Let’s make each month 73 days.
5 months. We can figure out a season for each one!
And pay less than half as much rent!
Landlords thought process: Since 2 months was typically 60-61 days and that range is higher, we’ll have to charge 3 payments for each monthly payment!
Except that a lunar cycle is 29.5 days long.
The Jews recognized this and their calendar runs akin to it (https://www.timeanddate.com/date/jewish-leap-year.html), but with 7 “leap months” occurring over the course of 19 years. Of course, then they fuck it up with extra or fewer days to keep certain holidays from falling on certain days of the week. You win some, you lose some.
Guess the Jews win the Design the Most Convoluted Calendar contest.
I’ve never been a fan of this idea, it doesn’t go far enough and further makes things less symmetric/divisible. I say we use 6-day weeks, 5 weeks per month, 12 months per year, and an inter-calary holiday week of 5-6 days. A six day week means 4 days working, 2 days rest, and that can be staggered more easily/equitably assuming work needs full coverage in a week. We start the new year on the Spring Equinox because it’s generally more pleasant.
For bonus points, we switch to base-12 (or dozenal) in our numbering system because after the transition it’s a much easier system to deal with as far as division and multiplication is concerned (e.g. 1/4 would be .3 instead of .25, 1/3 is .4 instead of .333…, 1/2 is .6, etc.).
I don’t wanna pay bills for another month
Landlords salivating at the prospect of an entirely new way to increase rent almost 10% for every tenant
If anything an extra month just means more time for holiday pay, more time for accountants, and more time to waste in general
As long as I get an extra payday without a decrease in payment, I’m good. I doubt that would be the case though.
Number of hours worked remains the same. TPTB would never allow this to improve the lives of ordinary folk. I say we cut a month out of the year. Who likes August, anyway?
But think of the possibilities. If you were born on the 31st, you’d stop aging.
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Watch out for places (like gyms) that bill biweekly instead of monthly. You may think it lines up with months, but over the course of a year you pay an additional 8.6% more.
But, if you get paid biweekly and all of your bills are monthly, you basically get an extra paycheck each year.
Two extra I believe. And every few years three. BTW advertisers know this and try to sell big ticket items like TVs when that happens.
Yay for The Human Calculator Calendar. Boo for not crediting sources. A missed opportunity to replace Jesse’s name with, “Scott.”
Double boo for not explaining the extra day every year, not to mention leap year. (364 / 28 = 13.)
Final boo for conflating the real world ~29.5 day imprecise lunar month with the 28 day English common law lunar month.
“The simple idea of a 13-month perennial calendar has been around since at least the middle of the 18th century. Versions of the idea differ mainly on how the months are named, and the treatment of the extra day in leap year.”
I propose we call the 13th month “Nut November”.
treatment of the extra day in leap year
Duh, that’s the purge day.
“not crediting sources”
Anyone that’s able to do math and that takes 30 seconds to look at our calendars can come up with the same reflection, nothing special with the “human calculator”.
I think humanity is stuck with the Babylonian 12 based system for the coming centuries. As a programmer, I kindly ask you not to mess with time and date definitions, ever, unless you decide to turn the year into 360 days and remove DST while you’re at it. Keeping up with leap seconds is bad enough already, we don’t need more confusion.
Historically speaking, a thirteenth month isn’t that weird, it even existed, though for a different reason. The Romans used a calendar with ten months of 30 or 31 days, which ended up with only 355 days in total. As necessary, a thirteenth month was inserted to catch up the leap days that had been skipped. The last month, December (decem meaning 10), wasn’t the last month as we use it, as the year started in March when spring came around.
There are actually lunar calendars still in use today, most importantly the religious Islamic calendar. Several special Christian dates (easter, passover, and such) differ each year because they are defined based on the moon, basing dates on rules like “moons since 21 March” to fix calendar issues at the time.
Aren’t the definitions just a client side issue these days? When times are compared it’s unix or unix msec.
Not everything can be done client side. Sending notifications or emails: server side. Basically anything that’s automated.
Computer time itself depends on whether or not you use astronomical time or not (leap seconds and such), but users enter time, and you need to extrapolate what the user wants. That means interpreting and displaying local time. Unix time also sucks for planned events like “every Tuesday at 2” because there’s no stable offset for that (if you assume there is, DST may happen, and it’s Tuesday at 1/3 all of the sudden! Or worse, if it’s Tuesday at 2AM, the event may happen twice on the same day! Or it’ll be skipped!).
Times are already terrible. Timezones are the worst part. Repeated seconds in local time are probably the second worst. Countries switching between sides of the date line are pretty annoying too. 2k38 is going to be hell so I plan on taking a few years off when that comes around.
Our libraries can now deal with time, as long as countries inform the programmers more than a few weeks before skipping the DST switchover this year (this has happened of course). The system is already convoluted enough, though, so let’s just stop messing with it, we can only make it worse.
2038 is only a problem for systems with 32 bit Unix time timekeeping. Right now that’s only a few embedded systems, in fifteen years there will be even fewer
This isn’t even remotely as bad as Y2K where many systems used two digits to store years and rolled over unpredictably when tested. We considered one system in my workplace “good enough” as it rolled over to 100 so the calculations still worked. Others crashed, for example clobbering something in RAM when adding 99 + 1 and storing the results in two bytes
I can tell you’re a programmer, you autocorrected to sprint instead of spring lol
My phone decided that Roman sprints took all year. Can’t imagine how long those sprint meetings must’ve taken!
Must not be a Java dev!
I don’t like the idea of my birthday being on the same day of the week every year. Based on the IFC Calendar, mine would be on a Tuesday every year and that would suck.
So track your birthday on the old calendar. Religious folks will be using old calendars to track important days
Which day of the week your birthday would fall on in the new calendar would depend on which year the new calendar came in.
My birthday is the 31st day of its month, it’s erased by all the 4 week month calendars
So I was curious about this and realized that your birthday will need to be converted for the year you were born to align with the date on the International Foxed Calendar. You just need to convert it once and use the new date from then on.
For example, say you were born on 31 Jan Gregorian. That would mean that your new birthday will be on 3 Feb in the new calendar. This would work for most dates except those between the periods of 28 Feb and 18 Jun (not inclusive) on the Gregorian calendar. Your birthday would depend on whether you were born in a leap year or not. For instance 1 May Gregorian would be 9 May IFC if you were born in a common year or 10 May IFC for a leap year. From then on you would celebrate that as you birthday. This could lead to a lot of people not sharing a birthday anymore if they were born in different years and one was a leap year. Also, if you were born on 29 Feb Gregorian, you’d now always have your birthday on 1 Mar, but if you were born on 17 Jun in a leap year, your birthday is Leap Day and outside of the calendar. All the best getting a venue for your party since it’s a public holiday.
Interestingly, anyone born in the period 18 Jun to 15 Jul Gregorian would now celebrate their birthday in the new month of Sol. Congratulations!
The rest of the year would be pretty standard. For example, anyone born on 1 Aug would now celebrate their birthday on 17 July irrespective of whether they were born in a leap year or not.
30 Dec Gregorian would now be 28 Dec IFC and 31 Dec is Year Day! Hope you found that venue for Leap Day, coz your friend now needs it for their birthday.
It sounds complicated at first, but once we started recording people’s birthdays on the new calendar as they were born, it would effectively be the same.
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But what if we decimalised time?
No. Base 12 and base 60 are significantly better for things that are commonly divided into halves, thirds, fourths and so on.
A “day” is 86400 seconds. Changing the length of a second is a non starter, so you’d end up saying a day doesn’t line up with a day night cycle, or something weird like “a day is 8.64 hours long”, which doesn’t feel better than 24.
There’s absolutely no reason why days couldn’t be divided in 10 hours of 1000 seconds, we’d just need to change the definition of a second. The 24 * 60 system is based on a numbering system of a civilisation that’s long gone and it’s as arbitrary as metric or imperial measurements.
The problem is that we have a lot of definitions for “events per second” so redefining all those would be very annoying and costly. Then again, most countries switched to metric and did all those things, so it definitely can be done.
We could change the definition of a second, but we’d be changing the si unit of time to mesh up with things that don’t currently have si equivalents. We’d have to redo a significant number of units.
The meter is defined in terms of the second, which is then used to define the kilogram.
It’s a base unit that all the others are built on. This wouldn’t be a tweak, it would be rebuilding the metric system. So that there would be ten hours in a day, which we would keep having to tweak because the earths rotation isn’t constant, which is why “day” isn’t an si unit in the first place.Yeah, the civilization that decided they like base 60 is long gone, but the reason they liked it is still relevant, which is why we keep using it. Highly composite numbers are really convenient, and ten is a pretty shitty number beyond being the base we often count in.
Didn’t the French try that after the revolution?
Yep, base 10, base 10 everywhere.
Chad ancestors splited 1 year of 10 months of 3 décades of 10 days of 10 hours of 100 minutes of 100 seconds and so on. With 5 or 6 “sans-culotides” to handle leap years.
Also each unit of a decade is related to a fixed name: for example, “primedi” (first day of decade) is the 1st, 11th and 21th days of any month, “duodi” 2nd, 12th and 22th, “tridi” 3rd, 13th, 23th and so on until décadi fot 10th,20th and 30th and last day of the décade.
Jesse would approve that
Yeah. Specifically so they could disconnect from the sabbath
I’ve heard that Augustus wanted “his own month just like Julius” and that’s how they took 2 days from february for july and august. That way we ended having less months with 30 days. Never did look it up if it’s true.
I believe it was something like that, that’s why these months are in the middle of the year and have a number of days that doesn’t match (and why February has 28¼).
12 months of 28-31 is a better fit than the Roman calendar, though, especially because Romans tended to skip a leap month every now and then.
December was the last month. January and February were added later.
Calendar of King Romulus:
Martius - 31 Days Aprilis - 30 Days Maius - 31 Days Iunius - 30 Days Quintilis - 31 Days Sextilis - 30 Days September - 30 Days October - 31 Days November - 30 Days December - 30 DaysAll credit and mistakes may be attributed to history.stackexchange.
Jesse, what the hell are you talking about??
Before we get too crazy, let’s consider for a second the importance of 12 in units of measure. It shows up in time: minute, second, length (imperial ft), and I’m sure many other places.
The benefit is it’s evenly divisible by 2, 3, and 4. How would we define seasons with 13 months?
Base twelve only because Babylonians.
I mean, it was a pretty good idea. The only reason we happen to be so 10 centric is because that’s how we happened to evolve our manipulators.
Not even, dozenalists have pointed out that you can do base 12 on your fingers by counting your joints, 3 in each finger with your thumb as the pointer, you can even do it on both hands and get all the way to “100”
I don’t see the problem, really. Base twelve is neat and all, but we’re not directly going to do a lot of math with the number of months in a year, are we? And who says all seasons have to be equally long, or be defined in terms of whole months in the first place? Most people I know don’t define seasons directly on the months, since they vary from year to year.
Personally I think you’re looking at the wrong direction, it’s hard to keep mental track of because the calendar doesn’t reflect the time of seasonal change in most places where that matters. Doesn’t have to be the exact equinox but roughly saying “the first day of the year marks spring” and “October 1st means the start of fall” would probably help folks remember seasons more easily.
Sure, but in that case more divisions will only help.
What would we call the 13th month?
* sorry guys, this had apparently been decided already
Undecember, obviously ;)
I vote for cramming a “hextember” between August and September. Then all the numbered months can be off by even more!
Ok, who wished on the monkey paw?
I hope you get stabbed for this like the previous two fellas ;)
Smart, and then we can be extra witchy!
Funuary.
Brian
Right between April and May with the other months that are also names
Who cares? Right now the 10th month is named after the number 8.
And September isn’t even the 7th month anymore, time to modernize
Gormanuary
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Smarch, naturally.
I just dread the weather.
Eleventer but in latin of course
Huh am I missing something?
13 x 28 = 364 but a year has 365,2425 days
There would be a leap day every year, and two every four years.
Aka New Years Day!
The new year day is a transition day and is not in the calendar, but rather in between years
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Hm i don’t really see a good point for this. It’s not too hard to use a calendar compared to the effort it would take the world to switch.
Nah, if a few aliens put some nukes or worse weapons to our heads from above, maybe shoot a couple here and there, we would definitely switch within 2 weeks at most.
Or, you know, we could just phase out the politics, give some ample time for economies and a few other select business that have work on very very puctual timing, like a few years tops, the 99% of the world would switch pretty seamlessly over a week at most. The remaining 1% could just as easily keep the old year length to continue their internal businesses. Changing most things, especially if from an incorrect or arbitrary thing to a systemic one, is rather easy but hard to accept.
Now rip to people who have birthdays on weekdays because that will never change. People who have birthdays on weekends would hugely luck out.
Do you understand how many computer programs will crash when you try to introduce a “month” consisting of a single day for this New Year holiday, or alternatively a day which does not have a corresponding month?
Is your Netflix subscription going to renew in December, and then next in January, or is there a troll of a month sitting in between where you’re charged for a day?
How many schedulers have rules like the second Tuesday of the month, or the last Friday of the month, and those days don’t even exist!
Is this special holiday even assigned a weekday? If it is, do we repeat the same weekday twice to keep the 28 day months on the same weekday schedule?
Madness! /S
Fuck it. No-one is this thread can seem to agree, so I’m making a unilateral declaration that from here on out, all units of time except for the second are abolished, and we just use unix time for everything. You have until 1699217619s to make the switch.
We’ll call it “Longpork’s Law”
you can omit the unit now
Let this mofo cook.
I’ve definitely thought about this.
lo hicieron asi para que no les hagan la rima, solo es eso
What would we call the 13th month?
After the revolution, the French came up with some poetic and meaningful (if you live north of the Tropic of Cancer) names for months. We could use those.
Hendecember. We could also move Easter and Xmas to both be in that month.
Jessember
Elevenber
Twelvemper
Krankenwagen
Triskaidekatember
Monthy McMonthface
Febtober.
Since the 12th month is December, a 13th month should obviously be called Undecember (the undec- prefix meaning 11 in Latin).
Better yet, just stick the new month in the middle of the calendar, but don’t rename the months that have numbers in their name. It already worked once (thanks, Romans).
Why not just use Tredecember since it the thirteenth month the twelfth month can become Duodecember and not december.
What about another month after May called Maytoo?
Why not Eightuary, let’s keep the trend of bad naming going!
