“Every day Biden chooses to fund genocide, he loses support,” said Sunrise Movement.
So by not voting for Biden you’ll get trump. Trump just wants to ban all Muslims… so yea… good luck with that.
I am done voting for the lesser evil.
All it does is increase the overall evil.
We have been increasing the overall evil for FAR too long.
I saw comments just like this usher trump into office the first time.
Then force your party to support better candidates?
Yes, by making the voter turnout abysmal.
Don’t give ANY corrupt assholes the stats to allow them to claim they are what America wants.
If you have noone worth voting for, be loudly disenfranchised.
If you have noone worth voting for, be loudly disenfranchised.
This is an excellent quote and fits the situation perfectly
Elect better candidates in the primary? This year there is an incumbent. Let’s defeat, not elect, the greater evil.
And the incumbent is massively funding genocide and is trying to make that funding a closed door black box process.
Don’t support the rapist con artist fascist. Don’t support the genocidal fascist.
Only support good people.
Don’t support the rapist con artist fascist. Don’t support the genocidal fascist.
Your hyperbole is ridiculous. Trump actually is those things, and not voting for Biden is equivalent to supporting him. Replace first-past-the-post then vote for whoever you like, until then your obstinance is stupid and self-sabotaging.
Then the party needs to address this better this time around.
That’s what primaries are for.
The DNC is clandestine.
They hold a primary election to make you feel involved, then they throw a party and put forth whoever they feel like it.
Same model as the electoral college but with zero accountability instead of virtually no accountability.
All your vote does is inform The Party that you are buying their horseshit.
Ok what is your solution? Or are you just trying to stir things up and then give up?
A vote isn’t a say in anything in particular.
A vote is raising your hand in the attendance check.
Stop giving corrupt people your attendance.
Register independent. Vote on laws, not people. Pray the fire smothers without your fuel (your vote) so that we can finally build anew.
I don’t care.
Lesser evil rhetoric is horse-shit.
Not to mention Hilary wouldn’t have been any better. If she got in office we would probably still be balls deep in war with Syria. She rigged the DNC and ushered in Trump.
Don’t regret not voting for her. I do regret voting for Biden’s genocide though.
Then have a real primary. If no one can beat Biden, what is there to lose?
I voted 3rd party in 2016, and guess what happened? Outside of organizing some massive vote for a 3rd party candidate, all you’re doing is preaching to the choir. Ineffectively.
We do what we can.
you can be done with it as much as you like but that doesn’t change reality… FPTP is absolute shit: vote for the lesser evil or you get the greater evil… that’s just the way it is
want something different? you have to change the system first
that’s just reality. deal with it or vulnerable people die and hate wins
Also, the only people even considering changing the system are the democrats. The democrats actually do have some forward looking people. The establishment sucks though.
Biden, your lesser evil, is making America bankroll the murdering of Palestinian children.
If you vote for Biden, you are making yourself accomplice in that.
Yes. Change the system. Stop voting for The Party.
cool cool cool so vote for trump and things get even worse for the palestinians
again, reality is fucked but that doesn’t change that it’s reality… work within the bounds of what’s possible rather than pissing into the wind because you don’t like the options
Not voting for Trump either…
Are we in the same conversation?
I explicitly said I refuse to vote for The Party.
Not touching the trolley lever is still a choice.
Absofuckinglutely.
Vote harderer Melkath! This time will be different then the last 13 times. Promise. Trust the neoliberal plan. It hasn’t… failed……us……… yet.
Voting hard just enshrined abortion rights into the constitution of Ohio, which will save quite a lot of women’s lives.
Dunno if you care about that, but hey, I bet the women who would otherwise be destitute mothers or dead are happy with it.
I’m with you.
Not sure if you are agreeing with me or misunderstanding me.
I’m agreeing.
Well, the reality of global geopolitics is that it’s far too important that the US to have a reliable ally in the Middle East for them to abandon Israel and Joe Biden isn’t going to do something that degrades US national interests for his own personal political benefit.
So… yeah. I guess they want a president who is self-interested and transactional instead. I guess they want Donald Trump.
So by taking voters for granted you lose them. Condescend more, it will never stop working.
I give this country fifty years before it splinters.
Tops.
We need your optimism.
Before? It’s already been destroyed.
From the perspective of realpolitik, I’m not convinced abandoning support for Israel will win him more votes from pro-Palestine groups than he loses from pro-Israel groups. Lots of moderate Americans support Israel implicitly.
Either way, it’s politically costly with no upside for him. I think Biden’s only hope on this file is for the Gaza war to end quickly before the next election, but I don’t see that happening. Looks like Israel’s plan is an indefinite multi-year occupation of Gaza under an authoritarian police state.
In the perspective of realpolitik, he’s fucked anyways. He’s down >10 points with young voters, and currently below Trump in swing states polling (just 1 so far, could be meaningless as a metric, but still relevant). DNC will support Israel because they’re a major political donor. The Ds went too hard to fast early in this conflict and it’s too late to backpedal. He’ll have to try really hard to either try to win back the young votes, or appeal to the moderates and never-Trump Republicans.
This whole election cycle is bizarre, nobody wants neither Trump nor Biden. Their favorability is abysmal, one’s about to go to jail while the other appears to be half dead. I honestly wish we had decent 3rd party infrastructure and rank choice voting, but I don’t think we’ll be breaking through this 2 party bs this cycle.
If a third party stood any chance for president, this coming election would be the one. However, I wouldn’t advise anyone to do so unless you really don’t have the slightest preference somehow. There isn’t a chance, it’s just better than every other time but still 0.
If you asked the average American what the difference was between Palestine, Hamas, Hezbollah and AL Queda, they wouldn’t know. I’m not saying that’s a good thing, but there sure are a lot of media articles that seem to be based on an American populace that doesn’t match up to their logic.
Electioneering a genocide will surely work in his favor.
I think neither will work in his favor politically. But honestly, given what I know about the American electorate, I unfortunately suspect that “pro-genocide” may be politically safer.
Maybe looking for ceasefire? Accountability of how Isreal use billions of dollars? Maybe Nato can go there and slowly stop hamas with targetd attack?
There are a lot of options the biggest military in the world can decide on, and yet he doesn’t show any sign of compassion or remorse of innocent human life.
Just FYI Israel isn’t in NATO, though it is part of the Mediterranean Dialogue.
I mean, sure, but what are we gonna do, vote for Kang?
Implement RCV, slay the 2-party system
I’m a fan of Bucklin voting in particular, allowing equal and skipped rankings along a bounded range of 0 to twice the number of candidates, every candidate default of 0. Give people an offline digital interface to do the work, they confirm it, print it, check it and it gets scanned to be counted. Undecided if I think votes should be weighted by rank or not, maybe just for tiebreaker.
Except the people who we need to implement it are rewarded by the duopoly
They don’t think that far ahead.
I can’t find Biden’s position on it, but the Obama administration he served in supported RCV. Democrats generally support RCV, Republicans explicitly oppose it. Many red states have outright banned it.
It won’t happen. Here in Canada where we have a healthier multi-party system, electoral reform was a Liberal party platform right up until they got elected, where it swiftly died. There’s no way the Democrats don’t do the same.
Can you imagine an ad with Biden’s full throated support for Hamas/Palestine backed by pictures of the babies Hamas murdered in their cribs? Biden would get slaughtered for that.
I won’t have to imagine the ads with pictures of kids being pulled from the rubble in Gaza with graphics of Biden supporting a genocide, interspersed with audio of him speaking of beheaded babies and unreliable death counts. That’s going to happen.
Edit: Don’t think I didn’t notice “Hamas/Palestine” . They are not the same.
