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One mom said she cried for 10 days after hearing she was being removed from her daughter’s birth certificate.
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What a sad news, anyways
I dunno man, two dads sound fun, but 1 mum was enough for me.
Under current Italian law, the member of a same-sex couple who is not legally recognized as a child’s parent could lose custody if the legally recognized parent dies or the relationship ends.
Shameful, hateful shit. What the hell Italy.
I’m gonna admit to doing the reddit thing where I read the title and the comments and start to form an opinion.
Reading your comment, I thought Hmm, well, that doesn’t seem too unreasonable. Should a new partner in a separated-parents-scenario really have a claim on custody? Well, reading the actual article where same-sex couples get married and have children get the birth certificate retroactively changed to not include one of the parents is a whole different story.
Shameful, hateful shit. What the hell Italy.
Yeah, I’m with you. What the actual hell.
Gotta do something to distract from the abject poverty the government has driven the country into over the last 30 years. Back then, Italy was about as wealthy as Germany and France.
Elected fascists doing elected fascist things. Spain is going to be like this soon enough as well, maybe together they will roll the welcome mat for Putin as well.
Spain? That’s extremely disappointing. Spain was my backup plan if the United States decides to do a genocide. I guess it’s Canada now?
Italy was mine…
No dude, they’re not fascists, they’re socialists. Social media says everyone in Europe is to the left of America
Left and right are artificial, meaningless constructs, and I will never get tired of saying that. Reality is complex, but people are idiots. If there is any political division, it is more along the lines of the parties that try to follow their political goals within the structure of their constitution and design of their governments, and those that don’t mind breaking it to achieve their goals.
I’m so sick of humanity.
inhumanity is guaranteed when a right-wing political party forms the government.
From the article “Italy’s Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni, leader of the far-right Brothers of Italy party, made anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric a cornerstone of her campaign for office. She opposes allowing same-sex couples to adopt as well as marriage quality, calling civil union “good enough” for LGBTQ+ couples.”
it’s not all of humanity doing this, it’s fascists. don’t use the rise of fascism to hate all of humanity, just fight it.
edit: “all of”
But fascists are a part of humanity, I don’t get this?
Centralized systems lend themselves to fascism, and our species is undergoing it’s most all encompassing centralization ever.
It’s like if you hate mushrooms. You don’t say that you hate all food, just mushrooms.
no. fascists choose to act inhumanely towards others while wanting the benefits of humanity for themselves.
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lmao
It’s hard to fathom how the people who enact these laws can fall asleep and feel like they’re doing something positive for the world.
they know they’re being terrible. the cruelty is the point.
Disgusting comments from some pro-lifers on this thread. Throwing this child into an orphanage when they had a stable family already is the anti-thesis of pro family doctrine. It’s hypocritical ultra right wing bigotry. All that remains of the right is their absolute hatred of the left. This really is the death of right wing majority governments. We saw their true colours during the January 6th capitol hill insurrection, during the BLM protests, during the Ukraine and Syria conflicts where Republicans teamed up with foreign enemy governments and during Obama’s presidency.
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The idiots are no longer ashamed of being stupid.
These are the kinds of people who go to a book club meeting every Sunday for a book that clearly non of them have ever read.
It’s insane that ultra-right fascists (in Italy and America at least) always define themselves as “Christian.”
Christ would flip tables on them and pull out his whip
Ok well I was never planning on going to Italy anyway. Sounds like a real shit hole.
I am sure foster care and orphanages will teach these kids some good family values
did you drop the sarcasm tag? or were you being serious?
Not everything needs a sarcasm tag.
I used to agree with you, but Poe’s Law has grown to Kaiju proportions in recent years.
I have to agree with you.
But the mayor of Padua, Sergio Giordani, is defying the government’s orders and continuing to issue birth certificates recognizing two-mom families.
God bless this man. May the rest of Italy be so bold!
I mean, they made a Mussolini fangirl prime minister. I’m honestly surprised they were able to keep the anti-lgbt agenda hidden this long.
That’s terrible… She’s her daughter in every way.
And the thought of losing your child if something happens to your partner, it breaks my heart.It’s maddening to watch all of the progress made around the world getting pushed back for no good reason aside from making a minority of the population uncomfortable—with their beliefs being based on lies and misinformation.
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The thing is, they are only uncomfortable with it because some fascist politician is telling them to be uncomfortable with it. I am a same-sex married person with children. When people are face-to-face with a regular person like myself who happens to be married to someone of the same gender and has kids, most people actually have very little problem with it. But then some politician feeds them lies, lies that are then propagated on Facebook or Twitter, and suddenly they have an issue with the concept.
What is happening in Italy terrifies me. It’s terrifying because it is the same slippery slope Russia went down and the same slippery slope we’re heading down in the USA. We’re watching it happen in real time with kids who are transgender. The GOP is not stopping there. They have already shown they are a full-on fascists. They will not stop until the USA is their authoritarian utopia.
This is EXACTLY my biggest worry and frustration. We are seeing a large group of people who think the way they are told to think and believe what they are told to believe. Unquestioningly.
These people cannot be reasoned with or educated when it comes to the subjects in question…
… except at the same time they’re completely different when talking to individuals from the targeted groups face to face. I see it every day. For instance railing about something LGBTQ+ related from Faux Newz then greeting a friend and his husband 15 minutes later.
It’s mind boggling: not just the behavior but the number of people who are so gullible.
Ribbit
Since the progressives and people who want redistribution of wealth, more regulation and bureaucracy, and for the state to take care of them are highly intersecting groups - I’d say they have made their bed and have to lie in it now.
It took just a little nudge, it seems, to make governments sufficiently insensitive and powerful again to start taking the rights one may consider secure, because it’s other people being forced, not you, right?..
Sad but not surprised.
Still scary to see that it’s Italy, not, you know, Hungary or Poland or at least Austria.
Can you be a little more succinct and explain the direct link between what progressives want and the government taking children away from their families?
Yes, progressives are usually more centralist-democratic than institutionalist. So government taking something by force just because it’s been voted for is more normal for them.
Thus I’m saying that this is one way this can look in reality. Though taking children is a bit too grotesque, yes. But it’s not as if my tone here can change anything for people hit by this law.
To reiterate, I’m asking you to elaborate on a direct link between what progressives want and the government taking children away from their families.
What you’ve said is tantamount to: “well progressives want the government to do things, and now the government is doing bad things that progressives don’t want them to do, but they’re still things, just like progressives wanted.”
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But conservatives also want things. And government overreach is a thing, so they should be comfortable with it. Right?
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Love seeing the sheep who think that “progressives” are the problem will happily elect the assholes that expand government reach, take more of the peoples’ money while simping for the rich, and work to screw the people the most in any other ways they can imagine.
People like you are the problem. It’s just ridiculously easy to convince you simpletons it’s not. Run on and piss off.
will happily elect the assholes that expand government reach
I won’t. However I’m in a country where election doesn’t decide anything anymore (and if it did, the last time was a few months after I was born), military force will at some point of decay.
Love seeing the sheep
It’s peculiar to see a whole crowd of people illiterate in economics calling everybody outside their group “sheep”.
take more of the peoples’ money
Progressives are usually friendlier to the idea of raising taxes. Which is taking people’s money. No, it’s not different.
It’s just ridiculously easy to convince you simpletons it’s not.
But it’s people like you doing the same thing in every generation and acting surprised when it turns out that for any big corporation (including the goverment) they are bugs.
Run on and piss off.
OK, now that’s my grave mistake, I really didn’t want to piss on you, but the wind …
Raising taxes on the people that chronically find ways to never pay taxes. Not raising taxes on regular people. Nice try framing the argument the way you think it ought to go.
Raising taxes on the people that chronically find ways to never pay taxes
You said it yourself.
Not raising taxes on regular people
Regular people range in age, income, education, districts where they live, various kinds of health, ethnic background and so on. Dunno why I wrote that.
How do you determine “regular” in the law, in simple unambiguous words?
I believe taxes for the top 3 (if not 4) quintiles in the US should be higher.
So yeah, regular people don’t pay enough in taxes
OK. I’m in general against raising taxes, but if yes, then top 4, because market incentives (share of the tax income) work on governments too.
The Dunning-Krueger is strong with this one…
I’m not engaging with a sheep that has swallowed every crumb of bullshit they’ve been fed.
And since you’re slow with phrases, this one’s hopefully more clear: Go fuck yourself. Seeing the flavor of your comments on a thread concerning women’s rights, that’s likely all you’ll ever do anyway.
The Dunning-Krueger is strong with this one…
That’s like yelling “hold the thief” - the thief always starts first.
I’m not engaging
So what are you doing now, exactly? You could have been silent if you didn’t want to engage.
Go fuck yourself.
I prefer fucking you.
Seeing the flavor of your comments on a thread concerning women’s rights, that’s likely all you’ll ever do anyway.
Do you realize that everybody reading this can also check my comments in this thread?
And see that either you yourself have a problem with reading comprehension, or you are deliberately trying to deceive your readers.
Talk about idiotic word salad. You must love the sound of your own voice.
Some of us read books and have a bit longer attention span.
Now, it doesn’t take any effort for me to inform you that you are to me what I am to Mozart using just a bit more text than you’re used to, so I’m doing that.
Everyone that wants the state to have more power over people’s life, property and labor is to blame. You can’t give power to a position that is selected through a popularity contest.
Your blind devotion to libertarian politics has prevented you from even understanding the issue we’re all discussing. We’re talking about a right wing government taking children away from their parents because of their sexual orientation. Progressives didn’t vote for that.
Progressive or conservative, everyone was ok with giving the government powers to do this.
Didn’t you know that not wanting tainted food is exactly the same thing as supporting Mussolini?
Hardcore conservatives do hardcore conservative things
Ignorant libertarians: “ackshually it’s the progressives fault”
It’s the last desperate lashing out of the old beast.
People have been saying the “last so and so” or the death roll, or the movement is dying out by attrition. I just wish I had your optimism. I mean I did, but as I grew (in 40s now), I noticed that the numbers don’t matter when you have power and a plan. Just keep your opposition from organizing properly by controlling the message and manufacturing outrage for the supporters to talk about instead of actually problems. The media sells their story to make money and also distract from the real problems (their owners).
Did the average person hear about the Senate hearings during covid? The oil execs that stated their board of directors only care about making record breaking profits during the pandemc, instead of trying to alleviate the burden on the general population. They probably wanted a yacht for their yacht. Can’t let a good opportunity to make money go to waste. It’s actually against the CEOs fiduciary obligation to the board to not make as much money as possible. Even if they have to factor in payouts for a faulty product that kills someone the life cost doesn’t matter, legal, the only obligation is fiduciary.
Sure we have the “numbers,” but the numbers don’t matter too much when the system is set up to be run by a smaller group of people that just have to keep others out and confuse the majority by making news harder to shift through.
I certainly hope we’re seeing it dying. It will never completely go away, but we can hope it dwindles to the point where it has no power.
My opinion is that state and law should not care about sex of a parent or partner. Just to guarantee us all the same rights.
My other option is that this is quite bad news article (thou that might not be news site, so it is not on them, but on us) since there are a lot of opinions but is hard to find any facts in it.
What exactly is the law? Who exactly is who? What are the consequences, practical not only emotional? This is raising fear levels, but I am not certain what to fight against (except whole Italian government).
Facists announcing that they will oppress minorities when they’re being voted into power.
Gets voted into power. Oppresses minorities.
People
Fucking fascists and fucking Organized Rape Worldwide (I may have spelled catholics wrong).
Your spelling is fine . particularly when we remember the deaf children at the Antonio Provolo Institute for Deaf and Hearing Impaired Children in Lujan de Cuyo who were abused, tortured, and raped by priests for more than a decade. and the priiests had helpers who helped them commit these horrors. Of course, the pope and his vatican knew about it and chose to let it continue. cos that’s what they do.
sources:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/priests-found-guilty-of-abusing-deaf-children-at-argentine-schoolhttps://english.elpais.com/elpais/2017/05/15/inenglish/1494846873_269569.html (alternate link : https://archive.ph/9Pa26)
https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2016/12/argentina-probes-sex-abuse-deaf-school-vatican-knew (alterate link : https://archive.ph/e2t6z)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-pope-ignored-them-alleged-abuse-of-deaf-children-on-two-continents-points-to-vatican-failings/2019/02/18/07db1bdc-fd60-11e8-a17e-162b712e8fc2_story.html (Alterate link : https://archive.ph/N9IzF)
https://international.la-croix.com/news/religion/new-trial-linked-to-clergy-rape-of-deaf-children-in-argentina/14240 (alterate link : https://archive.ph/8W6QZ)
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/02/pope-francis-catholic-abuse-povolo-schools.html
Anyone who can read these accounts without throwing up has a stronger constituton than me.
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