Doesn’t matter what the headlines or the opinion polls say. Vote like democracy depends on it!
I don’t live in the US so I don’t have a horse in this race
But it just seems like half of the people here can’t qualify Biden’s successes (and why he’d be worth a second voting for again) and the other half are just scared that Trump is on his way back and therefore the Dems need to vote like crazy to keep him out, regardless of how lacklustre his current term was.
I’ll say it here: he lost the popular vote with his unequivocal support for Israel. As a self proclaimed Zionist, he chose Israel’s genocide of Gaza over Trump’s victory and too many voters are going to remember that over whatever he’s going to promise (which so far is nothing; his campaign so far is just reminding everyone that the other guy exists).
There’s no way Dems win this one, unless Biden cedes to a more worthwhile candidate.
I really don’t think Gaza will be a defining issue in the 2024 election. It’s already fallen out of the news cycle and Gaza city will be under full occupation by next Nov.
Trump, however, will be in the middle of taking a huge beating by all his court cases. There’s zero chance he ever gets more support than what he had last election. The best thing we can hope for is that the GOP puts him up for another election.
Both parties have the same issue right now. Both candidates don’t have great appeal. But there aren’t any Democrats that have an issue voting for Biden. He’s been fine as president. We don’t have to worry about him going off half cocked all the time. The party will fall behind him. The same can’t be said for Trump.
That’s quite the myopic view of US national politics. Biden can’t stop Netanyaho from performing escalatio on Gaza than he can force Macron to limit France’s trade coziness with China, affect the interaction between Pedro Sanchez and Catalan separatists, or require Erdogan to admit Sweden into NATO. He has influence, but he doesn’t hold veto power over a foreign leader.
Agree with that to some extent, But he obviously can denounce BB’s atrocities to say the least. The double standard between Ukraine and Palestine is sickening
Biden can simply stop the money flow and stop yelling WE SUPPIRT ISRAEL NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO!!!
There is no reason to support Israel in anything. There’s no value in it. It isnt even a functioning democracy (and neither are we for that matter).
Can you please explain the “isn’t even a functioning democracy” part? From my understanding it is a democracy, and their latest election got them a minority govt that had to go into coalition against their opposition. What makes it non-functioning?
It has no Constitution and has been punting on serious issues, leading to the entrenchment of the Nuttyahoo coalition.
LoL how many times has Bibi been outted but only for them to realize they had no replacement or structure on how to do anything about it and had to take him back now? What like 3 times now? Great government for the worlds largest museum for Abrahamic religions with guns.
That doesnt sound very functonal
half of the people here can’t qualify Biden’s successes
People are happier running around bitching because it is far easier than taking the trouble to delve into the real news. The MSM is largely responsible for it. Biden has to continue aid to Israel because it is popular. What most people don’t see is his behind the scene work of getting Israel to the table instead of the launch button. Biden has been working through Qatar to get Iran and Hamas to back off, simultaneously rounding up support for a multinational force to enforce a border between Israel and Palestine while possibly establishing a two state solution with international teeth.
That Biden can control Israel’s domestic policies is a false talking point promulgated by corporate media.
The populations of US and Canada have a memory of a frog, the people at large won’t remember a thing unless you blast in on repeat near election time.
Democrats will likely target abortion protection as it is a winning issue and message for them. Republicans might be hesitant to hold on to the Gaza issue for 10 months as it is so divisive and is best exploited when events happen, plus if pressed on what Republicans and some Democrats would do differently you’d get humming, hawing and platitudes.
If I were a US voter (I’m not) I’d try to look past any single event. Trump continuously stirred shit in the US and around the world and spent his time fellating dictators like Putin and Kim Jong Un. His administration focused on separating families at the border, eroding net neutrality, give away money through tax breaks, ample amounts of loans that were forgiven, packing the Supreme court with cronies to twist the meaning of the Constitution. Biden on the other hand put people in charge to hold corporations and anti-competitive monopolies accountable for once, strengthen labour law, did everything in his power to reduce student debt, actually managed the Covid crisis and on and on. He did bung up a few things imo like how he handled the Iraq pullout and the rail strike but those were rough situations that I could at least still put a base amount of trust in him in the future not to fuck up too badly.
I voted for that bowl of tapioca once and I’ll do it again.
I’ll likely vote someone else in the primaries though.
There will not be a primary
This is the problem, DNC is refusing to hold a primary and is hell bent on forcing one of the only dem candidates who can lose to Trump upon us.
This is mostly about Biden’s ego - he thinks his legacy requires 2 terms. But what of his legacy if he loses the election, and democracy, all at the same time?! It’s madness.
Call your reps. Call the whitehouse. Demand a primary be held so this Titanic can avoid that MASSIVE orange iceberg, because it’s dead ahead right now and we’re barreling towards it.
This is the modern tradition. He’s the incumbent. We need to support him. He’s already proven he can beat Trump by a wide margin.
Not sure if sarcasm or?…
Biden barely beat Trump in 2020. It was by 40k votes in 5 swing states, and the latest polling shows Biden down badly in those same states this time around.
Snap out of your delusion
Polls don’t mean dick. Please don’t repeat 2016.
People’s opinions when voting matter, and just cause you don’t want to think about 2016 and think this tiny bubble of influence is enough doesn’t mean it cant happen again. You need to have a plan and embrace reality. Biden is, in fact, in trouble of losing.
He won by 4.5%, seven million votes, and 70 delegates.
And Trump’s base is dying off.
7 million?! This is a tragic misconception. Do you understand how the electoral college works? Trump LOST the popular vote to Hillary, and still won in 2016.
Biden won by a slim margin of 40k votes across 5 key swing states in 2020, all of which polling shows he is now losing to Trump. Polls also show he is down by over 10% nationally, which means he has no chance. He’s an incumbent who has dropped below 40% approval rating nationally…this means he has 0% chance of winning.
Open your eyes. Facts matter.
Trumps base is NOT dying off. They and their kids are saturated with non-stop radical right wing propaganda all day long every day in their trucks, their barns, their shops. The youth are actively courted incessantly.
Would I be a bad person if I said I don’t want to vote for either of the evils, and I’m going to vote for Williamson? Or West? I genuinely feel guilty voting for either side and I hate that feeling.
EDIT: Ok then, I will do the right thing, not for Biden’s sake, or that asshole Drumpf, but for us, the american people who are caught in the middle of this shit. Thanks to everyone who chimed in.
As someone who voted third party in the 2016 election, take it from me that you will feel more guilty if you know your vote could have helped prevent the fascist party from gaining power. The presidency is not the office to try to vote on morals, save that for state and local elections that decide things like state benefits programs, distributions of funds, and public works. The federal government is where you will want to vote for the people who are protecting your right to vote in the first place, and that is done by ensuring that the fascist party can’t get a majority or otherwise control a branch of the government.
If the Supreme Court were made up different, maybe, but ending up with an R president just gives them room to pack more courts and see a whole bunch more rights get removed.
As someone who voted third party in the 2016 election, take it from me that you will feel more guilty if you know your vote could have helped prevent the fascist party from gaining power.
As someone who voted for Clinton in 2016 but also supported Sanders in the primaries, take it from me that Clinton’s supporters blame you no matter who you voted for.
That is true, but I am also proof that their stance was at least partially valid. I voted Bernie in the primary and voted third party against Clinton, and I was definitely not alone.
Again, whether actions are justified or understandable, to me, is not reason to excuse the real impacts that the election results had. It wasn’t helped by the results for Congress, but no one can deny that the US would be in a much better spot now if Clinton had been president, regardless of who was in charge in Congress. I will continue to support leftists in primaries, and especially in my local and state elections, and I continue to do activist and monetary support as much as I am able. But I hate being told that I am abandoning my values simply because I am voting for the highest chance for fewer people to be harmed.
But I hate being told that I am abandoning my values simply because I am voting for the highest chance for fewer people to be harmed.
And I hate being blamed for the loss Clinton worked so hard to earn, despite voting for her. Particularly from the wing of the party that was like “Party Unity My Ass” in 2008. But that’s not gonna make it quit happening.
As someone who voted third party in the 2016 election, take it from me that you will feel more guilty if you know your vote could have helped prevent the fascist party from gaining power.
Anyone who cared strongly enough on an issue to vote third party wouldn’t feel this way.
Really? Because that issue was a combo of actual universal healthcare and climate goals. I voted for the only candidate who had a commitment to those goals. This was before it was revealed that this particular candidate had accepted a whole bunch of money from the RNC to remain in the race.
The result was enough people voted for that candidate that Trump won. The result of his win was that we saw even the half-measures that had been taken on these issues were stripped, setting us back potential decades because of new rules and packed courts who are now going against all precedent and decorum to prevent new leaders from enacting new policies. I voted for a few steps forward instead of half-steps, and got several steps back as a result.
Keep in mind that one of those several steps back was a gutting of voting rights, which is being continued by Trump appointed judges to this day. If you need to be a one-issue voter, vote to keep your right to vote by voting in a way that is most likely to prevent a Trump win. They literally already have a plan on how to remove and bar even more people from voting.
I’ve heard the same old sob story every 4 years my entire life. Liberals were screaming every time and if Trump wins in 24 our democracy will stay the same rigged false democracy that it is. Our only hope for concessions from the Democrats is to force them to gain our votes back by voting for the Green party. Otherwise you will get nothing with neoliberal ghouls you vote for.
If the number of people who died due to benefit cuts, throwing out the pandemic action plan, and direct actions from right wing terrorists who were emboldened by a president who values the speeches and actions of Hitler aren’t enough to convince you of how much worse Trump was versus lib Dems, then you are missing the point of the values you claim to have. I support the values I do because they uphold human rights and save lives. What good are those values if my actions lead to the death and dehumanization of thousands, when another choice would have likely saved them?
If the number of people who died due to benefit cuts
You mean the Trump tax cuts Biden chose to keep? Or the child tax credit he let expire? Those right wingers are a minority and we need a strong left to oppose them, voting for center right Dems are not the way to fight back. If anything that only helps the right by not undoing their policy.
Nice cherry picking of two examples without sources, while completely ignoring all of the other things Biden did repeal. It also ignores the fact that those things were replaced with better projects that were less susceptible to repeals by future presidents.
Again, I am not saying to vote for all Dems across the board, just not in the Presidential election. I vote third party in my home state for state and local elections because my state (solid blue) is set up in a way that allows for a candidate presented by the third party to run as a Dem as well, allowing people to vote effectively for a party line that makes it clear what actions we want taken while not risking a regressive candidate being elected by a split vote. There are also several blue states that are enacting ranked choice voting, which is also being supported by even most moderate Dems.
Wanting to? No. Actually doing…it’s a little more nuanced for me.
I think that, unless you have reason to believe (beyond just desire to believe) that a 3rd party candidate has a chance to win the general election but you vote for them anyway, yes…you’re a (mildly) bad person.
What do I mean by “has a chance?” Are they on the ballot in enough places to conceivably win the electoral college? Are they polling beyond the single digits anywhere? Do they have enough money to get unengaged voters to at least recognize their name on the ballot?
If you’re deliberately casting a vote for a candidate that can’t win in a two-party system during. normal (meaning there is no extreme candidate running for either party) election, then you are de facto voting for the incumbent (if there is one) as incumbents generally win. I think most rational people would agree that this is (once again), not a normal election. I hesitate to even use the word “normal” because I don’t know if I’ll even get to vote in another normal election. Im 40 to give you an idea of where i think we are right now.
In a normal election, you have 2 viable, good faith candidates. Folks who know enough to be competent and are generally in step with the majority of citizens regatding the soul of our country. Yes, there’s policy differences, and those differences can have HUGE impacts on folks’ well-being…but its not on the level of things like dissolving alliances (as a right-wing example) or nationalizing industries (as a left-wing example). Who do I think have been normal presidents? I’d say Bush Sr. and Clinton were pretty “normal” presidents. They both made mistakes, but nothing on the level of changing a national identity. Bush Jr., I think, would have been a normal president in normal times, but he was vastly ill-equipped for the circumstances of his time in power. His incompetence/dereliction (whatever you want to call it) scarred the soul of this nation. Obama was more normal…again, lots I didn’t agree with there, and some huge accomplishments, but on a policy front, pretty normal. Biden is pretty normal. Trump is not. Of every president in my memory, I can not remember a single one who thought of the office of president solely as a means for personal enrichment. The man has no capacity for empathy or understanding and no desire to try and learn either. He is the only president who didn’t appear to age a decade in their first term because of the weight of the responsibility of the office because he is the only one who never took the job seriously.
Voting for Biden is going to feel unpleasant this year, for sure. But if Biden wins, I have 0 concern about whether there’ll be elections at all in 2028. I don’t think Trump is likely to destroy American democracy, but i don’t think it’s a non-zero value either. The folks backing him learned a lot about what works and what doesn’t…where the seams in our systems are… and they’re telling us how they plan to exploit those seams if he wins to avoid anyone gumming up the fascism machine next time.
My problem is that since the first time I’ve been able to vote, the Democratic party has shown they don’t care about who the people may want. They will actively suppress whoever isn’t their chosen one. And there are cases where they fund ads for their crazy opposition instead of building a meaningful case for their candidate. I voted for Biden originally, and I will not vote for Trump now, but I need more than “vote for me because I’m not the other guy”, especially the second time around. If Trump wins, it’s because the Democratic party shot themselves in the foot. Party cohesion is made by leaders who listen to their constituents.
A question to American Lemmy users: from what I can tell you are Democrats for the vast majority : would you consider voting for a Republican president if you aligned with his ideas, or if the Democrat candidate was an unredeemable piece of shit? The two party system makes zero sense to me because it doesn’t seem, at first glance, that they’re a huge overlap, people are not willing to go to the other side often, it seems. … what’s the point of having debates and stuff then?
Well past time for one of those historical shifts to a third party.
So sad that after so many failings, they still cannot learn! Do what’s right, not what’s personally profitable, you scumbags.
Do you want trump? This is how we get trump.
If you support biden, you are the scum bag.
Billions for bombs on Palestine, zero money for student loans.
I will never forget. And I will never vote blue again.
zero money for student loans.
I will never forget.
Bruh you already forgot lmao
Through making changes to programs, after SCOTUS rejected his larger plan, $127B in loans has been forgiven.
This brought zero relief to me. So thanks biden for nothing. Nice gotcha tho.
Ah yes, because as we all know, the only thing that matters about politicians is their direct effect on Discoslug’s personal well-being, other people be damned…
other people be damned…
I guess your not including Palestinianz as people?
Pretty on point for a genocide supporter.
How about women then? Because guess who isn’t trying to end reproductive rights? One guess.
This isn’t even on the national level. We just voted here in Ohio to enshrine them into the state constitution, and wouldn’t you know it, the state legislature immediately responded by openly expressing their intent not to abide by the will of the people. Who makes up the majority (~70%) of the legislature here? Again, one guess.
By the way, I also had a choice on the ballot for who is on the board of education. One was a right-winger. The other was… also a right-winger, and an avowed member of Moms For Liberty. Maybe anyone on the left who was qualified for the position thinks like you, that nothing important gets done at the local level. [I voted for neither because, unlike you, I literally had no choice, it was a one-party vote] So now we have two more people on the school board who can and will work to ensure that kids learn the virtues of slavery, “traditional” family roles at the exclusion of all others, the nonexistence of people who are not 100% straight, and so on. But I’m sure that you’re cool with that because none of this pertains to genocide, the
most importantone solitary issue that matters in our lives. Guess we should stop caring about all that.If someday my daughter is consigned to be a brood mare in the Dominionist Theocracy of America, don’t expect me to salute you because you “don’t support genocide”, you fucking hero.
This has nothing to do with your previous point, I’m just saying that it’s ridiculous to judge a politician’s performance based on how you personally as an individual benefitted from their policies. Like, we can take the labor wins, and the child tax credit, and the infrastructure bill, and appreciate that even though some of us didn’t directly benefit from these it’s better for society overall.
Pretty on point for a genocide supporter
I didn’t mention the conflict at all, where did you get this from? Would you like to be an adult and maybe ask what my position is before making such a bold assertion that has nothing to do with my previous statement? You’re too mad to see the forest for the trees, dude.
This guy has no other arguments. They appear to have just one problem personally affecting them, which is student loan debt; otherwise, they’re fortunate enough to be able to care about one other issue and no more than that. That’s why they’re okay with the possibility of Trump winning because none of his policies will otherwise directly affect them. Must be a charmed life.
Billions for bombs on Palestine
And that’s wrong. But it’s better than a Trump presidency giving x10 the amount.
zero money for student loans.
It wasn’t zero. Biden was still able to get some borrowers off the hook, just not as sweeping as necessary.
And you’re ignoring SCOTUS’s part of this.
And I will never vote blue again.
Which is the exact type of decision that will lead us to another round of election lies, social safety net destruction, defunding of education, and corruption.
I’d rather haven Biden than live in Gilead.
Biden cuts a check for genocide
Dem voter: better than trump, better than trump, better than trump, better than trump.
You should get this tattooed on you.
And you’re ignoring SCOTUS’s part of this.
No I’m including the flaws in the supreme court as apart of a large flawed structure that you insist I buy into and support.
It wasn’t zero. Biden …
I saw exactly zero money for student loans from biden, so that’s how many votes he will get from me.
Biden cuts a check for genocide
Bringing this up again and again doesn’t help your argument when I’ve already addressed it.
Dem voter: better than trump, better than trump, better than trump, better than trump.
Have you run out of arguments, leaving you with mocking as your last resort? Or do you have an actual argument here.
I saw exactly zero money for student loans from biden, so that’s how many votes he will get from me.
For you it was zero but it wasn’t zero as a whole like you’re trying to pretend.
For you it was zero but it wasn’t zero as a whole like you’re trying to pretend.
Biden ran on debt cancellation, not a debt forgiveness of loams already eligable for debt relief.
This did nothing for me and thus I will give biden nothing.
Or do you have an actual argument here.
Do you? Your only argument is better than trump.
You deserved to be mocked, your playing into the same lesser of Two evils logic they were using with George W bush.
Biden ran on debt cancellation, not a debt forgiveness of loams already eligable for debt relief.
This did nothing for me and thus I will give biden nothing.
You said it was zero but it wasn’t.
Do you? Your only argument is better than trump.
On basically ever single issues Biden is better than Trump I’m at least some way. That’s about as good as it can get in our two party system.
You deserved to be mocked, your playing into the same lesser of Two evils logic they were using with George W bush.
You’re just using ad hominems. And it shows how dogshit your arguments are.
You said it was zero but it wasn’t It was zero for me, and everybody I have ever met.
On basically ever single issues Biden is better than Trump I’m at least some way.
And yet everything still sux.
You: Would you like to eat dog shit or chicken shit. ?
Me : I don’t want to eat any shit.
You: you must choose chicken shit or we will have to eat dog shit every day!!!
Me: What if we found something other than shit to eat?
You: better than dog shit! better than dog shit! better than dog shit!
unfortunately for us and the world:
Do you want trump?
Roughly half of voters: YES
If you want to prepare, watch The Handmaid’s Tale. Probably less entertaining when it’s real life.
Exactly, the best thing Democrats or anti-Trump voters can do right now is blame the party for it’s own failings rather than shame the left voters they need who are on the correct side of every issue. I view that as more a confession than anything. Too often this turns in to “oh you care about ____, well that’s how we get Trump, get off your high horse and live in reality.” Well now that blank is genocide, so they can’t say this and save face anymore. Even though the US is always supporting this type of foreign policy, and you can rant about it all day if you’re on the left while they shame you for caring, you’re only taken seriously by Democrat voters when it’s not able to be brushed under the rug as a minor issue.
Just think about how this is framed, “damn, this genocide is really bad for… Biden’s polling.” If that’s the main concern of someone’s here then you’ve already lost.
Task: literally impossible.
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Bro I literally just want Bernie.
Biden could have done what’s best for the country and been a one term president. I’ll still vote for him but not because he’s some amazing leader or anything.
So they did it to themselves if they lose.
I see that point of view. Out of curiosity, though, do you think there’s an obvious next in line on the bench? The only person I can think of as a no brainer for electability is Michelle Obama.
Edit: I’m confused as to why my comment has been so controversial. I think it’s because people are misreading my claim. I am saying that Michelle Obama is obviously one of the most electable alternatives to Biden. The polling corroborates this. She is well liked and has 100% name recognition. Seriously, even if you hate her, as an objective empirical fact, she is obviously one of the top contenders for electability.
I am not claiming that she is likely to run or that she wants to run, etc.
Tats a really hard question. I guess Newsom or Whitmer if we’re talking politicians that seem to be up and coming. But I can think of many other candidates that I would like to see take the position even if they aren’t as electable. Tammy Baldwin, Mark Kelly, he’ll even Adam Schiff, even though he couldn’t win in the general.
Biden is fine but he looks and sounds horrible quite a bit of the time. There is nothing exciting about his policies and I feel he has way too much baggage.
Gavin would probably be the best pick. But if we’re making up scenarios, hell put Tom Hanks in there or Jon Stewart like that other commenter said.
Really I’ll always be bummed about not having Bernie but that ship sailed as well.
I’m not a super leftist, more of a left leaning no centrist. Still reason, passion, radical change for what a leader could and should be like really get me fired up. The policies are important but we all know that the president is a figurehead as much as it’s a powerful position. I’d rather see someone call the citizens of the country together and be a fighter for even the same type of incremental changes that Biden professes to embrace and maybe have a signature mission.
I do feel that his administration is chock full of smart and professional people. As a leader and a figure he’s just old and gross. Haha.
As other commenters have pointed out, anyone but a conservative would be fine. They all fuckin suck with their evangelical positioning and horrible policies. Trump being the nastiest of the pile.
She does not want to hold public office. As you may recall she wasn’t treated very well.
I’m really hoping Gretchen Whitmer runs in 28 but for this cycle it would probably be Newsome. Sherrod Brown would be great but he is the only person in Ohio that could keep that senate seat blue. Manchin probably runs off Biden isn’t there. Harris and buttigieg are"in line"but personally I can’t stand either.
How do you get MO as a no-brainer? I have never seen any indication at all that she ever wanted the job, and I dont understand why voters are trying to ship her with the office like she’s a CW tv show character.
Oh is that why my comment is so controversial? I specifically said for electability, not on whether she wants the job. The polling corroborates this. She is objectively one of the most well liked political figures in the US today. Note, again, I am NOT claiming she is therefore likely to run.
Most well-liked by Democrat voters
The fascists still insist that she is a trans dude.
Sure, due to increasing partisanship there is literally no candidate that is universally well-liked by both sides. But you don’t need to convince everyone to win an election. Michelle Obama does better on polling than (almost?) any other candidate.
Do you think, that maybe, if Biden had chosen to support another candidate, all those “Blue No Matter Who” types would dog pile people not supporting that candidate?
they’ve had four years to figure that out. That they can’t… is either a sign of gross incompetence or of intentionality. either way, at a certain point, you need to stop and realize the way it’s not worked for 30+ years is… not working and maybe it’s time to change things up a bit.
Do you think, that maybe, if Biden had chosen to support another candidate, all those “Blue No Matter Who” types would dog pile people not supporting that candidate?
It depends on how far to the right the candidate is. Get far enough to the left, and they start bein’ like “Party Unity My Ass” and start forming PACs to get Republicans elected
EDIT: I see centrists don’t like being reminded of their proudest moment: trying to get McCain/Palin elected because they didn’t get their first choice in the '08 primaries.
I mean, you’re not entirely wrong for sure. I’m gonna upvote because it’s a really good point, worth thinking about. But I do disagree, somewhat. Trump isn’t McCain. The majority of D voters are looking for someone more left, and the ones who aren’t, are definitely driven by beating Trump. It’s the party leadership that is mostly a problem here. If Biden went rogue and endorsed a leftist, which he wouldn’t do, the DCCC Democrats would be desperately scrambling to undermine that candidate, any way they could, even at the expense of losing to Trump. But that’s also, I think, kind of aside from Ensign Crab’s point, as if Biden had chosen to support another candidate, it would not be a leftist.
It wouldn’t have to be a leftist. Obama wasn’t, and the same people who now scream “no matter who” were screaming “party unity my ass” and raising money to legitimize Sarah Palin at the time.
At the beginning of his term, I’d have said they were lining up Harris; black, woman, young, and they made her highly visible in the first few months. I thought for sure they were going to spend 4 years lining her up for 2024. Biden would gracefully bow out citing his age, ride the 1/2 term election cycle, and badaboom: first female president.
And then she faded away. I don’t know what happened; she didn’t poll well, or do well, or polling showed D chances sank without an old white guy in front… but it makes me kinda sad, because I thought it was a good strategy, and it’d be nice to have a run of diversity in the White House.
Kamala is just not good for anybody. She has a bad record of imprisoning people with similar skin tones to hers for victimless crimes and not much of substance to offer. The Diversity Hire excuse is not good enough for the office of President, there should be some good content of character within the person at least.
She was the least (or very close to it) popular candidate in the primary and people are surprised she didn’t get more popular? She is very much the definition of diversity hire, what she is checks all the boxes, what she’s done is massively unpopular to the majority of democrat voters.
I swear it’s like she freaked out at the idea of the attention and just faded out of existence. It’s so annoying cause she crushed people to get where she is and does nothing to make good use of it
They made her visible with shit no-win issues. She was put on securing voting rights, fixing the border, and recently solving gun violence. Meanwhile the big spend-money bill passes and she’s no where to be seen. I also thought the intention was for her to inherit from Biden, but then they kind of just screwed her over and over.
I don’t know, I think the situation is more nuisanced. I didn’t vote for Biden in the primaries (I did in the general), but I have to admit he’s accomplished a lot more than I anticipated he would. At the time I just wanted a president who wasn’t a complete train wreck.
I’d be all in if he was younger, but even so, I’m not sure what the best option is. If Biden stepped aside, I’m not sure the Democrats’ ability to win in 2024 would go up. Incumbents have an advantage for sure, and there isn’t an obvious choice to replace him. The most important thing at this point is that Trump doesn’t win. Whatever situation maximizes the chance of him losing is good with me.
the aituation is more nuisanced
You got that right!
What a short sighted view. Had he came in guns blazing we would have never heard the end of it from Republicans. Dudes done quite a lot without giving the Republicans much ammo.
I agree, Newsome would have been a good candidate. Hell there are half a dozen good candidates that are half Bidens age. If Dems loose, I agree they did it to themselves by letting Biden run again.
Newsom is too Cali.
I don’t totally disagree, but he’s a straight white man who is really wonky/can dive into the weeds of legislation and is affable. He has a potentially broad appeal with the coasts and Midwest.
When their entire campaign was based on ‘we are not Trump’ then turned out they were exactly like Trump and his policies, they deserve to lose.
Demonstrate how they are exactly like Trump.
- Kept the trump tax cuts
- Same immigration policies
- dumping billions into war machine
- kept Trump’s tariffs
- DeJoy still running USPS, and nominated board of governors keeping him
- hasn’t done shit for wages or healthcare
- Net neutrality still fucked up
- Same foreign policy
- Debt through the roof
- Bidenomics is killing us
- healthcare still out of reach
- kicked millions off Medicaid
- cut billions from SNAP
- double child poverty
- etc etc etc
lol fuck outta here
WARNING. This person is being disingenuous and is arguing in bad faith.
Their purpose here is to get you to engage so they have more space to spread their propaganda. Don’t fall for it.
Appreciate ya posting this
No bad faith here, liberals turn a kind eye to genocide and continuing most of trumps horrible policies
I’m with you, a vote for Joe Biden is a vote for genocide.
heh. You’re not wrong. but, eh, you just engaged… :)
This is the best summary I could come up with:
And while he’s downplayed the role his advanced age could have on his ability to lead, polling’s revealed that more than three-fourths of US adults think he’s simply too old for another four years in the White House.
The publication said that some of those around the president have advocated for him to walk shorter distances and ditch his dress shoes for more comfortable ones, sometimes sneakers, to lower the risk of him falling.
A poll released in early November by the New York Times and Siena College also showed Trump leading the Democratic president in five of six battleground states.
If he can regain the trust and support of his 2020 electorate, especially the young voters who voted for him in droves but hate how he’s handled the conflict in the Middle East, he’s got more than a fair shot at winning reelection.
Additionally, Trump, the party’s leading candidate by a wide margin, is currently fighting a mountain of legal battles after getting charged with 91 felonies by grand juries across the country throughout 2023.
The Supreme Court’s decision in 2022 to overturn decades of precedent for abortion access has also led to Democratic voters turning out in record numbers, especially when abortion-related referendums are on the ballot like in Ohio and Kansas.
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i wonder sometimes what it would be like to cut my intestines with a pair of scissors
To who? The convicted felon? Or maybe it’s that Florida governor who is pissed off the largest Media company in the world?
Oo I’m so scared!!!
GTFO. Democrats losing the white house and the senate in 2024 is a fuck around and find out moment.
Americans. We’ve been fucking around for a very long time.
Man, they intentionally picked the most frail looking photo of Biden they could find, didn’t they?
Wait… Are you talking about the image at the top where he’s got his fingers on his chin?
How does that look frail? Lol. The dude looks healthy, he’s not pallor, his eyes aren’t glazed over, he’s just old lmfao.
MF looks like they shaved one of the old Muppets.
His skin and hair make him look like a rest home resident, not the White House resident.
That’s what 80 looks like. Throw in a spray tan and toupee and you get Trump.
Come on buddy you know how this works
Does anyone not think that?
Wait you can lose elections? Shit …
I don’t think about this ever. I’m literally waiting for one of those two worthless parties to die.
Oh, it’s both parties are the same so I’ll do nothing guy!
The Democratic party leadership doesn’t seem to understand it
The people who think fascism could never come here, I guess?
The people who think now is the time to make a moral stand by voting 3p
Every time is the time to vote for what you support. If you did we wouldn’t be stuck with neoliberal ghouls like Biden.
You are absolutely correct, instead you’d have the literal fascist Trump instead. It sucks, but as lang as you guys have the first-past-the-post (2 party) voting system, voting for the lesser evil is the best one can do.
The only way to change that is to vote for candidates that support other voting systems like ranked choice voting.
Those people should probably take a look at the Nazi march that went down in Wisconsin yesterday if they think it’s not or can’t happen in the US.
A shocking amount of news never makes it out.
