A second teacher at a high school in Missouri was put on leave after administrators discovered her OnlyFans side hustle.
Megan Gaither, 31, said during an interview with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that she was placed on leave from her English teaching and varsity cheerleading coach position on Oct. 27 after district officials found out about her account on the OnlyFans platform.
Imagine if we just paid teachers better so that they didn’t sometimes resort to this to make ends meet. Nah, let’s persecute the poor teacher instead!
It is sad to me that the focus isn’t on trying to pay her a living wage so she doesn’t have to have a side hustle. And by the way, all the “free market, lift yourself up by your bootstraps and just get another job” judgmental assholes can just fuck off because that’s exactly what she is doing.
Exactly this. My wife was a teacher, but hasn’t been in a classroom in over 15 years. When she was pregnant with our second son, we did some budgeting. Take her salary and subtract after school care for our oldest son and daycare for our youngest son and we had $3,000 left over. Not $3,000 a month - $3,000 a year.
And that was before clothing appropriate for school, supplies for school, gas to get to school, and the mydrid of other expenses that come with being a teacher. If she remained a teacher, we wouldn’t be earning money. We would be paying for her to remain tracking
So she stopped teaching and became a stay at home mother.
(By the way, we used her salary because hers was the smaller one. Had mine been the smaller salary, I would have quit and become a stay at home dad.)
We once calculated how much she earned per hour. Given that she was getting in before school to set up, working late after school to help kids out or grade papers, and working holidays to get lesson plans in place, she was making less than minimum wage. She would literally have made more per hour at McDonald’s.
Teachers are very important and deserve more than “maybe, if you’re lucky, you’ll end up with minimum wage.”
Same situation, same calculus.
All up we were $100/month “better” off with my wife working.
We agreed that “paying” $25/week was worth it to have mum at home raising our litter.
It was very nice to come home to a relaxed home rather than a stressed gang of animals.
Teacher pay, aide pay, and student loan debt should be the conversation were having here in my opinion. Not the morality of only fans and especially not useless crap like her username.
I think we need to change the focus, in order to get the misogynists on board. Explain to them that by not paying the teachers in the local District a living wage, they will force all the hot teachers onto OnlyFans to make their living. And their sons will only have frumpy teachers when they get to high school. That ought to scare them.
She’s definitely getting paid a living wage.
Do you think she would die without her side hustle? Or is she trying to live as luxurious a life as possible?
I know what I’d put my money on.
Do you think she’d have a life any of us in the same country would voluntarily take on? Do you actually know how hard being a teacher is?
I know what I’d put my money on, for both questions.
My wife was a teacher. I’ve seen what teachers get paid and what they need to pay for (supplies for their room that are essential but that the districts refuse to pay for). It’s actually very likely that this teacher was barely scraping by on her teacher salary.
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According to the report, Gaither’s pay, which includes a stipend for coaching the school’s cheerleading squad, was around $47,500.
The article also mentions that she had $125,000 in student loans. She wasn’t living a life of luxury on that salary. Opening an OnlyFans was a means of making ends meet.
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It depends on where you live. This teacher wasn’t in NYC, but a salary of $47,500 might not get you much there. Your rent alone could take all of your post-tax salary.
And don’t forget that teachers also often have to pay for classroom supplies (including things like tissues which should just be given to them by the district). So their expenses can be higher than other people’s. They are also expected to continue learning - often on their dime.
But setting all that aside, $47,500 would be about $36,000 after taxes which is $3,000 a month. A $125,000 student loan at 6% interest to be paid off in 7 years would cost $1,826 a month. That leaves her $1,174 to live off of.
gives cost of living numbers for Missouri. Even the low figures are over $2,000. So she’d have a $800+ shortfall.
There are a lot of people who go into the teaching profession and quickly leave it once they realize that they can’t survive on a teacher’s income. Teachers deserve more.
Subsistence wage is what you are thinking of, to meet basic biological necessities. A living wage allows for moderate comfort, because there is more to living than just surviving.
You’re thinking of a ‘respectable wage.’
Living wage means just that. A wage that enables you to live.
there is more to living than just surviving.
I guess if you don’t understand the meaning of the word ‘living’, then sure. It can mean whatever you want, lol.
You’re thinking of a ‘respectable wage.’
You’re saying teachers don’t deserve a ‘respectable wage’?
I’m saying she had a livable wage already.
Everyone deserves a respectable wage, but we should not conflate wants with needs.
Everyone deserves a respectable wage,
So we are all agreeing she should be getting paid more as a teacher, but you’re arguing semantics instead of the issue at hand.
$50k/year is very respectable from a global perspective.
Since we’re making up terms how about we say that you earn cunt wages, because you’re a real big fuckin cunt.
Lol, I’m sorry you’re mad I’m calling out greed for what it is.
Probably because you contribute to it but don’t want to acknowledge it.
Maybe they should pay the teachers then.
100%
And reduce student loan debt
I keep wondering when the war on teachers is going to spread to my district. Given how many Republican “parent choice” signs I see up I don’t think I have long. Really would have liked my kids to go to a functional school.
I don’t care if my kids teacher does porn.
NO! Teachers are supposed to be poors and any attempt to not be poors must be exterminated with extreme prejudice, otherwise children will get a proper education and grow up to be harder to exploit and control… Get it?
Speculation about Gaither’s involvement on the platform began in mid-October when she was seen in a video posted on Coppage’s account. While the video didn’t include Gaither’s face, it was recorded at a party, and she was seen in a public picture wearing the same costume that was worn in the video posted on OnlyFans, according to the report.
So are we not going to call into question the “professionalism” of whoever found this video? Or did someone just accidentally make their way to onlyfans and pay to access her content. 🙄
Don’t imagine they knew who it was before paying for it, seeing as the only way to see who it was is to pay for it first. To be fair I’d be surprised and uncomfortable if I knew my kid had a teacher who they could find videos of her spread eagle naked whenever they wanted. If the sexes were reversed and it was a male porn star who was teaching children there would be a national uproar. I don’t have anything against sex work but some jobs just don’t really mesh together too well, this is one such situation. The obvious solution is just to pay our fucking teachers more so they don’t have to get second jobs to live but people would rather just yell at her like she’s doing this for shits and giggles because that’s easier than addressing the root problem.
my kid had a teacher who they could find videos of her spread eagle naked whenever they wanted.
Yeah because children not only know about and routinely use only fans, they have money and credit cards
You’re just a pearl clutcher like the rest of them, don’t try to sound different. You are not different.
…Kids DO use the internet? And know how to swipe credit cards from their parents? Like this isn’t new, this has been thing since the late 90s lol
You say that like if one kid from school can do it then it’s an epidemic. The article states the pictures never showed her face. You are a pearl clutcher, nothing more
I’m a millenial lifelong socialist atheist with gay/trans parents but go off I guess. If you actually read my comment you’d notice that I have nothing against her and instead said she should be paid more so she wouldn’t have to go on only fans.
You can be all of those things and still hold certain reactionary beliefs.
lol as a semi-professional stage magician with astigmatism and a penchant for cross country travel by rail I agree with the other person.
Ridiculous that we “cant find” the money to pay the people educating the next generation more than this women is/will be making this year from posting photos and videos of herself online. Reveals a number of priorities that are out of line.
Yeah agree entirely. And we’ll pay it for as the years go on. I really don’t understand how investing in the future of our country is somehow a partisanship issue. I guess republicans just love inflicting misery more than their so called “patriotism”.
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No, unfortunately they were found to have tits, but no vagina.
How did they discover the page? I’m curious about this.
Gaither said in the interview that she made an account on the direct-to-subscribers website because she has over $125,000 in student loans and needed the extra income.
“Teaching does not financially support a person,” Gaither said. “It’s really hard to stretch those paychecks during the summer. That’s why I did it.”
According to the report, Gaither’s pay, which includes a stipend for coaching the school’s cheerleading squad, was around $47,500.
When Gaither took the account down, she claimed to have had around 1,500 subscribers and was bringing in an extra $3,000 to $5,000 per month.
47,5/12= ~3.96k per month
With an onlyfan page, she made more than the teaching job. The issue isn’t her onlyfan page. It’s the paycheck at the end of the month. They must pay more. Supervisors also have to stop going on onlyfan for other thing than work. I don’t believe they discovered it by chance.
Onlyfan is one of the symptoms of low income not a problem.
Jesus, I make like 3k less and never finished college. I do a shit job on phones. She gets peanuts for putting up with BS and doing 1.5 jobs for a school. Teachers don’t get enough.
The teachers that I know all get summer jobs which bumps their yearly income up several thousand dollars.
A lot of teachers need to use the summers for conferences and planning lessons for the upcoming year. (My wife was a teacher.)
If it’s a required thing they should obviously get paid for that time.
If it’s the same in the US as in where I lived, the employer will try to push working hours count to as low as possible. Like, you must do this and that to prepare for work but who knows how much time you spend for that so we pay nothing.
To be fair, this is not uncommon in other fields, where you must get better to stay useful for an employer but that effort is only “paid” in rases (sometimes) or not being fired.
She’s a high school teacher. I’m gonna guess the students figured it out first.
I’m in the “her life her business” camp, but I can at least see how that could be a problem given teachers like Mary Kay (I can’t spell her last name, the blonde that seduced the 6th grader) but I’m also in the camp of: “parents it’s your responsibility to police your kids” if the parents are concerned about their kids seeing nudity
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At 12, you are still developing and cannot give consent to an adult for something like that. The fact that he said it was fine as an adult is irrelevant and is why the term grooming exists. (By the way, he said during their separation that he realized it was never a healthy relationship.)
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The irony of this is being put on administrative leave and ending up on the news is likely to make her OF blow up. Probably a win/win for her.
Probably why she said she was fine with it
Imagine giving a shit if someone makes porn in their free time.
Probably not a popular take but I can at least understand it from the perspective of it just being easier to put her on paid leave than to play whackamole punishing every kid who starts bullying her or disrespecting her because stupid teenagers.
It’s the dumbfuck no tolerance logic that inadvertently encourages kids to respond to being bullied by pulling a knife since they gettin’ punished either way for being in a fight, but it does make the twisted kind of sense you can expect from admins who hate nothing more than doing their jobs instead of sitting at their desk playing minesweeper all day.
I had a home ec teacher that was found out to do playboy spreads. As a young teenager I did not care. My parents did not care(they were hippies). Who cared the most were dumbass older teenage boys for some reason writing her porn name on the chalkboard before she came in one day. It was like they were angry at her for turning them on. That’s when I realized men’s sex education and support for processing complex thought and feelings around relationships and sex is abysmal.
As a young teenager I did not care.
Were you a young teenage girl? Because you seem to completely lack understanding of teenage boys’ psychology. There’s absolutely no reason they would be angry at her for making them horny. That makes no sense at all.
I would agree with your other replier on this. Furthering that, I would say this is the teenage boys’ attempt to challenge authority by undermining her authority with her open sexuality as a tool. They found a leverage to have power over her. And they’re going to use it to the full extent. They’re at a point in time of their growth where they find their social hierarchy. Almost every male mammal engages in this. They pick fights and they learn where they stand by winning and losing. And they want to get as high as possible. This explains the anger that you pointed out, because challenging authority and fighting is inherently similar emotion to anger.
Because you seem to completely lack understanding of teenage boys’ psychology. There’s absolutely no reason they would be angry at her for making them horny. That makes no sense at all.
Ah. I see you are one of those types of bigots.
As you surely didn’t forget a whole array of other non binary genders some of which actually get beaten to death for ‘turning straight men on.’
Also some cultures will stone women for ‘turning men on enough to rape them’. That has nothing to do with ‘challenging authority’ in fact it’s gross you even compare it to that. It’s all about attacking vulnerable.
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. Please let the adults who are educated continue discussing these topics. Literally everything you just said was wrong.
Which part of what he said was wrong?
If you’re an adult, you should learn to address the argument, not make ad hominem attacks.
Dear kavanaugh,
Stop raping women and pretending like it’s just the beer talking.
We sincerely hate you,
Women.
You still lack the ability to address the content. You’re just spewing out things you’re familiar with. You’re not actually engaging in any discussion.
No one should rape anyone. I don’t see how this is relevant to this discussion.
It might not have been about making them horny. They just found something to bully the teacher about and used it. Teenagers are monsters.
Teenagers raised by monsters are monsters.
Nah, seen plenty monstrous teenagers with decent parents. But with monster parent its more likely monster teenagers.
But maybe your right, i cant see inside homes, maybe all monster teenagers have parental deficiencies.
Actually agree.
IMHO we are entirely the product of our environment and upbringing: initially a blank slate. Deficiency or poison in either produces problems.
Sometime those deficiencies and poisons are parents.
Nah, there are definitely correlation and causation in a lot of cases but there are definitely also kids who are just born evil, as if they’re infuriated at the world for their having been born.
They’re a rare breed but far too dangerous to write off when discussing things that affect the public.
I fundamentally disagree that someone can be born evil.
Someone can be born a psychopath, but they can still be raised to logically understand the norms of society and mimic them.
There are, however, a couple of generations born with lead poisoning from leaded petrol: that will stop a brain functioning properly.
If you don’t understand or respect your emotions it isnt like you suddenly don’t have them, you still do you just don’t know what to do with them.
Humans are social creatures. We are affected direct and indirectly by other people whether you like it or not (unless you want to become a hikikomori).
The fact that other people give a shit about about someone making porn in their free time, should make you give a shit. This is irrelevant to whether you think they should give a shit or not. Your lack of ability to give a shit signals your lack of foresight into how this affects your life as well as lack of social skills. If she wants to be an OF model, and therefore chooses to do OF content, that’s fine. If she wants to be a teacher and thinks she can do OF without consequence, she’s stupid.
L take and completely wrong. Fuck people for not only judging for something harmless, but also for directly impacting her life because of it when she didn’t impact anyone else’s.
What part am I wrong about? Her OF account has clearly affected her job as a teacher. The evidence of what I said is right there. You’re in denial of facts of what has already occurred. If she didn’t see this coming, she’s stupid.
I don’t care if you think people shouldn’t be judgmental. You’re being judgement of me right now. And I am of you right now. People always are, always have been and always will. That’s how humans work. Your denial or calling it out as bad is irrelevant in your ability to plan for the future.
Edit: Let me be clear. I am not defending the judgmental. I am pointing out the lack of social understanding.
She must have wanted to be raped or she wouldn’t have dressed like that.
No, that is not the same vain. The logic isn’t consistent.
It would be: If she doesn’t want to get raped, she should take precautions based on the risks involved.
If this teacher doesn’t want to be fired, she should understand that there are risks that follow her actions.
If I follow your logic, the statement of the teacher would become:
She must’ve wanted to get fired, so she did OF. No, the predicate the consequences are backwards.
Being stupid is not a defense. And your argument is illogical.
Victim blaming and I don’t think you know how logic works.
I did not victim blame. I wish logic and/or discrete mathematics is a requirement education in the world. Then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
In that same vain then, I shouldn’t dress “slutty” in public otherwise I’m just asking to get raped right? Get fucked.
Because you couldn’t point out what was wrong, you decided to take a strawman? No, that is not the same vain. The logic isn’t consistent.
It would be: If she doesn’t want to get raped, she should take precautions based on the risks involved.
If this teacher doesn’t want to be fired, she should understand that there are risks that follow her actions.
If I follow your logic, the statement of the teacher would become:
She must’ve wanted to get fired, so she did OF. No, the predicate the consequences are backwards.
Being stupid is not a defense. And your argument is illogical.
Being a social creature doesn’t mean you get veto power over how others live their lives. Your justification thus falls flat as does your victim blaming argument.
When you were little, did you parents teach you to look both ways before crossing the street? Even when you’re at a stop sign or at a green light? Probably, since you’re still alive. Why did they do that? You’d be in the right. If a car hit you, you’d be the victim, 100%. But you do that anyway because being right or being the victim is completely irrelevant. It’s not about who gets the blame. It’s about what gives you the best outcome. You looking both ways before crossing the street has the best outcome for you. It doesn’t matter if you’re right if you’re fucking dead.
If she wanted the best outcome of staying as a teacher, she shouldn’t have done OF. This should be a very easy deductive logic people should be able to make given what is the current society.
This is not victim blaming. I lean quite far left, and this is one of the most insanely annoying thing I find about the left. Far too many only look about who’s the victim and whose to blame. That shit is fucking stupidest outlook on life. It’s a good goal to attain, a world without problem causing things. But unless utopia happens, you need to learn to figure out how the world works. Failure to do that simply means you’re stupid. You might be a victim, but you’re still stupid.
Your analogy is false. This is victim blaming and a gross violation of privacy. On your off time you are free to do what you want your employer is not paying you for that time.
You sound like one of those no-fap types btw.
How is my analogy false? How did I victim blame? What did I blame her of? I said nothing of such. You’re going to have to substantiate your claim.
I masterbate and have no issues others materbating. In fact I already said it’s fine if she wants to do OF.
Not on me to justify your analogy. You must really hate woman who have sexuality
If she wants to be a teacher and thinks she can do OF without consequence, she’s stupid.
This comment reeks of trying to control women’s sexuality.
Meanwhile you probably think ‘good job’ when firefighters make a topless calendar and have no qualms if they show up to put out the fires.
You smell of double standard vomit.
I’m not trying to control her sexuality. I, in fact, said it’s fine if she wants to do OF. So you have read me wrong. I pointed out people’s inability to predict the future.
You have judged me for judging on things I didn’t say. You smell of hypocrisy.
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Somebody’s gotta do it! 😁
Good for her, if shes okay with it its cool with me. Teachers and healthcare workers get shafted so hard it isn’t even funny. Not like schools teach anything worth knowing anymore.
Without school you wouldn’t be able to write this comment.
Besides maybe the basic skills, I’d definitely say my parents generation definitely had better education. Then again, even with the basic skills, I question peoples’ abilities to read and write properly because of things such as the Internet (and soon I’ll probably end up blaming AI). I also include myself in that questionable category.
Maybe I’m just a spiteful bastard at heart, but if we could drop all the gullible types who say things like “I never learned anything useful in school” on their own planet I think they’d learn pretty quickly that while they didn’t learn shit the people making society work around them did.
Like, how do you not even have enough of your would-be street smarts to know that what you’re saying sounds like propaganda to defund schools even more?
Statements like “I never learned anything useful in school” completely misses the point of primary education. There is, objectively, quite a few subjects that are “unnecessary” to learn but even if kids don’t remember the factoids and formulas they learn how to learn. So when they move on to higher education they know how to take notes, how to study, and that it’s okay not to understand everything immediately.
My parents taught me to write. School taught me to write in cursive.
I also read a lot on my own until shitty schools books killed my interest. That probably wasn’t the sole cause, but it was a big part of it. I just couldn’t dedicate time to reading on my own when I had to really put in effort to get through the school stuff.
The books usually assigned in school are literary classics. Such as The Giver, Tuesday’s with Morrie, the grapes of wrath, the adventures of huckleberry finn, the odyssey, of mice and men, Moby dick, the importance of being Ernest, death of a salesman, and I could keep going. You are telling me those books are shitty? I don’t think the books are the problem.
No those books were good and I definitely had an interest in learning English reading those. But child brains can’t focus(well not mine atleast) and those books have very hard English and no images to make them interesting. It did teach me to look up hard words in the dictionary and now I’m pretty decent in speaking/writing in English. But the bad thing that I would point out is exams. You can’t be expected to writing words like that and 3 page answers to each question and that to determine whether you’ll pass or fail. Like all my answers used to be correct but since I wrote less in pages I would always get less credit on my answers. Also as someone who’s been diagnosed with ADHD the 3 hours during exams were hell. I kept zoning out and looking at everyone else instead of the exams. And the bullying ofc. Good and bad experiences alike. Still i fail to see why online courses woudn’t do the same thing. Children are naturally curious to learn for themselves and forcing things obviously doesn’t work.
Oh as a teenager reading those books I definitely didn’t enjoy them as much as I do now as an adult. As an adult I 100 percent enjoy reading more compared to my younger years but I still found some of those story’s very compelling.
ADHD can be a pain in the ass especially when you are being forced to perform in an environment that is basically your worst enemy. I don’t think standardized testing shows who’s smart and who isn’t. It shows who’s better at memorization and concentration maybe. I also hated word counts as well and that why I also liked scientific writing better because it’s to the point and cuts out all the fluff. I love reading the fluff now but not into writing it myself.
Well yeah, it was admittedly too complicated for me too. I just crammed all the words and regurgitated them in the exams. Doesn’t exactly counts as “learning”, parroting more like.
As an adult i still can’t focus and keep reading the same sentence over and over and none of that enters my brain lol. Now I use Google TTS to read the Light novels to me, i still zone out at boring parts but I still get the basic gist of it.
I still do that myself I’ll read a whole page and then realize I have zoned out the entire time and remember nothing. Usually that happens when I’m not as invested in the material. I’m current reading the wheel of times series and am enjoying it. However it has it’s boring or just overly detailed areas that I find myself zoning out more in.
I only read one of those books for school, Huck Finn. That was a good book. We only read a tiny bit of the Odyssey, which I also enjoyed. We just had lots I didn’t like. Great Expectations, The Great Gadsby, Shakespeare (yea, all of it, I said it), and Canterbury Tales come to mind. The last one mostly because of it being middle (?) English.
And I read stuff now, and none of it is genres I read in school. Just for 10 years after high school I basically didn’t read.
I get that it is honestly hard to read stuff you just don’t connect with or find interesting on some level. I absolutely loved the odyssey and huck finn. I can completely understand people not getting on board with Shakespeare especially when you’re younger.
I’ve definitely gone back in red some of the really popular books back when I was in high school because I can appreciate them more now. However, I still read a ton of fantasy novels and stuff like that which I find more interesting then most things I read back then.
You ain’t lying. Most of the bartenders at my favorite bottle shop / brewery are teachers doing a side hustle. They need the money.
Want your teachers to stop doing OF and more on the side? Pay them better.
This is the only reaction people will have when the article drops about her getting fired. Then she gets more viewers, and probably makes more than she ever would have as a teacher.
This is ridiculous. What she does on OnlyFans has absolutely nothing to do with her performance as a teacher and it is disgusting that teachers that we desperately need are not only getting fired for being forced to do outside work to afford to be able to live and also buy supplies for their own classrooms but that they’re getting excoriated for it.
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How do those “officials” find these OF accounts? 🤔
I think you know.
I mean she did use her real first and last name on the account? Not exactly intense detective work.
That implies they’re specifically searching for their female teachers on onlyfans like horny 14 year olds.
Y’all, it explicitly says in the article she was found by a student who did some 4 Chan level of detective work when she showed up in a different video on someone else’s page.
Ah, the ol’ highschool rumours. Spread like wildfire, or nudes in this case.
Or the horny 14 year olds found her account and, being 14, didn’t keep it to themselves.
Why would they tell these “officials” lol? The next question would be “you didn’t masturbate did you?”
They don’t need to say it directly, kids are dumb and gossip in earshot of other teachers.
But but but, what are those “officials” doing on OF if they think it’s “bad”?
They get it all wrong. In an increasingly online society, this is a nice way to keep the parent-teacher conferences interesting.
But seriously, I don’t get the problem with sex work. It’s not like that’s in any way shape or form relevant for her teaching capabilities. Sex does not become immoral just because you point a camera at it and all these people had to have sex to have children in the first place. Where’s the outrage about children living with their parents? These monsters have sex with each other! Some even while the children are at home!
Well I personally think the real issue here is teachers graduating with too much debt and the fact that most teachers are forced to have some kind of second job in order to pay their debt, bills, & rent \ mortgage.
Stop trying to address the root cause of thie actual issue and humanizing these people. You need to act performativly OUTRAGED and have a moral panic fueled by your repressed sexuality!!1!
(/s)Meanwhile, business continues as normal in religious schools where hundreds of thousands of American children learn under actual pedophiles. That, however, is ok because getting fondled or raped by a priest has an association with the magic sky guy.
I agree with you and teachers have been long underpaid, but also I think this is symptomatic of the middle-class squeeze that has been in play for a long time. The wealth consolidation, out of control costs for higher education, and inflation is strangling the middle class and the poor, IMO starting to strangle the economy, and stories like this are the blood squeezing out around the fingers as the grip continues to tighten.
The only way I can see this becoming a problem is if the kids can’t focus in her classes because they know she has an OnlyFans account. But kids have imagined fucking their teachers since I am sure teachers have existed, so it would just be an extension of that and she probably would have strategies to deal with it.
i named my cum sock after my secondary school english teacher
That might just have been oversharing.
I needed more information. Context. Maybe even a personal anecdote. But this went a little extra. Correction: very extra
As a chronic masturbator I always though cum socks were a myth as tissues have been invented. You live and learn.
Thanks for sharing!
The teaching community (as an institution)has some pretty specific thoughts on how to maintain the parent/student relationship and it involves maintaining some kind of curated image to their students.
One time, when I was maybe 25, I saw a gaggle of good looking women at a pub about the same age as me, and then they came over and asked how I had liked the conference. “conference?”
There had been a teacher conference and a large group went for drinks later and assumed I was also a teacher. I lied and joined the group.
We ended up going to a nightclub later, and one teacher saw that a few of their students had managed to get into the club, and they LOST IT. Not upset at the kids, but they were captured by abstract horror at the thought of their student seeing THEM at the club.
I pushed on it a little bit, like “shouldn’t they be the ones worried about seeing you?”
And like, the whole group thought I had lost my mind. If COURSE the students couldn’t see us there, how would they ever respect us if they understood us as humans with our own lives? The teacher/student relationship would evaporate. Anarchy. The response to my question was immediate and unanimous.
So… I gotta say… I don’t really get it… But there is a culture and mindset within the teaching community that is extremely foreign to me. And, based on my personal experience, I suspect that suspending OF teachers is probably the popular response within the greater teaching community as a whole. I’d be REALLY curious if there is any data that disproves my hypothesis.
I think the idea is that a lot of teachers feel they cannot maintain a proper teacher-student relationship unless the student see them as some sort of ultimate authority on something, and seeing them as humans might put cracks in that. I don’t agree with them since most of the teachers I loved the most in school were the ones I could empathize with, but it was certainly the way a lot of my teachers seemed to believe when I was in school.
I agree. I got the impression it was something they all were taught while getting their education degrees. It reeks of policy developed on ancient and flawed pseudo-psychology
That being said, I know dealing with kids is hard. I can well remember how I thought every parent was stupid and that parenting was easy before I had kids.
I can’t say I have a better way, just that I’m suspicious ofthe current mentality.
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So my wife teaches at a college / trade school, and has worked there for about 5 years. Previously she was a field engineer with a lot of experience working with the trades. She prefers to be “one of the boys” but can also play the professional role.
So at first she figured “well we are all adults here” and treated everyone as peers who were there to learn. It didn’t take long for her to be frustrated and burned out. She told me it’s too hard emotionally to think of the students as people, much like how livestock cannot be pets (we have a farm, lol).
There’s an endless stream of them and some are good, some are bad, some don’t try and some give it their best but don’t have what it takes. Some ask her if she’s on Tinder or have an Onlyfans… Ick. You can’t get them all through the course and you can’t develop relationships with them or their stress and emotions will rub off on you.
So she started putting up this firm barrier where she is the teacher and they are the students. Changed her style of dress from business casual to “unapproachable career woman”, puts on that teacher attitude, and is enjoying her life a lot more.
However it results in that odd behaviour mentioned above. If we go out to a casual pub to eat pub food and drink beer, when one of her students walks in the door she’s practically hiding under the table. “They can’t see me like this! I don’t have my makeup on, I’m wearing jeans, I’m drinking beer from a can! They have to think of me as a teacher, not an ordinary person!”
That’s called healthy work boundaries my dude
I had a science teacher in highschool that I happened to bump into at a Magadog show. Turns out he was friends with the band. I smoked a joint with him that night and nothing was different on Monday morning.
We ended up going to a nightclub later, and one teacher saw that a few of their students had managed to get into the club, and they LOST IT. Not upset at the kids, but they were captured by abstract horror at the thought of their student seeing THEM at the club.
In highschool, I worked at Sam’s Club as a cashier (one of those bulk-sales places with memberships, like Costco.)
Just before school started, I had teachers come through stocking up on candy. 2-3 of them. They started acting squarely because how dare teachers shop for school supplies.
It was pretty funny, though. They had a giant flatbed filled with candy, among some other things.
I don’t get the problem with sex work.
Sigh. You must not know any sex-workers then.
The recent glamorization of sex-work is something that exists solely by those who do not participate in it.
I’ve seen a lot of advocates for legalization, if not glamorization, come from the sex work industry. Aella, for example.
Legalization is different from glamorizing.
It should be legal, but should not be glamorized. If you don’t understand the latter half, it’s because you don’t know sex workers and probably base your idea of the profession around a few popular outliers.
The vast majority of sex workers hate their jobs and encourage everyone to steer clear of the profession.
I think you misunderstood. There certainly are problems with sex work. Woman being forced into it and living under terrible conditions for example is a big problem with the industry. But this post is about the outrage of other people. What I certainly don’t get is the problem people see in others doing sex work voluntarily. There is nothing morally wrong with having an OnlyFans account or doing any other type of sex work if you chose too. It is just as valid a choice as any other type of work. We should just make sure the conditions aren’t abusive.
Someone gets naked so everyone loses their minds.
People shoot up schools: thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers…
Religion is insanity.
To be fair I doubt a teacher that shoots up a school would be allowed to keep their job either, but these days who knows.
Lots of countries have religion, but not many countries have guns as the leading cause of death among children and teens.
Yeah, instead they do things like kill LGBTQ people with machetes or put you in prison for apostasy.
Religion is insanity.
You say that like every country apart from the USA does that, lol.
Yeah, instead they do things like kill LGBTQ people with machetes or put you in prison for apostasy.
You mean like Australia?
We’re supposed to have separation of church and state to avoid this type of violence from religious zealots, but the us government decided to legalize bribery so they used the insane wealth they’ve amassed, in part due to tax-exempt religious status, to buy their way in.
Europe on the other hand is the exact opposite.
Religion is insanity.
Thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers… People shoot up schools
Everyone loses their minds so someone gets naked.
Yes that’s accurate
That problem would probably get a lot less acute if you guys over there finally started to pay decent wages to teachers
Once workers get paid more, prices just go up.
But if teachers were paid well, more talented people might decide to become teachers, and then children would receive better educations and possibly start to question why our society is structured the way it is. Much better to solve the problem at its root and keep everyone ignorant.
That’s not really a consideration to the state governments deciding on how and why to keep teachers pay low. A version of that is at play in circulum design, but not really in pay.
It’s mostly a mix of:
- Hatred of public schools
- Their kids go to private, or well funded public districts
- Poor resource management within state budget
- Desire to weaken public education system overall, to advance vouchers, charters, etc.
- Power. Getting off on their raw exercise or power.
The people who designed the system decades ago might have had the more nuanced, if still evil, approach that you outlined, but not now. The current crop are a lot stupider and their conception of cause and effect is a simplistic version of 1-1=0.
You are right. That would horrible.
Yes, the children yearn for the mines anyways. Just toss them in there and put some audiobooks over loudspeakers.
If that doesn’t legally qualify as school, we can change the laws
Which is why the gym coach teaches history. He has an alternate name for the Civil War.
Polite Conflict?
The war of northern aggression most likely.
Or the war between the states. Doesn’t really matter, honestly. Anyone who uses an alternate name for it pretty much tells you that their sympathies lie with the confederacy.
The American Civil War began on April 12, 1861, when Confederate forces opened fire on the Union-held Fort Sumter.
Cuntfederates: I’m going to ignore that.
Ignorance is bliss so by not teaching our kids we can make them happier. /s
but… then… like…
how would we have actual teachers to wank off to on OF? huh? HUH?!
(/s. teachers shouldn’t be forced to have a side hustle. Never mind, you know, doing gig-work pornos.)
To educators literally raising our kids?? Naahhhhhh.
^ Can confirm, have a teacher in the family and she struggles staying in the profession due to pay issue.
Agree teachers need decent wages but I’m curious why you view this (teachers running only fans sites) as a problem?
It’s not a problem with onlyfans in particular but teaching is difficult and critically important work. It’s a problem that people are not paid enough and have to look for side hustles (of any sort).
