EDIT: To the people downvoting this post because democrats > republicans: you’re missing the point.
EDIT: To the people downvoting this post because democrats > republicans: you’re missing the point.
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People: But they aren’t perfect!
Me (trans): But…I want to live tho
People: But gaza!!!
Me: It is literally illegal for trans minors to get any gender dysphoria treatment in my state and they’re drafting bills for adult bans, please help me (and also Republicans would’ve gone even harder supporting Israel)
People: BoTh SiDeS!!!
In multy-party system, you often end up voting for a party that then on your behalf makes deals with other parties to form coalition, deals you did not agree upon. It is like delegation of duty, or rather usurpation of your vote. And you still end up with fucked up government that does not reflect your values. In two party system you are the one who are forced to make those compromises.
In multiparty system, often one coalition (or even party) dominates for many years and election cycles. The two party system nearly guarantees strong opposition.
I still think that two party system is better.
Let’s have a no party system like George Washington advised.
Because the rich have spent 2 centuries entrenching themselves in power, and literally everyone else won’t do a thing about it.
We’re all so apathetic that the impending collapse of our ecosystem is viewed with a shrug. When it should be met with torches and pitchforks in the street, and Madame Guillotine for the rich and powerful.
Nobody gives a shit because they’re all waiting for someone else to do something.
Oh I’m pretty sure the rich entrenching their power goes back a wee bit longer than 2 centuries. Ask a feudal peasant.
I mean in the context of the USA. But yeah you are absolutely right.
2 centuriesforever
This speaks to me. Thanks.
The Constitution was literally the best a bunch of doped-up, syphilitic slaveholders could come up with to replace the divine right of kings. They even had a first try with the Articles of Confederation and fucked that up.
We really need to stop teaching kids that a system of government written by people who used leeches to cure hysteria is the greatest thing ever created.
What recommendations for a different form of government do you have?
I see the campaign to suppress Democrat voter turnout has started.
It is all over everything right now. It’s giving me PTSD from 2016. Are we voting Jill Stein again?
If the duopoly of our government is enough to convince folks not to vote, they weren’t going to vote anyway and were just looking for a reason.
I don’t disagree with OP, but at the same time, we’ve only got one tool to enact change. So let’s use that tool to get things like ranked voting.
But you’re also right, plenty of folks out there telling folks to give up. All the more reason to not in my opinion.
That’sa lie. I’ve voted every election since eligible age but fuck the two majors. I’m happy to write in, but I’m not keen on Cornell anymore either so I’m about to nope, unless someone better than the status quo comes along.
I’ve voted democrat for every election I can remember. And while I like to see my “team” win as much as the next guy, at some point you realize that other countries have better electoral systems in place.
Meanwhile, we’ve all acquiesced to this 2-party winner takes all bullshit.
What country would you point to as a good example?
Sweden, Germany, Colombia, Australia, etc. Ranked/Alternative/Proportional voting. We should have multiple choices without fear of voting for less popular options being useless. With our current system we basically can’t vote for third parties.
I’m skeptical of ranked choice voting being a panacea after watching Eric Adams get elected in New York
Let’s not pretend that ranked choiced voting in Oz didn’t elect Tony Abbott, the prototype for Trump’s one liners and spewing hate.
Every answer to whatever question: “Stap the boats”
Don’t get me wrong. I’m all for it. But it’s not some silver bullet that will make all the party candidates turn into Jesus.
Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, Malta, Northern Ireland and Scotland all have ranked choice vote. Slovenia had it previously but regressed to FPTP in 2021.
Look I hate a two party system as much as the next person but the both sides are the same thing is just not true, don’t say it.
The most confusing thing to me is how Democrats can have majorities in the House and POTUS and their agenda gets inched along but the second Republicans have that their agenda gets rammed through asap.
Is that a misconception? It certainly seems that Republicans make much more aggressive and active use of their power.
House
this is incorrect, the GOP controls the House atm. The Dems control the Senate.
Really, take time to understand how legislation is crafted in a bicameral congress, it’s worth it.
I didn’t say they controlled the house, I described what they do when they control the house.
Do pay attention to the complexities of the English language, it’s really worth it :-P
how Democrats can have majorities in the House
man I’m just reading what you wrote.
They clearly meant in the past
Gottem lol
If you’re referring to relatively recent events (like the first 2 years of Biden’s term) you need to look no further than Kyrsten Sienema and Joe Manchin. “Democrats” that opposed the agenda (and general Good Things™) for personal greed and lobbying interests. Biden had a majority in the house, and a hostile supreme court, which we’re going to be dealing with for a good long time that’s to McConnell’s fuckery. The defection of Sienema and Manchin made progress very difficult.
It’s also harder to get the wider variety of interests in the big tent of left to go in the same direction. Kinda like herding cats.
The way to end the 2-party stranglehold is to implement RCV or similar, and the only party trying to do that is the Democrats.
They are? More info please.
Sadly, no. It benefits them to keep it the way it is.
Oh. I thought we’d reached the ninth circle and hell had frozen. :-<
DC democrats do not represent Democrats nationally, but if you find that compelling, far more local Democratic groups support it:
- Alameda County (CA) Democratic Party
- California Democratic Party
- Colorado Democratic Party
- Maine Democratic Party
- Massachusetts Democratic Party
- Minneapolis, MN DFL Party
- Progressive Democrats of America
- Progressive Democrats of Los Angeles
- San Francisco (CA) Democratic Party
Compare which cities and states have implemented RCV in the US, (mostly blue,) and which states have outright banned its use (mostly red.)
Democrats did a big push for RCV in 2019, and while the Biden administration hasn’t weighed in yet, the Obama administration he served in supported it.
Same. Democrats are shit but I mean…fuck republicans more.
“first past the post” voting always devolves to a two party system. The founding fathers knew this and warned against it. Until we get ranked choice, or something similar, we’re stuck.
CGP Grey video for those who want to know more
That’s a great video.
Don’t ‘both sides’ this one. The rule is and has always been:
- vote for the option that will help us be healthier, happier, and do our part
- repeat
The two options aren’t even comparable anyway. It’s like comparing the Flu to Covid.
Here are some cold hard Ameri-facts for you:
- Having 2 dominant political parties is a reflection of how our political systems have been designed at almost every level (federal, state, local). American politics is very much based on first-past-the-post, winner-takes-all elections. These kinds of election systems are terrible for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the very real problem of vote splitting and the spoiler effect–leading to “third parties” which are almost all unserious, nonviable, and potentially backed by people with ulterior motives. The vast majority of the time, voting for a third party candidate in America is simply throwing your vote away and is effectively the same as not voting. (Even as a “protest”, it’s not a very good one, because it’s never clear what can be interpreted from why people vote the way they do.)
The solution to this problem is changing how we run elections so that the most popular candidates are more likely to win, and so that people’s individual votes are less likely to become nullified in various ways (like by voting for a statistically nonviable candidate, for one). I like Ranked Choice Voting and STAR voting, but just about anything is better than the way that most American elections currently work.
- Even in a hypothetical future where we have 10 viable parties (and more democratic voting systems), no political party is going to “give a fuck about you” as an individual. Republicans, Democrats, Greens, Libertarians, Vegetarians, Librarians, and whatever other parties spring up. The truth is, they all only give a fuck about getting your vote, so that they can get in a position of political power to do the things that they and their influential backers want (all the while reaping the benefits of doing so). There is no political party on Earth that is in it for the benefit of all of mankind–they all have some kind of agenda and ideology that they want to put in place.
In that way American politics is like a tug of war, we current have 2 viable parties, one pulling the rope to the left and another pulling the rope to the right. You can spend as much time as you want lamenting where the rope currently is compared to where you would like it to be. But if you want the rope to move left, it makes sense to join the left side. And if you want the rope to move right, it makes sense to join the right side. Sitting out just makes it easier for the “other side” to make “progress”. Having more parties doesn’t really change that, it just turns a 1-dimensional battle into an n-dimensional battle.
The biggest benefit that comes from having multiple (viable) political parties is increased competition of ideas. But again, America truly require huge systemic changes to how we run elections to make that a reality.
I’m going to be voting for the party that more closely aligns with the direction that I want the country to move in. It’s the only smart move in the game of American politics.
Librarians lmao
This is dumb as shit. Democrats aren’t perfect but they do care. That is why they actively took steps to stop people from dying during COVID unlike the GOP. That’s why they support universal healthcare, unlike the GOP. That’s why they support public education unlike the GOP. That is why they support free and fair elections unlike the GOP.
