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Throw all of them in with the normal prison population and any conservative that tries to “liberate” them.
Hitler was imprisoned almost 100 years ago, in April 1924. Perhaps Trump is going by the playbook. Hitler was 34 years old then though, so that part is a little different.
Maybe he’ll skip to the Führerbunker part with Eva Braun?
As the article mainly states, this isn’t just because Trump can’t help it but also as a strategy to make it easier to get a favorable appeal. Plus, it would stoke his favorite way to portray himself, as a victim, and fundraising:
there have been recent conversations among some of Trump’s 2024 campaign brass of how much of an immediate fundraising boost they would enjoy, if a New York judge were to try to put Trump in a cell for even a minute. “All the cash in the world,” one Trump political adviser says.
Can the judge jail the lawyers for repeatedly violating his orders? They should know better than to antagonize the court.
I am far from an expert, but I don’t believe so. The court can fine them or maybe recommend them for censure and disbarment.
Sure. A judge can hold anyone in contempt of court, and they can fine or jail them for any length of time.
But could you hold a lawyer in contempt of court for something their client tweeted? That doesn’t seem likely.
Yes you can. It’s the lawyers job to keep their client in hand not the judges or the courts.
It seems like putting a lawyer in jail would just be a recipe for delaying a trial though. They can’t be expected to provide defense if they’re locked up. Or do they just require you to find new counsel?
I’m sure he has a whole team. If it was a small case, with really only one lawyer, then they would probably not jail them.
I think the solution here would be for the judge to go after Trump’s lawyers. From the article they’re engaging in some of this behavior themselves, in addition to encouraging it in Trump. But, they want the optics of Trump getting imprisoned in order to play victim and try to help an appeal. Seems the judge could side step that and go after the lawyers instead, who have more to lose.
She should remand the entire Trump legal team to the jail for a day, and require Trump to stay at his home for that day as well.
Winner winner chicken dinner!
Lawyers are officers of the court and she can grab them by the short and curlies.
Yeah… Trump political advisers seem to be correct all the time…
Never gonna happen. Judges aren’t going to do shit to this guy without a guilty jury verdict.
Even then they’ll probably wimp out.
Wimp out in fear of what? Not being re-elected?
Having their house set on fire, things like that.
Fuck their house, this is the future of our country at stake!
Sure. We’ll put you in there, and any kill-billy that tries to interfere can share a cell with you. Bastard.
Same as every other time he has tried to stir shit with these trials. All they have to do is keep a level head and let the hammer drop. They’ve got him, the evidence is there, all they have to do is get the trials to go through with as few hiccups as possible. These judges need to keep a level head and they should be able to do so easily because, despite all the petulant whining and diversionary tactics, they’ve got him.
People said this many times before and he weaseled out of it. I will be optimistic if and I stress IF he ever faces consequences
This reads like a dumpster fire. I hope the judge is way more level headed than I.
Again…
I can think of no better defense than directly antagonizing law enforcement
Seems to work for anyone with enough money this far.
According to two sources familiar with the matter and another person briefed on Team Trump’s legal strategies, the former president and his lawyers are intentionally trying to provoke the judge into a nuclear-level overreaction.
This? Is the plan?
That’s like saying you’re going to kill a dragon by hopping into its mouth.
To be fair it does work if you have an immovable rod and a DM that honors rule of cool.
If the judge loses it bad enough, they can claim “judicial bias” and have a pretty clear path to mistrial/appeal. Given the situation, it’s probably the best play they have.
Any normal defendent would be in jail though, probably before the trial even started, but definitely after calling a judge names while in court. I’m simultaneously shocked and not at all surprised he isn’t.
Why would he have been in jail prior to trial?
They don’t do pre-trial detention for fraud, and the only way for this trial to lead to jail time is a (deserved) contempt charge.
Overreaction?
How is it an overreaction when any normal person would have been tossed in jail months or even years ago?
Normal people don’t have a few thousand people out there waiting for an excuse to shoot people.
But they should jail Trump anyway. When you have such a dangerous following, it’s even more important that the law come down hard.
The whole “well-organized militia” thing is kinda biting the US in the ass.
How so?
Those are supposed to be independent examples of how rich people get richer, but yes, they can do all of them.
They’re already finding excuses.
If the lawyers get disbarred then Trump gains time but the lawyers’ careers are fucked
“Step 1, I hop into the dragon’s mouth. Step 2, ???. Step 3, the dragon dies and I emerge victorious! There are no holes in this plan at all!”
According to two sources familiar with the matter and another person briefed on Team Trump’s legal strategies, the former president and his lawyers are intentionally trying to provoke the judge into a nuclear-level overreaction.I think Trump’s legal strategy is he knows he’s lost already. He’s going to be fined and run out of business. So is his only hope is if he and his lawyers are obnoxious dicks and provoke a reaction to force a mistrial or grounds for appeal. Also he can whine about “witch hunt” and the usual nonsense to his base if he’s found in contempt or held accountable for his actions. Expect this nonsense to happen in his criminal trials too.
I think Trump’s legal strategy is he knows he’s lost already.
I’m pretty sure he has lost already and guilt has been legally decided. This is to determine the penalty. FTA:
Engoron ruled in September that Trump’s financial statements contained fraud.
This trial is to determine the depth of the fraud, and importantly, the consequence appropriate depending on the outcome. The whole strategy now is to delay and get to appeal probably with the number one goal being to get elected again and create a legal quagmire, or simply ride out the rest of his years until his milkshake-filled arteries realize he hasn’t ever had a heart and the only thing that’s been pumping this long is pure narcissism.
This is, sadly, probably the least stupid thing he could do, because the more facts you learn about Trump, the more you’d think his fetish is just bending over and getting fucked by a strap-on wielding Lady Justice.
Fucking do it already.
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I will straight up double-dog-dare them. I bet they won’t, they don’t have the balls.
What are the Vegas odds?
“This decision is based not only on the odds, but also on an appraisal of the man.”
The defense is just trumping up reasons for endless appeals.
I see what you did there
Im glad you have not gone blind.
Someone said that he could still become president even if he went to prison. Is that true? I don’t understand how that would even work.
Technically speaking, yes. Trump could be sent to prison tomorrow and still be elected President. There isn’t any “the President can’t be currently incarcerated” requirement. (Likely because the founding fathers thought it was self evident that a criminal shouldn’t be elected President.)
As for how it would work, nobody knows. It’s never happened. Would he get to go to the White House for 4 years and then have to return to prison to serve the rest of his sentence? (Assuming here that he couldn’t just pardon himself.) Would he need to conduct presidential business from the Square Cell instead of the Oval Office? Would a SCIF need to be set up in the prison so that Trump could review classified materials from his cell?
We would be in totally uncharted territory if this happened.
There’s some weird argument by his cult that it’s not in the constitution that a president can’t be in prison. It’s a lot of mental gymnastics, ignoring the fact that he traitorously stole classified nuclear documents from the US government, along with subverting democracy in the RICO case with the 18 co-conspirators.
You’re conflating two things here. There is absolutely nothing in the cotus that bars someone from becoming POTUS because they are in jail. Imo, there should not be, just like you should not lose your right to vote simply for being a felon.
However, there is something in the cotus that bard someone from being an officer of the state if they’ve been part of an insurrection. This, imo, should bar him, but I’m curious to see how the court cases play out.
Isn’t being a traitor to the US (RICO case + stolen documents + Jan 6th insurrection) against the constitution though?
This Chicago Tribune article goes into more detail.
Treason is defined in the cotus, and none of the three things you posted would rise to the level of treason. The article even talks about it. Neither the Rico charges nor the classified documents, even with a conviction, would bar him from the presidency, but the jab 6th could make him ineligible.
Also, giving the documents to foreign officials would probably be as well, but not just having them.
Don’t get me wrong, it should be disqualifying for any potential voter. . . but unless I’m missing something, this is certainly not treason and I don’t know how it would disqualifying some other way.
Article III, Section 3, Clause 1:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
It would be giving aid to an enemy surely.
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