See also: Metric time.
10hrs in a day. 100min in a hour. 100 sec in a min.
Hmn…
You’d need to redefine the derived SI Units, or take new measurements for newly derived units. Newtons, joules, pascals, hertz, coulombs, watts, volts, ohms, farads, siemens, webers, teslas, henrys, becquerels, grays, sieverts, and katals.
Also not to mention motion and heat.
You could say there’s a large amount of pressure to not change, or that it’s a high “bar”…
I hope you smiled, because that is one joke I will not be making again.
You don’t need to redefine any of them if you don’t change the length of a second though, right? Because the SI unit for time is the second?
As long as you just change the definition for non-SI units, sure kilometers or miles per hour changes, but that’s not SI, so nobody cares.
There are (roughly) 86400 seconds in a day. This metric time describes a day with 100000 seconds. If you don’t redefine the second, then I guess we’ll just redefine the day, right?
100 seconds to a minute, 96 minutes to an hour, 9 hours in a day?? Metric with rounding.
Also 10 days in a week. And 3 weeks in a month. Still 12 months, and 5 free days at the end. I like free days.
But then we will change either seconds or days.
If you take rhe same 24 hour day, and convert it to 10 metric hours, or mours, and split that to 100 metric minutes, or cenutes, and then 100 meconds, one cenute is 1.44 minutes, and one mecond is 0.86 seconds. The practical difference would be almost imperceptible. A mour would be significantly longer than an hour, 2.4 times, but you’d have the metric system attour disposal to break it into decimals.
That’s not to say we should switch, but it wouldn’t be that different.
I always thought that the argument is that metric time sounds nice but it’s actually worse than traditional time because 24 and 60 have much more factors that are more convenient in every day use. You can split them in half, in quarters, in thirds, in sixths.
You can make that same argument for Imperial units like inches and feet and cups and ounces. That’s why imperial units are still popular, because decimals are great for science and conversions, but 100 doesn’t have many divisors.
Though I like the idea a lot, 60 has the great advantage that you can devide it by 2,3,4,5 and 6 which is a very useful property… The real power move would be to use the 60-system for everything… Like the Babylonians did, or so I heared
Nah, base 12 number system with the same logic as metric. But it’s probably too late to switch to a different number system.
Nah. Can’t devide by ape fingers
Base 12.
It’s useful. But when was the last time you used it? You usually don’t say a twelves or a third or a sixth of an hour, you say 5, 20 or 10 minutes. Half and quarter are available the same in decimal time.
It’s more a matter of habbit. You know what a second, a minute and an hour are because you had all your life to precisely learn it.
No no no. Let him talk. He’s making sense.
Not a calendarologist, but I’m pretty sure lunar calendars were tried and rejected for a reason. Other than the places that still use them for traditional reasons.
Of course, maybe they just didn’t have the concept of leap days?
It only comes out to 364 days so you’ll still need to handle that 1.25 extra days in a year otherwise it’ll drift. You could just add December 29th as a special day past Saturday, but then you lose sync with the moon, eg.if New moon was on Sunday the first in the previous year, New moon would be on December 29th instead of on Jan 1st the next year and all new moons would be on the 28th.
You can keep your calendar in sync with the moon or the sun but not both.
As someone who has proposed this system myself, I feel the need to point out that the meme is glossing over a couple key points:
First and foremost, 13*28 is 364 days, so to avoid slippage you’d need an extra day appended to every year, either as part of a month, which breaks symmetry, or on it’s own. You’d also still need leap years.
And in order for the days of the week to be immutably aligned with dates, these extra days would also have to not be part of any week. Which is a big problem if you want to get anyone who practices an Abrahamic faith on board with the plan.
What exactly would be so troublesome with having a “special day” outside of the usual week/month cycle? You can still go worship on whatever day of the week applicable to your faith. Just make the last day of the year its own thing. We can call it “New Years Eve” and party together.
It makes the calendar less than compatible with the commandment to keep the Sabbath by not working on every seventh day.
Which is not insurmountable in practice (e.g. by keeping a separate ecumenical calendar) but you can bet it would be a significant source of opposition.
But you’d be resting on the extra day, too (if you want, I for one will be partying). So you’d never go more than seven days without rest.
If that still doesn’t fly, I suggest we combine the extra day and the previous day into a mega-day that is 48 hrs long. Then everyone except programmers will be happy (we’re never happy with datetime conventions anyway, so what’s one more if-else statement between friends).
Two words: Seasonal regression
That’s when you add one or two days outside of any month - that was a legit proposal.
So like leap days which we already have tacked on to the shortest month.
Yes and no. The days would be outside of the normal week (so they would be in a kind of an 8 day week), and they would be holidays to not mess up work schedules in relation to the fixed calendar.
Many facilities are 24/7 operations that can’t just close for a holiday (ex: hospitals, first responders). It definitely would mess up people’s work schedules.
Can we all just agree not to have an emergency those days?
13 x 28 = 364
Make New Years Day it’s own thing, not counted in a month (or just make the new 13th month 29 days long), and continue tacking on leap days to the end of February using the currently established rules.
The length of the year doesn’t change and no seasonal regression. It has so many fewer exceptions than our current system that you’d wonder how we ever ended up with a 12 month calendar.
Nah, just have a double leap day every 4 years.
you’d wonder how we ever ended up with a 12 month calendar
Roman Empire politics…
Yeah, and what have the Romans ever done for us?
Decided the number of months?
So? I don’t care if it’s hot in December or not and presumably we can figure out a more sciency way to time crop planting. Not like the almanac is worth fuckall in a changing climate anyhow.
I don’t wanna pay bills for another month
But think of the possibilities. If you were born on the 31st, you’d stop aging.
Landlords salivating at the prospect of an entirely new way to increase rent almost 10% for every tenant
As long as I get an extra payday without a decrease in payment, I’m good. I doubt that would be the case though.
Number of hours worked remains the same. TPTB would never allow this to improve the lives of ordinary folk. I say we cut a month out of the year. Who likes August, anyway?
If anything an extra month just means more time for holiday pay, more time for accountants, and more time to waste in general
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Watch out for places (like gyms) that bill biweekly instead of monthly. You may think it lines up with months, but over the course of a year you pay an additional 8.6% more.
But, if you get paid biweekly and all of your bills are monthly, you basically get an extra paycheck each year.
Two extra I believe. And every few years three. BTW advertisers know this and try to sell big ticket items like TVs when that happens.
Every birthday you have, for your entire life, being on a Wednesday.
Sounds great.
Mine would be on saturdays, but I haven’t celebrated in years, so…
Happy belated all the birthdays, have a cumulative party at some point!
I got a Friday, not the best but I can work with in
Huh am I missing something?
13 x 28 = 364 but a year has 365,2425 days
There would be a leap day every year, and two every four years.
Aka New Years Day!
The new year day is a transition day and is not in the calendar, but rather in between years
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Hm i don’t really see a good point for this. It’s not too hard to use a calendar compared to the effort it would take the world to switch.
Nah, if a few aliens put some nukes or worse weapons to our heads from above, maybe shoot a couple here and there, we would definitely switch within 2 weeks at most.
Or, you know, we could just phase out the politics, give some ample time for economies and a few other select business that have work on very very puctual timing, like a few years tops, the 99% of the world would switch pretty seamlessly over a week at most. The remaining 1% could just as easily keep the old year length to continue their internal businesses. Changing most things, especially if from an incorrect or arbitrary thing to a systemic one, is rather easy but hard to accept.
Now rip to people who have birthdays on weekdays because that will never change. People who have birthdays on weekends would hugely luck out.
Do you understand how many computer programs will crash when you try to introduce a “month” consisting of a single day for this New Year holiday, or alternatively a day which does not have a corresponding month?
Is your Netflix subscription going to renew in December, and then next in January, or is there a troll of a month sitting in between where you’re charged for a day?
How many schedulers have rules like the second Tuesday of the month, or the last Friday of the month, and those days don’t even exist!
Is this special holiday even assigned a weekday? If it is, do we repeat the same weekday twice to keep the 28 day months on the same weekday schedule?
Madness! /S
13 Fridays the 13th
Jason would unionize if he had that many hours of work to do
If the first was Monday as he describes, every 12th would be a Friday. There would be exactly zero Fridays on the 13th of any month.
Every 13th would only be Friday if the first was on Sunday.
Oh shit you’re right.
Then I think Jason should look into universal basic income cuz he’s about to be out of his job.
The first should be a Sunday. Then we can align with Stardew Valley time.
Stardew Valley starts on a Monday as well, no?
Love good sauce!
10 months. Odd months have 37 days, even months have 36.
Jesse, what the hell are you talking about??
Before we get too crazy, let’s consider for a second the importance of 12 in units of measure. It shows up in time: minute, second, length (imperial ft), and I’m sure many other places.
The benefit is it’s evenly divisible by 2, 3, and 4. How would we define seasons with 13 months?
I don’t see the problem, really. Base twelve is neat and all, but we’re not directly going to do a lot of math with the number of months in a year, are we? And who says all seasons have to be equally long, or be defined in terms of whole months in the first place? Most people I know don’t define seasons directly on the months, since they vary from year to year.
Personally I think you’re looking at the wrong direction, it’s hard to keep mental track of because the calendar doesn’t reflect the time of seasonal change in most places where that matters. Doesn’t have to be the exact equinox but roughly saying “the first day of the year marks spring” and “October 1st means the start of fall” would probably help folks remember seasons more easily.
Sure, but in that case more divisions will only help.
Base twelve only because Babylonians.
I mean, it was a pretty good idea. The only reason we happen to be so 10 centric is because that’s how we happened to evolve our manipulators.
Not even, dozenalists have pointed out that you can do base 12 on your fingers by counting your joints, 3 in each finger with your thumb as the pointer, you can even do it on both hands and get all the way to “100”
I’ve never been a fan of this idea, it doesn’t go far enough and further makes things less symmetric/divisible. I say we use 6-day weeks, 5 weeks per month, 12 months per year, and an inter-calary holiday week of 5-6 days. A six day week means 4 days working, 2 days rest, and that can be staggered more easily/equitably assuming work needs full coverage in a week. We start the new year on the Spring Equinox because it’s generally more pleasant.
For bonus points, we switch to base-12 (or dozenal) in our numbering system because after the transition it’s a much easier system to deal with as far as division and multiplication is concerned (e.g. 1/4 would be .3 instead of .25, 1/3 is .4 instead of .333…, 1/2 is .6, etc.).
And we dont have to worry about the lousy Smarch weather.
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Let’s make each month 73 days.
5 months. We can figure out a season for each one!
And pay less than half as much rent!
Landlords thought process: Since 2 months was typically 60-61 days and that range is higher, we’ll have to charge 3 payments for each monthly payment!
What would we call the 13th month?
* sorry guys, this had apparently been decided already
Funuary.
Who cares? Right now the 10th month is named after the number 8.
And September isn’t even the 7th month anymore, time to modernize
Undecember, obviously ;)
I vote for cramming a “hextember” between August and September. Then all the numbered months can be off by even more!
I hope you get stabbed for this like the previous two fellas ;)
Ok, who wished on the monkey paw?
Smart, and then we can be extra witchy!
Smarch, naturally.
I just dread the weather.
Brian
Right between April and May with the other months that are also names
Eleventer but in latin of course
Gormanuary
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Starting the week on a Monday is psych warfare on the working class and pretty fucked up to begin with. Starting it on Sunday was the Church’s idea… Start every week for the future of humanity on a Saturday and get your dessert first.
Weeks don’t really have first and end days. It’s just how you arrange a calendar. Case in point, I view weeks as beginning on Monday but prefer the layout with Sunday on the left.
Downvote all you want. The global default “work” week starts on Monday, and 99.99% of every modern calendar shows Sunday in the leftmost column of every single month. Read a damn book, kids.
Um, I didn’t downvote you, my dude
I think humanity is stuck with the Babylonian 12 based system for the coming centuries. As a programmer, I kindly ask you not to mess with time and date definitions, ever, unless you decide to turn the year into 360 days and remove DST while you’re at it. Keeping up with leap seconds is bad enough already, we don’t need more confusion.
Historically speaking, a thirteenth month isn’t that weird, it even existed, though for a different reason. The Romans used a calendar with ten months of 30 or 31 days, which ended up with only 355 days in total. As necessary, a thirteenth month was inserted to catch up the leap days that had been skipped. The last month, December (decem meaning 10), wasn’t the last month as we use it, as the year started in March when spring came around.
There are actually lunar calendars still in use today, most importantly the religious Islamic calendar. Several special Christian dates (easter, passover, and such) differ each year because they are defined based on the moon, basing dates on rules like “moons since 21 March” to fix calendar issues at the time.
Aren’t the definitions just a client side issue these days? When times are compared it’s unix or unix msec.
Computer time itself depends on whether or not you use astronomical time or not (leap seconds and such), but users enter time, and you need to extrapolate what the user wants. That means interpreting and displaying local time. Unix time also sucks for planned events like “every Tuesday at 2” because there’s no stable offset for that (if you assume there is, DST may happen, and it’s Tuesday at 1/3 all of the sudden! Or worse, if it’s Tuesday at 2AM, the event may happen twice on the same day! Or it’ll be skipped!).
Times are already terrible. Timezones are the worst part. Repeated seconds in local time are probably the second worst. Countries switching between sides of the date line are pretty annoying too. 2k38 is going to be hell so I plan on taking a few years off when that comes around.
Our libraries can now deal with time, as long as countries inform the programmers more than a few weeks before skipping the DST switchover this year (this has happened of course). The system is already convoluted enough, though, so let’s just stop messing with it, we can only make it worse.
2038 is only a problem for systems with 32 bit Unix time timekeeping. Right now that’s only a few embedded systems, in fifteen years there will be even fewer
This isn’t even remotely as bad as Y2K where many systems used two digits to store years and rolled over unpredictably when tested. We considered one system in my workplace “good enough” as it rolled over to 100 so the calculations still worked. Others crashed, for example clobbering something in RAM when adding 99 + 1 and storing the results in two bytes
Not everything can be done client side. Sending notifications or emails: server side. Basically anything that’s automated.
December was the last month. January and February were added later.
Calendar of King Romulus:
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I’ve heard that Augustus wanted “his own month just like Julius” and that’s how they took 2 days from february for july and august. That way we ended having less months with 30 days. Never did look it up if it’s true.
I believe it was something like that, that’s why these months are in the middle of the year and have a number of days that doesn’t match (and why February has 28¼).
12 months of 28-31 is a better fit than the Roman calendar, though, especially because Romans tended to skip a leap month every now and then.
I can tell you’re a programmer, you autocorrected to sprint instead of spring lol
My phone decided that Roman sprints took all year. Can’t imagine how long those sprint meetings must’ve taken!
Must not be a Java dev!
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I don’t like the idea of my birthday being on the same day of the week every year. Based on the IFC Calendar, mine would be on a Tuesday every year and that would suck.
So track your birthday on the old calendar. Religious folks will be using old calendars to track important days
Which day of the week your birthday would fall on in the new calendar would depend on which year the new calendar came in.
My birthday is the 31st day of its month, it’s erased by all the 4 week month calendars
So I was curious about this and realized that your birthday will need to be converted for the year you were born to align with the date on the International Foxed Calendar. You just need to convert it once and use the new date from then on.
For example, say you were born on 31 Jan Gregorian. That would mean that your new birthday will be on 3 Feb in the new calendar. This would work for most dates except those between the periods of 28 Feb and 18 Jun (not inclusive) on the Gregorian calendar. Your birthday would depend on whether you were born in a leap year or not. For instance 1 May Gregorian would be 9 May IFC if you were born in a common year or 10 May IFC for a leap year. From then on you would celebrate that as you birthday. This could lead to a lot of people not sharing a birthday anymore if they were born in different years and one was a leap year. Also, if you were born on 29 Feb Gregorian, you’d now always have your birthday on 1 Mar, but if you were born on 17 Jun in a leap year, your birthday is Leap Day and outside of the calendar. All the best getting a venue for your party since it’s a public holiday.
Interestingly, anyone born in the period 18 Jun to 15 Jul Gregorian would now celebrate their birthday in the new month of Sol. Congratulations!
The rest of the year would be pretty standard. For example, anyone born on 1 Aug would now celebrate their birthday on 17 July irrespective of whether they were born in a leap year or not.
30 Dec Gregorian would now be 28 Dec IFC and 31 Dec is Year Day! Hope you found that venue for Leap Day, coz your friend now needs it for their birthday.
It sounds complicated at first, but once we started recording people’s birthdays on the new calendar as they were born, it would effectively be the same.
But what if we decimalised time?
No. Base 12 and base 60 are significantly better for things that are commonly divided into halves, thirds, fourths and so on.
A “day” is 86400 seconds. Changing the length of a second is a non starter, so you’d end up saying a day doesn’t line up with a day night cycle, or something weird like “a day is 8.64 hours long”, which doesn’t feel better than 24.
There’s absolutely no reason why days couldn’t be divided in 10 hours of 1000 seconds, we’d just need to change the definition of a second. The 24 * 60 system is based on a numbering system of a civilisation that’s long gone and it’s as arbitrary as metric or imperial measurements.
The problem is that we have a lot of definitions for “events per second” so redefining all those would be very annoying and costly. Then again, most countries switched to metric and did all those things, so it definitely can be done.
We could change the definition of a second, but we’d be changing the si unit of time to mesh up with things that don’t currently have si equivalents. We’d have to redo a significant number of units.
The meter is defined in terms of the second, which is then used to define the kilogram.
It’s a base unit that all the others are built on. This wouldn’t be a tweak, it would be rebuilding the metric system. So that there would be ten hours in a day, which we would keep having to tweak because the earths rotation isn’t constant, which is why “day” isn’t an si unit in the first place.Yeah, the civilization that decided they like base 60 is long gone, but the reason they liked it is still relevant, which is why we keep using it. Highly composite numbers are really convenient, and ten is a pretty shitty number beyond being the base we often count in.
Didn’t the French try that after the revolution?
Yeah. Specifically so they could disconnect from the sabbath
Yep, base 10, base 10 everywhere.
Chad ancestors splited 1 year of 10 months of 3 décades of 10 days of 10 hours of 100 minutes of 100 seconds and so on. With 5 or 6 “sans-culotides” to handle leap years.
Also each unit of a decade is related to a fixed name: for example, “primedi” (first day of decade) is the 1st, 11th and 21th days of any month, “duodi” 2nd, 12th and 22th, “tridi” 3rd, 13th, 23th and so on until décadi fot 10th,20th and 30th and last day of the décade.
Jesse would approve that
