Yesterday I blocked politics, worldnews, and similar. Feed was becoming nasty, depressing, everyone arguing, complaining, criticizing, trolls, strawmen. Literally people saying it all sucks, nothing matters, everybody’s a liar, there is no point, why bother…
Since blocking, way better experience on lemmy.
Hexbear, Lemmygrad, and Lemmy.ml will filter out most of it. Ani.social will flood your feed with furry porn, so unless that’s your thing, I’d do them as well.
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seconded. lemmy.ml has afaik the biggest interesing communities for FOSS, privacy, Memes, etc.
FOSS, privacy, Memes, etc.
Aka whining about YouTube ads, paranoia, and communist whingeing thinly veiled as humour.
No big loss.
You really love the bomb, do you?
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about dot jpeg
You could have stayed on reddit, but here we are.
Don’t antagonize them, any excuse to get off of reddit is a good one.
Lol they always out themselves
Seems like you outted yourself as cringe.
It’s not, but even if it was that would mean 2/3ds of lemmy is full of licking authoritarian boots and genocide denial, so I’m fine with not seeing that.
Not even remotely close to 2/3, and it’s the whiney and annoying chunk anyway. I don’t want to “not engage”, I want them out of my feed.
Same, its just garbage and a shit load of snowflakes that break with the smallest difference in opinion or jokes that don’t fit with their political opinion.
I’ve had multiple bans from Lemmy.ml, they are anything but neutral. The best way to cop a ban is to make a comment arguing with their point of view that people actually agree with, they hate that.
They’re also some of the most insufferable people on the Internet.
Were they bans from lemmy.ml, or from specific communities within lemmy.ml? I’ve only had a ban from [email protected]
Edit: Actually maybe it was for the whole instance lol, not sure, I hadn’t noticed I was banned for 2 weeks anyway.
Edit2: Seems it was just the one community, I was commenting on other lemmy.ml communities just fine. However the modlog doesn’t say which community I was banned from. Generally, the modlog should contain more information.
I’ve had both an account suspended, and a ban from presumably the whole instance. I didn’t care enough to investigate further.
Looks like you have a year ban at POLICE PROBLEM then a 5 day instance ban on another account. Although, I’m not sure it is an instance ban, I had a similar one that had no community in the modlog but I was still able to comment on other lemmy.ml communities (this could have been a federation bug).
Multiple accounts have had a bunch of removed comments under “Rule 1” and “Rule 2” bans (which are kind of bullshit as they don’t actually reference which set of rules, the modlog doesn’t say which community it was removed from and also most rules are just bullet points and not numbered). Typically these are either bigotry or “Be civil/respsectful”, which way around they are depends on which set of rules. The former is often misused all over lemmy, but the latter can cover any hostile comment.
Currently you have a ~2 month long ban from .ml’s World News, but that does seem to me a problem community from what I’ve been seeing.
This one was funny:
2 months ago - mod - Banned @Ilovethebomb from the community [email protected]
reason: PUNISHMENT TIME BITCH!
2 months ago - mod - Unbanned @Ilovethebomb from the community [email protected]
2 months ago - mod - Banned @Ilovethebomb from the community [email protected]
reason: liberal
I can just imagine the look on the mod’s face when they realised their reason would be published to the modlog, trying to go back and change it only for it all to be set in stone. What’s interesting is they didn’t remove any comments.
That is actually quite funny. I should go and wind up Lemmygrad then, I thought I was banned from the instance.
Lemmygrad and Lemmyml are run by the same insane people…
Yes indeed but despite their more extreme beliefs compared to the average lemmings, they are quite lenient and accepting with lemmy.ml. I wouldn’t call the devs insane, solely for the fact that they gladly welcomed all the Reddit immigrants despite that they get numerous hate posts about their ideology.
Just to clarify, I’m just a normal libcenter guy, not an extremist.
My multiple bans would suggest otherwise, you either get downvoted or banned. They really don’t like it when people actually agree with you.
That wouldn’t have anything to do with you being an obnoxious dink, would it?
They don’t like it when people actually agree with you
Can you tell me an example? I find no reason hating someone if they agree with you.
I mean, if you make a comment arguing against their weird commie POV and it actually gets traction, they don’t like it one bit.
Huh, didn’t know that. Lemmyml seemed totally fine though?
If you want to see the face of a instance, look in the modlog.
The open modlog is amazing, however the only trouble is it’s often impossible to tell who is doing the moderation. It could be the community mods, it could be the admin. I can understand not wanting to show the specific user that performed moderation, but I think it should at least tell you what capacity the moderator was working under.
Admin have ultimate control over their instance. However, they should try to set reasonable expectations for users, as otherwise users will leave. Admin tend to be sensible, with the prime exception being hexbear.
Community mods have free reign over the community, but must act within the rules of the instance. Thus, if the rules of the instance allow it, then a community mod may have every right to ban you for any reason they like - even if you broke no community rules. The idea being: if users don’t like the moderation they can easily set up their own, competing community (just like how reddit was supposed to work, eg how r/anime_titties was created for news because r/worldnews moderation was crap).
I’m sure there are dodgy mods on lemmy.ml, but I’m not aware of the admin performing bad moderation.
But most of the moderation is done by community moderators, not admin. So it isn’t necessarily the face of the instance but the face of each individual community.
However, if the moderator doesn’t assign their username to the moderation action, then you can’t really tell who’s done it. It just says “mod”, but it could be a community moderator, or it could be an admin. I can understand a mod not wanting to publish their username with the action, but it should still at least tell you what capacity they were acting under. Generally, I think instance admin are more sensible (with the exception of hexbear).
Also, when you load the instance modlog you’ll end up seeing moderation from every other instance, and it doesn’t even tell you which community it refers to most of the time.
As of a few months ago, lemmygrad is run by them as well. I don’t remember the specifics, but there was talk of some form of taking over every other Lemmy instance as well (I know there were calls for it from at least one of the tankie communities, either lemmygrad or hexbear), and the general hostility of both lemmygrad and hexbear users was why many instances defederated from them at that time.
Well, I’ve never come across anything that made me notice, which is certainly a good thing.
They’re all radioactive shitholes. There is no “lesser evil”, it’s all hypocrisy and willful ignorance in those circles.
Lemmy.ml has several solid communities, including the largest AskLemmy community. Their top 20 largest communities are all pretty mainstream and don’t really see the kind of posts/comments that make people wary of Lemmygrad or Hexbear.
No it isn’t.
Lemmy.ml is run by the same group of people that run lemmygrad. They took over the domain a couple of months ago. Since then, Lemmy.ml has turned into a tankie paradise.
Moreover, Lemmy.ml will apply inconsistent moderation without ever informing you what happened. I was having posts removed, no one was telling me anything, and then suddenly I was banned for two weeks. I tried reaching out for help to get clarity and there was zero response.
Lemmy.ml is a dumpster fire that should be avoided at all possible costs unless you want to deal with reddit style moderation and behavior combined with the toxicity of lemmygrad and hexbear.
I’m sorry, I’m confused. You said Lemmy.ml is run by the same people as Lemmygrad.ml but if you click either of those links, you can see the admin list. Not one user is the same. Do they have different accounts, or what? Do you have some kind of citation for this?
Okay, liberal.
Genuine question, is that like supposed to be a legit insult or more ironic?
They definitely see it as an insult. Check the comment history and you’ll see there is no attempt at irony. Just an angry poster who’s fallen too deep into it.
If you go to very leftist areas of the internet (socialist or communist areas, anywhere from anarchistic (bottom left) to authoritarian (top left)) you’ll see people using liberalism by its political science definition, rather than the definition its taken on within American culture. It stems from the idea of capital moving freely (that is, liberally) without restrictions. You’ll also see it referred to as neoliberalism in the same spaces.
Full disclosure, I myself am pretty extremely socially libertarian (arguably borderline anarchistic), and have used liberal derogatively myself.
Thank you for literally proving my point for me.
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They took over the domain a couple of months ago. ?
wasn’t ml started by Dessalines/nutomic??
Theyre run and populated by the exact same people, bud
They are a little bit more mask on than mask off, but they are just as hardcore tankie because its literally the same people
NO??? ml was the first general purpose instance and so had the most amount of users at the beginning, meaning a lot of normal communities developed there
Don’t confuse the newbie who just got out of his Reddit bubble, he’s scared and alone
Oh good! Let’s trot out the condescension!
Your sense of entitled elitism does not redound to the quality of your character.
Right, keep pretending the admins arent the same. Blame reddit for your confusion over 2 servers being owned by the same people.
Surely you will look clever, and smart. No one will find you out
there’s a lot of paranoia about some of the least threatening people I’ve ever encountered
What does any of what was said have to do with the same people owning two different servers…
If being a tankie means thinking critically, addressing concerns in a topic of debate, and not generalizing strangers into groups (go figure coming from the ML defender squad 7 over here) then sign me up.
You couldn’t even bother to address the point you had to result to NAME CALLING just to feel intellectually superior.
Low bar, par for the course.
And attempt to engage in secondary unused communities? A lot of the most active communities are on it, you are just asking for your home page to be either way too filtered or a wasteland.
I don’t think [email protected] is that toxic, or [email protected], or [email protected]
I always have my home to “Subscribed”, I see nothing really bothering me
Given the admin that is in control of all of those, and admin who have proven that they love to micromanage and moderate individual communities, then yes. Yes it is that toxic.
[email protected] is just as active
then subbing to ml as well will give you twice the activity
Lemmy.ml is run and was started by the developers of Lemmy. The developers themselves align with lemmygrad, however they try to keep their politics out of lemmy.ml for the most part. It’s debateable how effective they are with this, it probably ebbs and flows somewhat.
Moderation without informing you is common across all lemmy instances. Moderators have to go out of their way to notify you, there are no automated messages to go along with moderator action. However, lemmy has always had an open modlog, so you can see why you were moderated if you look it up. Note: sometimes I’ve had difficulty loading the modlog, particularly the instance modlog (where an overall instance ban would be), though community modlogs tend to load fine.
Also, you should bear in mind the difference between instance admin and community moderators - a community moderator is allowed to run their community as they see fit, within the rules of the instance (like reddit was supposed to be). If a moderator wants to ban you, they may have every right to per the instance rules, even if they have no good justification or you didn’t break any rules.
Certainly, the hexbear admin are just as bad as the hexbear moderators, and will throw bans around for dubious reasons while protecting their own committing the same offence. Lemmygrad moderators seem a little less eager to ban, but they’re still looking for any excuse. I haven’t had any encounters with lemmy.ml moderation though, but I wouldn’t consider the place a dumpster fire - that title firmly belongs to hexbear.
One good reason to keep lemmy.ml is simply to keep up with lemmy back-end development.
the modlogs are public, anyone can just go on hexbear, plug in your name and see why you got banned:
here’s one of your removed comments:
mod Removed Comment Actually Palestinians started the violence. They fought a war, they lost. That doesn’t excuse anything Israel has done, but credit where credit is due. Hamas are not freedom fighters, that isn’t their goal. Their goal is to eradicate anyone that doesn’t share their beliefs. Freedom for the people of Palestine and peace in the region, but the likes of Hamas and Netanyahu can suck a bag of each others’ virgin dicks. by [email protected]
the reason you were site banned was because you were having a meltdown over getting a comm ban for your genocide apologia (lmao)
mod Banned [email protected] reason: convicted on purgery (malding over a comm ban :farquaad-point:)
People finding out that their history of being an asshole is public information will never not be funny
Be specific, which part of that was me being an asshole?
This, nonchalantly being a prick
Lol you think I hadn’t already checked that during this discussion? I don’t need to go to hexbear to see it, lemm.ee is still federated so it shows up in my local modlog. What’s weird is that my ban on lemmy.ml doesn’t for some reason, it looks like a bug where it didn’t federate through properly - the comments shown as removed on the lemmy.ml modlog are still there on lemm.ee.
here’s one of your removed comments:
mod Removed Comment Actually Palestinians started the violence. They fought a war, they lost. That doesn’t excuse anything Israel has done, but credit where credit is due. Hamas are not freedom fighters, that isn’t their goal. Their goal is to eradicate anyone that doesn’t share their beliefs. Freedom for the people of Palestine and peace in the region, but the likes of Hamas and Netanyahu can suck a bag of each others’ virgin dicks. by [email protected]
So what exactly in that is genocide apologia? Just because I’m criticising Palestinian attacks gone past does not mean I support Israel’s response in any way. The comment literally finishes with me criticising both sides - ie, implying that all genocide is wrong.
the reason you were site banned was because you were having a meltdown over getting a comm ban for your genocide apologia (lmao)
It wasn’t a meltdown, the message I sent was very tame - sarcastically thanking him for getting me banned. Feel free to dig it up, it was posted on Chapo. You’d struggle to call it “malding” - but then, that’s what you’re all about isn’t it? Slapping a bullshit label that really doesn’t fit, then arguing against that label. It’s a form of scarecrow argument, one that is completely transparent when you actually look at it.
I don’t care about your justification for both siding an ongoing genocide
I didn’t “both side” the genocide - that would be saying that both sides are justified in committing genocide. I’m saying anyone who commits genocide is wrong. Meanwhile, there are a bunch of people caught up in the middle of it all. You would apparently dehumanise one portion of these people, because you value the other portion more. That is reprehensible.
In any case, we’re not talking about my justification, we’re talking about hexbear moderators’ justification - of which there apparently is none. Thus, my point stands: hexbear is a dumpster fire; and that implies that hexbear devotees are trashy.
THAT makes sense why ani.social defederated from Lemmy.ml (I only subscribed to the anime instance since it had the largest user base)
Edit: the “.ml” anime instance is still the largest compared to everyone else. What a shame that we can’t move away from it
This was Ani’s side of the story: https://ani.social/comment/2199318
Lemmy.ml defederated from ani.social, pretty sure cuz the borderline pedo bait
I don’t visit ani.social, a quick glimpse just now shows me a few Images that seem like borderline, but not straight-up “drawn sexualized child characters”. No idea how they usually are.
But from following the story, it seems pretty typical that even the lemmy.ml admins - who develop Lemmy as a whole - would do a defederation without a public transparent process or even a notification to the deferated instance. That’s straight up unpolite.
Yep. Explicitly because of CSAM
Gonna have to be that guy again, but underage cartoon porn is not CSAM. CSAM as a term was invented to help law enforcement focus their limited resources on actual child victims. Underage cartoons are still child pornography, and still wrong and illegal, but CSAM is something else and deserves more immediate action.
There’s no point in having technical terminology if it isn’t used correctly :o)
Good point. Lemmy.ml admins said CSAM was the reason so just passing that along.
Add ani.social too IMO.
I would suggest some, but I’m pretty controversial and no one likes that
.ml is federated with hexbear, so I’d suggest blocking them. I find them pretty infuriating.
lemmy ml is the omni-instance, it’s federated with everything except NSFW and a few outright nazi instances which have no right to exist. That’s the main reason I set up here, I don’t want proto-fascist admins deciding what instances I’m allowed to interact with coughworldcough
At first I was against ml not federating with NSFW instances until I signed up for one, and WOW it’s just non stop commercial spam.
All of them :)
How cringe can they be if you have to ask for an instance instead of just noticing it yourself?
Yippee
Honestly, on .world I never see any except for users on the actual posts, so block whatever they’re blocking.
Lmao
WELL WELL WELL… WELCOME BACK
Via browser, add ‘/instances’ to the URL of your instance. It will tell you what you can reach and what is already blocked
You as a user cant block instances on lemmy itself right now
I know that, I am just saying its mostly not necessary as most of the work has been done for you
Not on instances that just don’t block anything.
Of course, but since OP has sent it from blahaj.zone it on its own blocks some common ones.
Shure but sometimes you need to block more for your own sake.
Isreal Palestine threads are also great for finding users to block. Reeeaaallly petty and vain way to use a decades long humanitarian tragedy, but I personally dont want to listen to the opinions of anyone who’d celebrate violence and horror of that level
You should block [email protected] among other child fetish communities.
Curiosity took me so I checked it out. I just see petite adult women? Literally every single post has 18 USC 2257 compliant age verification in the main body and it’s listed as a rule on the sidebar that it must be included.
I’m all for a fuck literally any child fetishization. But they seem to be very clearly ensuring that there’s no children. you can’t seriously be saying that any adult female with a petite body should be seen as shameful and equated to a child?
Said women have every right to do whatever, including doing SW. This is not an individual problem.
The problematic part is people actively searching out and forming communities around pron with women looking as close to a kid as possible. Condemning those guys has absolutely nothing to do with the people in the content and in no way shames them.
It ain’t the women at fault, nor the content inherently, it’s the context and people fetishizing them in a way they prolly would’t be comfortable with in the first place.
Browsing through the comments a bit, I don’t really see them fetishizing it as even close to children. They just happened to be into petite women, the smaller the better. On the opposite extreme is stuff like the BBW fetish people who want the woman to be as large as possible.
There are definitely people out there who are probably looking at them just because it’s as close as they can legally get to teen, but I’m not really seeing much of that in that particular community at least not out in the open. It’s definitely possible to be interested in extremely petite bodies without it having literally anything whatsoever to do with any potential similarities to underage women.
If I had to guess it’s probably mostly just people who like being in control, the idea of an adult partner who is so small that you can literally pick them up with ease and use them like a toy. I found a decent number of comments that seems to be on that sort of track.
From what I can see of the age verification almost all of these women have been involved in some form of pornography even just magazine or video so I doubt that they are particularly uncomfortable about being looked at it’s actually. There’s always going to be creeps who think about you and weird ways in that industry it’s not something you go into not knowing that.
Now I’m not trying to be too overly defensive of this particular community, just trying to remind people to not get overly banhammer happy. That’s how Echo Chambers start to form
This could be true, but looks unlikely bcs
- The name of the forum - it is not petite women or whatever, it’s literally ‘fauxbait’
- A below comment from Doctorcrimson who seem to have gotten a very different impression than you from the same community
Do explain how banning porn groups forms echochambers tho, never heard that one before
Not specifically porn groups, I said not to be too banhammer happy. They were basically accused of being borderline pedophiles so everyone should block them. But I just can’t see any evidence of that, it’s literally the main sidebar rule that age verification is required and it’s in every post I looked at as the rules required. And I didn’t see anyone doing anything other than the usual creepy comments about how they want to fuck her that you will see on literally any porn forum.
That sort of jump to conclusions ban first mentality is what starts to lead to Echo chambers. Not from Banning porn specifically but just the mindset of ban first don’t verify
News to me, when I took up a stance over there in the form of a comment the other day people barraged my inbox for two days and never mentioned any sort of age verification measures, now I’m blocked. I hope they get audited regularly.
196 has always been fascinating to me, I’ve gotten barraged on the old subreddit before for being anti lolicon and a lot of dubious comments borderline defending creepy stuff get a lot of tracktion sometimes - only served to make me more aggressive on the topic which is prolly a good thing for me.
I get we’re a bunch of kinky queers and people are thus quick to get defensive about any percieved policing of sexuality, but there are some things that make me feel like some people here have alterior motives and there’s people who haven’t really thought about ethics in relation to pornographic content that buy into the former group’s narrative a little too quickly.
I believe their problem is the fact the entire concept of the community is adults-who-could-be-mistaken-as-teens. That’s the idea I’m getting from the name. It’s fair for that to cross a line. I think its a super gross concept, and people are allowed to agree or disagree with that viewpoint.
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The most correct answer possible.
I might switch front ends just for this feature.I’ll never block hexbear tho <3 luv my spicey leftie friendos
(Even though they more often than not seem to hate my guts XD)
Why do you block lemmygrad but not hexbear??
hexbear users aren’t as repugnant. simple as.
lemmygrad is proudly ignorant and not even interested in honest discourse.
Hexbear, meanwhile, will actually engage in a discussion, make concessions, provide actual evidence for their claims.
I can actually learn shit, useful shit, from Hexbear. Lemmygrad is a vacuous hole where information goes to die.
Hexbear users are also, generally, more fun to talk to, have a better sense of humor.
Lemmygrad users, meanwhile, have demonstrated to me a pattern of being joyless hate-geysers.
Wow, the comments are really turning into a dumpster fire.
My hot take is not to block instances because you can’t report what you can’t see
Yeah, I wasn’t expecting this to blow up as much as it did lmao
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I got banned by saying people should vote for the least fascist candidate…
In a first-past-the-post election you should vote against the most dangerous candidate (such as the most fascist or autocratic candidate) by voting for the other major party (there will generally only be two.)
This will only slow the advance of plutocratic subterfuge, so you want to get involved with efforts that include election reform to something more democratic like ranked choice.
I’m nerding again.
Hot take: none. Let information flow free. Take it with the good and the bad. Don’t lock yourself in an echo chamber.
This was the attitude I admired on reddit, until it got overrun by Nazis.
I was wrong.
Hot take indeed.
If the dog shits on the floor you don’t just start walking around it, you clean the floor.
Not a good analogy because then blocking the instance is like killing the dog.
Also a valid solution to the poop on the carpet problem.
Just saying
Yeah i get it. But Just seems like an overkill.
What? No it’s not. If I block an instance it’s still up and running, I just don’t see any of it. It’s like if I put on a selective blindfold.
Not at all, it’s just making it so the dog has to shit outside in a particular spot you never have to walk through
Not so hot take: My time is finite, why force myself to see shitty facebook memes, dog pictures, crusty “battlestations”, etc.?
I disagree, I would love to block NSFW instances, and I’m grateful to the users that voluntarily post in there. For me Lemmy is too searchable for me to get into those luxuries.
My hot take is: Depending on the individual, this may be a healthy and responsible thing to do. The outrage cycle that was established in commercial social media to “drive engagement” is very bad for our meat computers (shown in multiple studies). It is much healthier and more productive, at times, to block users, communities, and potentially instances (removing this ability, and forcing me to use their algorithm for sorting, is why I left Reddit, in addition to the harm caused to disabled communities).
Hexbear kind of pissed me off for a week. But I kind of like how nakedly transparent they are. Now, whenever I come across one of those threads, I see where its coming from and I relax. They’re just pro-russia regardless of if it makes sense. I don’t know what the Murica equivalent of Russia is, but they’re that
They are campists. It’s been the bane of leftist parties forever. That’s why socialism really got a foothold in Europe via third-way social democracy, because it doesn’t feel the need to make tyrants into folk heroes in order to relitigate the cold war
Do they support Russia or Putin? If they support one, they hate another.
Your experience with hexbear is fully dependent on if they’re interacting with you, or someone you hate.
They’re anti US, not necessarily pro Russia. They support Russia in the Russia-Ukraine war because they think Ukraine is a US puppet state because the country wants to align with Western nations, and of course no nation on earth has its own agency and everything is the US’s fault. They’re pro anything that challenges the US and other liberal countries.
They remind me of a bunch of teenagers trying to be edgy.
What fucking kills me is they’re like 80% American teenagers who have never even been to Europe or Asia, but simp hard for Russia and China
I can’t read German or french
Oh mein Gott er kann kein Deutsch lesen grundgütiger wie kann man das nicht können c’est incroyable, non c’est impossible je voudrait penser mais non
I like getting exposed to languages that I’m not fluent in. Sometimes I pick something up or get curious and learn something new from translation. A multilingual internet is a colorful and beautiful place.
You are missing out on all the sturgeon jokes!
Is this a positive or negative?
Same here, but every now and then an English source comes through so I keep them available.
Your instance is one of the most oppressive regarding that…
Would you say the same when someone is harassing you? Or how about if they were Nazis? Because keep in mind OP is just blocking them and not removing them from all of lemmy.
OP is asking which ones to block because he currently is not being harassed. If he was being harassed, he would know which ones to block.
That’d be fine if the tankie takes had any value to them. The only value they’ve added to me is showing me why real world communism has always ended up the way it has. And now I’ve learned that lesson, so theres no further value
i never understood this take. echo chambers aren’t inherently bad; forced debates are never good. communities are supposed to be places you go to feel comfortable not where you’d forced to debate or turn anything into an argument.
Normal interactions with normal communities will be plenty of diversity, there’s absolutely no reason to engage with or listen to nazis. Right wing politics has mastered brainwashing, it’s dangerous to read that shit too often.
They’ve mastered brainwashing to conservative religious nutjobs and incels. Maybe young and naive teenage boys, on top of that. If you aren’t an idiot or a teen, you should be immune for the most part.
Not that I’m saying you should go out of your way to interact with Nazis. Unless the interaction involves punching.
If you aren’t an idiot or a teen you should be immune for the most part.
Yes but the problem is between idiots and teens you’ve covered about 70% of the population.
Exposure to other viewpoints is good. No need to debate. And if you’re on a large instance, you’ll see that. Not everyone thinks alike, there are shades of gray. Discussion is allowed to happen but intolerance isn’t tolerated.
The tankie instances ban anyone for even asking questions politely that they don’t agree with. It’s a total monoculture and I assume they’re mostly still kids, because everything is black and white and can be solved without any nuance at all.
I assume they’re mostly still kids, because everything is black and white and can be solved without any nuance at all.
This is SO important. Remember that the “Dirtbag Left” a la Chapo et al. was created when the Alt Right was running rampant in high schools. Their goal was to attract young people to the left. Which is great! There’s a place for cringe edgy teens to feel like they can fight for a better world. But I’m really not looking to hang out with arrogant teenagers right now, and definitely not with their emotionally immature adult chaperones.
Even if the other viewpoint is that trans people should get shot or locked up and are members of a secret child sex ring? I don’t think I want that on my feed. I don’t want people that want to kill me on my screen while I shit
Nope, not at all. All that falls into the intolerant and intolerable category.
Defending capitalism or Israel - or even suggesting that both sides might have agendas - will get you banned in quite a lot of subs here.
Okay, but this is more about blocking instances that are very extreme. Those can most of the time not be discussed with
Nope, not at all. All that falls into the intolerant and intolerable category.
Defending capitalism or Israel - or even suggesting that both sides might have agendas - will get you banned in quite a lot of subs here.
Exposure to other viewpoints is good yes, but is it good when that exposure only ever gets you insults hurled your way from the people you’re trying to have a discussion with?
exactly. everywhere irl all i see is people debating my existence. i just want one place where i don’t have to think about that. x.x
Nope, definitely not - which is why I’m not a free speech absolutist. Let those instances sit on an island by themselves.
Is exposure to other viewpoints good when those viewpoints are half-baked straw man hot-takes that the users are just parroting because they heard their favorite YouTuber say it?
I don’t need to be exposed to yet another dipshit who insists the holodomor never happened. That’s not me avoiding other viewpoints, that’s me avoiding fucking morons.
The fact that they are mostly kids is a big part of the reason why I feel the need to add context to their bad political science.
Sometimes questions have answers.
Exposure over and over won’t be novel, or helpful, just grating. We do not need to endlessly rehash every possible argument, over and over and over and over and over.
This is very close to the Nazi point of “just asking questions” or when they say it’s just free speech. Not saying you’re arguing it, but it is a very thin line.
What’s the line then? Why do people ban Nazis and not tankies? Tankies are authoritarian, they defend the massacre of Ukrainians, the Uyghur genocide, and other historic “socialist” atrocities. Why do we give them leeway? Are they skirting the line just enough? Are they intentionally using the optics of socialism to do so? Etc.
Keep in mind, just because someone blocks someone or an instance it doesn’t necessarily make the space an echo chamber. We don’t know if they live in a state or work in a place that is blasting Fox News 24/7. They may be very active on Twitter exposed to that sewage. Heck, the liberal point of view is quite a lot as is with the way they are defending Israel.
I think I’m arguing the exact opposite. We should ban/defederate nazis and tankies. But we shouldn’t ban people with different views that aren’t beyond the pale.
You can have a nuanced opinion of Israel/Palestine without being labeled as a genocide denier since it’s still in the fog of war.
It’s much harder to have a nuanced opinion about Rohingya, the Holocaust, Uyghur, Darfur.
I like your response. I don’t have much else to add.
90% of the time it’s bigots who are upset that they’re getting deplatformed. The other 10% of the time it’s the incredibly idealistic or naive. Either way it’s a crap argument. You are under no obligation to endure verbal diarrhea, nor is it your responsibility to change the minds of the people spewing it. They shit the bed, they can lie in it.
I have no need for those weird anime fan clubs. Like that chainsaw shit. Or holo-whatever
yes I need to see the fascists masquerading as leftists otherwise I would be living in an echo chamber…
They’ll certainly bring up an actual good point from time to time, unlike actual fascists.
Mostly though you can negate the majority of their most obnoxious shit takes by blocking users.
But my instance isn’t federated with Lemmygrad and Hexbear as is so I can get away with that, and I don’t see “Genocide is okay if” takes in my feed.
Thanks for the nuance. While I agree that tankies can be annoying, I think it’s stupid to compare them to fascists with the whole “red fash” thing. Just because they have some terrible takes of their own, it doesn’t make them fascist.
The worst of them do deny genocides, which is terrible, but they do it out of a habit of denying anything western powers claim actually happened. I imagine many of their members are trolls and contrarians, as well. Despite this, like you said, some of them have decent takes and not all of them are off the deep end, yet
They’ll certainly bring up an actual good point from time to time, unlike actual fascists.
and a broken clock shows the correct time twice a day doesn’t mean it’s useful to have it taking up space on the wall.
also they are actual fascists. in the chapo trap house community I literally got the reply “ukraine should be destroyed at all costs”
Well, as long as we judge entire communities by the actions of individuals.
People who say this are generally fine being a part of every other instance that is full of liberals who repeat fascist propaganda verbatim. Seen rather clearly in response to the recent escalations in Gaza.
