here, as an admin of the instance, can you say anything else about the ban versus what the user is claiming, or is it supposed to be left to speculation?

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            Regarding it being “federated”, I can find InternetTubes both on lemmy.world and lemmy.ml, but lemmy.world’s modlog also shows that kbin.social/InternetTubes has been banned YET lemmy.ml’s modlog doesn’t show it, so the claim that all that is modlog is federated seems sort of iffy.

            So my “claim” is “iffy”, ok. Any Lemmy admin can tell you there are issues with the code. And why would an action from LW purposely be removed from the modlog on lemmy.ml?

            You can’t convince me that you’re not internettubes yourself btw. You started posting as soon as Internettubes was banned and the few conversations you join is about the ban.

            Now that you are here, as an admin of the instance, can you say anything else about the ban versus what the user is claiming, or is it supposed to be left to speculation?

            What’s not clear? The user publicly said they did not agree to the TOS so they got removed. If you don’t agree during signup your account will be locked as well.

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              And why would an action from LW purposely be removed from the modlog on lemmy.ml?

              Are you asking me why instances who might want to abuse their power might not propagate certain actions to other instances so they aren’t as visible? Or why it might seem like a bug when attempts at removal don’t seem to work out? I’m not accusing you, but these are valid concerns lemmy has to face.

              But yeah, f it’s “bad server code” and not actually federated when bugs occur, there’s not much of a point to claiming they are. So far I don’t see that there might have been willing intent to screw with the modlog as the original complaint suggested, but it shouldn’t be left up to good faith. If it’s supposed to be federated, it should be. If everything isn’t getting federated, it should be clear what isn’t. If the modlog isn’t displaying everything, it should be clear when it isn’t. As of now, to anyone who can’t bother to look at the code, it’s a black box and it’s clear that the modlogs between servers aren’t lining up the same.

              The user publicly said they did not agree to the TOS so they got removed.

              Where did the user say they did not agree with the TOS? No point in not citing the original comment that was archived, because there’s no point there at which it does. It only contains criticism in a thread made by admins saying they were open to criticism. The closest it comes to not agreeing with the TOS is the criticism here:

              “You waive Lemmy.World … from any claims resulting from any action taken by Lemmy.World, and any of the foregoing parties relating to any investigations by either us or by law enforcement authorities.” - I see many lawyers try to sneak this one, but there are very few courts that wouldn’t allow me to file a claim even with this under a Terms of Service I haven’t even had to explicitly indicate I agree with if, say, lemmy.world decided to violate my GDPR protections because censors in China didn’t like a comment I made about Tiananmen Square, requested my personal private data lemmy.world has on me, and they decided to give it to them.

              But at least thanks for opening up on that. Is it also true that you haven’t contacted them or responded to them directly either?

              You can’t convince me that you’re not internettubes yourself btw. You started posting as soon as Internettubes was banned and the few conversations you join is about the ban.

              Considering how little it took for a user to get their entire user account purged and banned, I’m not sure why you would consider it surprising that anyone else who raises an eyebrow wouldn’t want to risk any previous account they made.

              It’s a testament that you haven’t banned this account already from the instance given how you treated the original user, but it still seems like hunting around for an excuse, like maybe being able to apply the label of “ban evasion” like that you gave kbin.social/InternetTubes, just to dismiss criticism.

              You and AvaddonLFC certainly seem to know each other personally and are the two most active admins on the instance, so if I do seem to be pushing this, it’s because I am definitely concerned about making any considerable amount of contributions over a considerable degree of time only to have it deleted or removed with a complete and utter disregard.

              I’d rather face the problem sooner rather than later. Allowing it or not saying anything about it is basically allowing a way to gaslight and remove the reputation a user might have built up over time to one where it’s just a random claim versus a position of seniority. I’ll give you that I am one of the few people who seems to care about the issue, so I probably won’t be returning to my lemmy.world account, at least not without a VPN proxy and a separate VM instance.

            • @[email protected]
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              22 years ago

              Lol you’re really working overtime to defend the utter bullshit your instance calls moderation standards

  • JokeDeity
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    402 years ago

    Does anyone create a social media platform without being an absolute nutjob? Tom from Myspace, maybe?

    • [email protected]
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      312 years ago

      Don’t quote me on this but I went to school with Tom and, during a dissection, nicked my finger with a scalpel. He quickly lifted my hand and proceeded to suck my finger for the rest of class. It took 3 large men to separate my digit from his mouth and 2 more to fish out my fingertip. I heard they pumped 3 pints of blood from his stomach.

      • @[email protected]
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        I once looked up a question about an old videogame and Google directed me to GameFAQs, to a comment made by me that answered it.

        Which I think is part of their problem, right?

        They’re supposed to be a guide site but they became about the forum.

        • LegionEris [she/her]
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          52 years ago

          Eh, the forum era was pretty great itself. There are many guides and FAQs and resources that wouldn’t exist without the collaborative environment of the forums. They were an important part of the GameFAQs equation. The real problem is that the admin who took over after CJayC stepped down just didn’t have it. He wasn’t as principled as CJayC. He loaded the place up with super obtrusive ads and cared more about the letter of the law than the spirit of the community. Then reddit and the wikia/Fandom ecosystems started to replace the function of the declining GameFAQs. And that’s kind of our current normal, although the flaws in it are becoming more and more apparent.

    • @[email protected]
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      222 years ago

      I worked with Tom at a pizza hut in the 90s. Dude would always stick his dick in the pizza oven. I never noticed any crazy behavior from him, though.

  • @[email protected]
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    612 years ago

    This is a factor in why I really want kbin/mbin to succeed. I also think it has the potential to be the better platform, but only time will tell.

    • @[email protected]
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      52 years ago

      Wouldn’t a fork be easier? I have high hopes for mbin but I really can’t understand why Lemmy hasn’t been forked yet.

    • @[email protected]
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      172 years ago

      I think both kinda suck, so I’m making my own that’s completely distributed instead of federated. That way hosting costs are near zero (just need some P2P nodes and a download server) and scaling to higher user counts should be automatic if I build it right.

      The problem is that building it right is hard, and I don’t have a ton of time.

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          Not yet, but I’ll definitely post something when I get to a point where I’m ready to share the code. I definitely want it to be open source, I just want enough functionality there so the long term vision is clear.

          But here’s some details of what I’m trying to achieve:

          • web of trust-based moderation - no “mods,” only metadata from people you trust (upvotes, downvotes, blocks, etc)
          • all storage on devices of users of the service - the more storage you provide, the better your experience; your preferred communities have first priority, but everyone stores something random from the service
          • text posts only, at least to start - images/videos need to be hosted elsewhere

          I’m building it initially as a desktop app, but I’ll port it later to mobile and maybe web (still trying to figure out how web would work; maybe some notion of instances?).

          I’m hoping to bridge to lemmy with an ActivityPub service to get content, but I’m not working on that until the above is ready.

          • @[email protected]
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            31 year ago

            This sounds interesting, but how do you plan on stopping illegal content being stored on users devices? If there is any chance a user could unknowingly be hosting illegal content that could lead to some very big issues.

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              Still working on that, but I have some ideas:

              • text only - images, videos, and other binary content must be stored elsewhere (could still have links though)
              • data is stored encrypted (user option) - wouldn’t show up in scans
              • clear separation between “stuff I’m interested in” and “random stuff I’m hosting for the network” - plausible deniability
              • perhaps an option to opt out of random data storage - you’d still store stuff you’re interested in

              But yeah, that’s a huge part of why I’m unwilling to share the code until I’m comfortable with the moderation engine. I think there’s an opportunity to use that moderation engine to reduce storage of CSAM (i.e. don’t store data from blocked users).

      • Natanael
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        12 years ago

        You mean scuttlebutt? Or something with content addressing like a fork of bluesky?

    • BlackLaZoR
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      As someone living in Poland I have no idea what is he talking about. Poland is like any other european country. Maybe somewhat more right wing leaning than western EU, but that’s it.

        • Krafty Kactus
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          About the Sweden thing, I think he was probably talking about the bombings but I don’t know much about it

          • petrescatraian
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            @tkk13909 not sure what bombings. The thing is that back then Sweeden was regarded as a highly progressive country, with similar refugee-accepting policies of Germany. The far/alt-right was consistently showcasing how because of the refugees related policies, terror attacks were rampant. Yet that was not the case.

  • @[email protected]
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    62 years ago

    This comment is pretty old. Do we really want to demonize anything anyone has said? I’ve probably said some ideological embarrassing things in the past.

    Unless he’s still pushing these talking points, I really don’t see the point

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      This comment is pretty old.

      It’s from 2021, it’s post pandemic for god’s sake it’s hardly ancient history.

      I’ve probably said some ideological embarrassing things in the past.

      Yeah but no one cares about the things you say because you’re not a major software developer. If you were it would also be perfectly acceptable to have a go at you about some of your less desirable talking points.

      Unless he’s still pushing these talking points

      Yeah but he is isn’t he? That’s the point he hasn’t got any better he’s still out there doing it.

    • @[email protected]
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      82 years ago

      2y is really not that old and they have had a track record with those comments starting from over on reddit which resulted in a ban and them developing this website. The plans for this site came from being so out spoken about it. Your point would be valid if they hadn’t said anything and showed to be actively correcting themselves for those last two years.

      • @[email protected]
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        I’ll be honest, not sure what it was about that day, but I thought the comment said 7 years, not 2. So my apologies on that. But apparently there’s enough recent dribble to that even if it was 7 years it wouldn’t matter. Thankfully, the nature of open source projects is that we can fork and continue onwards if this ever causes issues.

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      I considered that and removed the other threads. Though I think this one should be an exception (even if it’s from reddit), mostly because it’s almost a copypaste of Dessaline’s github–Hell this comment may have been where that part of the github originated.

      For those unaware, Dessaline has quite the extensive github of tankie ideology and talking points, I’ve read through most of it and it’s pretty fucking shit. Some of the “sources” are literally just random tweets. It’s very akin to those anti-vax gish gallop diarrhoea spiels where they think memes are sources.

    • @[email protected]
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      2110 months ago

      I’m having a hard time accepting that lemmygrad and hexbear are practically official Lemmy shit, instead of just these weird parasitic communities that flocked to a more open platform after being banned everywhere else.

      • The Quuuuuill
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        lemmygrad is run by nutomic and dessalines. you’re right tho that hexbear is just… a bunch of unsocial weirdos who were asked to leave everywhere else because they were unpleasant to interact with

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    I use Kbin so I don’t really care, but couldn’t someone with at least a little bit of sanity just fork Lemmy? Or at the very least create more instances that aren’t run by brainless delusional extremists…

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      I agree with the sentiment of forking lemmy. It’ll add more alternative platforms aswell which Is great

    • @[email protected]OPM
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      I believe beehaw is currently doing that, and I wouldn’t be surprised if other instance developers are doing the same in their own time.

      • Ignacio
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        Beehaw is not forking Lemmy. It’s just leaving Lemmy for their own webpage, a forum or something like that. I really appreciate the idea of forking Lemmy, but nobody seems to think about that.

          • @[email protected]
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            Just a coincidence they spontaneously parrot all of Putin’s talking points?

            Nah, I’m not saying they’re all Russian, but they’re clearly compromised somewhere. A lot of somewheres.

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              They’re what the Soviet Union referred to as “useful idiots”. They parrot Russian propaganda because they like the aesthetics. They aren’t all Russians themselves. In fact, I would be willing to bet most aren’t.

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              I totally understand the reasoning behind thinking it’s state actors or certain members being shills–But there’s not much to gain for governments to shill in niche, extremist communities. Why shill your loyal followers when they parrot everything already? Instead, it’s much more effective to use large, mainstream social media websites, like Twitter, Reddit or Facebook, just check out anything politically trending to see the shills and contrast them with these users.

              It is true, these small communities do swallow up state propaganda without much thought, but they aren’t shills. Most are just lonely people who hate everything and themselves.

              • @[email protected]
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                I think it’s fairly important to remember that Hexbear/Lemmygrad are basically why Lemmy exists, and largely emigrated after the Reddit Chapo ban, at least as far as I understand things.

                They weren’t entirely niche communities at first, and now they’re the most active communities on Lemmy, which may or may not grow into something bigger, but most importantly they’ve inherited the damage the used to have.

                I mean, have you ever listened to ChapoTrapHouse? They were pretty solidly democratic socialist. Something happened to that community to turn it into Hexbear. It could have been natural, but their messaging is just so consistent it seems unlikely.

                • @[email protected]
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                  They never looked dem soc to me as they advocated liberally for the venezuelan militia to murder venezuelans protesting the socialist dictatorship and parroted Venezuela’s government party line to anyone that cared to listen

      • vlad
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        412 years ago

        They need a Holiday in Cambodia