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It’s Official: With “Vermin,” Trump Is Now Using Straight-up Nazi Talk He’s telling us what he will do to his political enemies if he’s president again. Is anyone listening?
I feel pretty safe in saying that we can now stop giving him the benefit of that particular doubt. His use—twice; once on social media, and then repeated in a speech—of the word “vermin” to describe his political enemies cannot be an accident. That’s an unusual word choice. It’s not a smear that one just grabs out of the air. And it appears in history chiefly in one context, and one context only.
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So who are the orcs that will vote for this abomination?
Please stop using dehumanising language when criticizing someone for using dehumanising language
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And every single poll has him winning in 2024. Anything can happen in the next 12 months, but damn, how is support for him so high?
Don’t take polls at face value. The polls said Hillary Clinton was crushing Trump right up until October of that same year and as we know Trump voters turned out and Dems stayed home because they thought it was a free win.
AFAIK the only polls that show Trump ahead right now are landline-only polls, and most younger voters who trend more progressive do not have a landline service so they are naturally excluded from the results. Regardless, even if future polls say that Trump is crushing Biden, show up and vote anyway.
Mostly because the left does nothing but exaggerate reasons to hate the democrats and make grand statements about how they’re only going to vote for someone with exactly their opinion on everything (current opinions with the benefit of hindsight applied to their historical opinions of course)
I’d say they are probably not going to vote for anyone based on opinion, because things like human rights and healthcare access are not matters of opinion. People themselves don’t want to die from lack of healthcare access or atrocities. But you have people who say it’s ok if we make it so that OTHER people die from lack of healthcare and atrocities, as long as they don’t. Those people are the Republicans.
Wait, are you seriously saying “I guess I’ll just hold my nose and vote for Biden” isn’t a catchy campaign slogan?
“I’ll hold my nose again, and vote for Biden” kinda has a ring to it.
Vote, but be ready for some direct action
One thing to keep in mind is to think about what kind of person actually participates in polls, and how that type of person will tend to lean politically (hint, old retired people)
That being said, fascism has happened continuously all throughout history for a reason. people like it when they think it’s on “their side”. A lot of conservative voters genuinely think America would be a better place if the democratic party was forcibly eliminated, and so they’re not only fine with what Trump is saying, they’re enthusiastic about it.
Combine the human tendency for populism with decades of conditioning from outlets like Fox News that conservatives are the only “real Americans” and that the “radical left” is hell bent on destroying their lives, raping babies, and turning their sons into daughters, and you have a large population of voters who genuinely think that democracy is bad if it means “the other side” gets to win.
Many Fascist movements start out with enthusiastic support from at least a large chunk of their population (Hitler was elected), by the time people realize that fascism only ever actually benefits those at the top, it’s too late
Only ancient boomers answer their phones to respond to political pols.
Skewed polling.
This is your daily reminder to vote responsibly in 2024.
I’m sure Trump’s spokesman will walk back the Nazi talk…
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Trump spokesperson Steven Cheung said of anyone who compares Trump to Hitler or Mussolini that, “their entire existence will be crushed when President Trump returns to the White House”
So they’re just doubling down on the Nazi then.
Do not call me a Nazi. The next person to call me a Nazi is the first one I’m throwing in the camp.
The dude looks like a fucking thumb. No wonder he’s a nazi.
Yeah they are Nazis.
Other Israeli political, military and religious leaders have at different times described Palestinians as “a cancer”, “vermin”, and called for them to be “annihilated”.
Not Nazi talk, it’s Israeli talk
You’d think that they’d be the LAST group to talk about others like that. But we live in this world.
Wrong. It’s the talk of authoritarian extremist politicians in all countries.
He also said upon reelection that he’d oust government officials not loyal to him and immediately begin deporting mass waves of people, including those living in the US legally.
As someone who came here from Ukraine in 76, that concerns me
Trump doesn’t care about government employees defending the constitution, he wants government employees loyal to HIM. If Trump had enough people like this last time the United States democracy would be over.
Stop voting for Republicans. They are un-American and don’t believe in our democracy.
Glad we are not on reddit so I can say this here:
We need to bring guillotines back to use on people like Trump
The Democrats need to go off script and run a fresh face with thick skin and a mouth that can pick Trump apart.
Andrew Santino for president!
I think you might be describing John Fetterman.
Nah, they just need to make him Biden’s anger translator ala Luther
Since we all seem to know where this is headed, could we all chip in on a Kickstarter to get Trump a bunker, just to be sure that ball’s rolling?
I’d prefer the Boulangist ending tbqh.
From chess?
Yes, the controversial ending move where your king flees off the board when the pawns turn against him, and shoots himself.
I saw the Guardian report that “Biden campaign accuses Trump of parroting Hitler”
How about, Trump parrots Hitler? Why this Biden campaign accuses Trump of.
Likely liability… Saying “X” puts you in the way of more lawsuits than “so-and-so says ‘X’”
You’re possibly correct, though my understanding is journalism gets enough freedom for it to be OK, but that potentially has to be resolved in court which takes money. They’d rather not be totally honest than lose a little profit.
That title is totally honest though? They are reporting the fact that the Biden campaign said X. Deciding whether or not that is an accurate portrayal of Trump is a matter for opinion and analysis section not news.
Also the Guardian is a UK publication, defamation is slightly easier to win in the UK, thus more likely to be costly for the defendant. Truth is not an absolute defense like it is in the US.
the media are a bunch of pussies hedging their bets with the audience, also willing to skew anything to cause controversy as long as it doesn’t come back to bite them. Sensationalism sells.
As described in The Newsroom, a great show I personally love, the media is “biased toward fairness.”
This is most likely due to the need to be as profitable as possible, although now that business model is changing in the Trump/Fox/MSNBC-Hyper-Partisan era and we are seeing more catered viewpoints. But the “bias toward fairness” is what has helped shift the Overton window so far to the right. They ignore basic factual truth to appear “fair,” taking this floating viewpoint that insists on looking at everything through the amorphous, yet binary, political lens.
The example used in the show was about flat earthers (this was, actually, a time when that was an absolutely absurd example): “if half of the Republican caucus walked onto the house floor tomorrow and said ‘the earth is flat,’ The Times would lead with ‘Democrats and Republicans can’t agree on shape of earth.’”
It’s one of the many, many, many, many issues with modern society that stack up to give us the overarching problem…of everything going on today. I dunno, maybe this is just me, but any time I think about any nuanced, hyper-specific issue like this, with such far-reaching consequences, our problems seem insurmountable. Because this issue is connected to larger issues and much smaller issues and THE largest issue and the consequences are devastating…it just seems like modern society has become so stacked and complicated that you can’t unravel one problem without digging up and figuring out a million others. And we’re running out of time. But even saying THAT is a multifaceted conversation…it’s all so exhausting.
Also reminiscent of the Rwandan genocide, when the slaughtered Hutu were called cockroaches.
Sure, and the kill-billies who support you when they’re not shooting up black churches and Wal-Marts are upstanding American citizens.
People have been talking about the unindicted traitor since J6 and the media pretends Nazis hushing up means no one is talking about it. Anyone still pretending he’s a legitimate candidate for office has their head up their ass.
He was elected once and I hate to say it but there’s still a chance he’ll be elected again. He isn’t legitimate in the sense that he has no sense of decorum or history or human decency but he could be elected.
He’s constitutionally ineligible for office.
I understand that there is a huge argument for that. However, I wasn’t under the impression that this is proven. It would potentially go to the Supreme Court. I don’t have faith in the court as its currently configured.
Congress could make this vote on their own motion. It’s only going to the courts because people can’t coordinate a way of forcing a vote through the legislature.
Oh, I couldn’t have any less faith in a Republican led house. They can barely elect a speaker or pass a budget. Anything more meaningful than that will certainly be off the table. Especially since they are all cowards and refused to call a spade a spade with Trump.
The most beautiful thing, in my opinion, about 14a3 is that in times of crisis when we are likely to be divided, the vote is designed to fail. It’s a bottom line, 2/3 majority in both houses to requalify.
Source? For science.
See the other comments up and down this thread
You and I agree he’s ineligible, but if 2016-2020 has taught us anything, it’s that our laws and rules mean nothing if the courts don’t enforce them.
What happens if Trump appointed judges decide that Trump still can be on the ballot? What if they decide that insurrection isn’t disqualifying because reasons?
Trump could get into office again and shred any bits of the Constitution that he hasn’t already ripped up. And this time, he might decide that he’s not leaving office and judges he appoints could agree.
Then we move on to other forms of redress
Rules don’t apply to him because Democrats are only interested in following rules that keep themselves ineffective.
They worry to much about “escalation” and the Republicans saying “don’t you do that, or we’ll do it too!”. They were going to do it anyway as soon as their old tricks didn’t work.
Ummm, no. Where did you come up with that one?
The 14th Amendment to the US Constitution bars him from holding office again, on the grounds that after he swore to uphold the Constitution in his oath of office, he turned around and tried to do a coup. There are ongoing lawsuits to this effect in at least 2 states (Colorado and Michigan), seeking to remove him from the ballot. I don’t hold out much hope that they’ll be successful, but they’re right.
Being “right” doesn’t equal reality. He hasn’t been blocked from running anywhere in the U.S., yet. Certainly won’t be blocked nationally.
What’s right and what happens are two different things. He is officially ineligible. That doesn’t mean he won’t physically be elected.
He is NOT officially ineligible. No one has blocked his candidacy.
And bank robbery isn’t illegal unless you’re prosecuted, right?
The previous person indicated that there is a clause in the constitution that would make him ineligible, not that anything had been done about it.
14th amendment section 3
And? No one has official barred him from running. Just because we hate him, doesn’t mean he’s blocked from running.
Until Congress votes to redeem his candidacy he’s ineligible. It takes the type of reading comprehension that public schools avoid teaching up to.
This is definitely not true. No one has barred his candidacy.
Like that’s gonna stop him
“I am the Constitution”- The Heritage Foundation
Every time I think it can’t get worse… This fucker is a pro. I need to stop underestimating him. Speed-run to fascism in less than a decade.
I mean we do have the internet now so it makes sense things are at least a smidgen faster Maybe if you account for that variable the Nazis had approximately the same timeline?
The dominoes have been getting set up since the 70s. Just because it looks fast once they start getting knocked over doesn’t mean there hasn’t been extensive prep in getting there.
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Is anyone listening?
Yes, his base is, and they love it.
That’s exactly it, and this is also why the media CONSTANTLY “discovering” that Trump is a Nazi is just signal boosting his campaign content.
Maybe in another eight years they will move on from “dae notice that Trump is a racist fascist Nazi?” And instead start saying “don’t vote for racist fascist Nazis, do this instead.”
