DDG proxy here I come
I am waiting for Cross Messenger Law of Europe it means that Signal and Whatsapp User can talk to each other.
If Whatsapp really wants to scare away there Users many are gonna switch because of the Email old persons have EMails but no clue how to use it.
Its easier to install another Messenger than EMail Verifikation.
I think Signal is against that because it compromises their security model. Also I think they aren’t required by law to implement it but I’m not sure.
Hahaha fuck off
LMAO yeah, how dare they provide an alternative way to log into your account if you lost your phone 😂😂
What? They don’t suport a username+password login?
No. Only phone number. The password is sent by SMS on every login.
great. I always wanted to receive passwords via sms
/s
It’s not a password it’s a one time code to confirm you have access to the phone number.
Still bad. TOTP is better than that.
Like I said, the goal is to verify access to the phone number, because that’s the main account identification.
TOTP is not related to the phone number in any way.
I hate apps and services doing that.
watsapp, fellow kidz?!
You mean instead of tying into a phone, right ?
The only point in time my lack of a phone number becomes an issue is for archaic stuff like this.
This sounds like what Element has been doing for years already. You can sign up with an email and optionally link a phone number to your account. When WhatsApp does it though, it’s newsworthy.
WhatsApp: “you can now use email to access your account if you can’t use your phone for some reason”
This community: “REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE”
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The problem is that they’re reaching for emails in addition to phone numbers. Don’t think for a second they’re going to let you login with just email. They want email just to have yet another data metric to profile you with.
- using an insecure medium like email to facillitate access to e2eencrypted messages. 1) you cant do that with Signal
People acting like a phone number isn’t 100x more personally identifiable than email are delusional. I have like 700 unique emails atm, and can create a new one within seconds. I only have a few numbers.
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In the realm of “business WhatsApp Web,” this advancement could signal a heightened focus on providing secure and reliable communication tools for enterprises. Businesses often leverage WhatsApp Web for efficient communication, and the introduction of email verification could be a proactive measure to address the unique security needs of corporate users.
Maybe they need it to link WA accounts to FB accounts.
Signal FTW.
Signal
Which wants a phone #.
They are working on doing away with the requirement
As far as I know, it would still be needed at registration, just would give you an option to hide it and thus it would stop being your main identifier.
I know Signal is technically better but Telegram provides a much better user experience than Signal or WhatsApp and is also less problematic than WhatsApp.
You need to explicate the hell out of this cuz I vehemently disagree and point out, in terms of user experience its dogshit for me (but also implicitly that Telegram is conveniently insecure by default and even if you “encrypt”, ifs a non-documented public slop version of messaging encryption [novel + security by obscurity]
Consequently, I would never be comfortable trusting it
What do you want expectorated, why IMO Telegram is less problematic than WhatsApp or why the UI is way better than Telegram or Signal? Cause they’re very different things.
Expectoration is more about coughing up phlegm so not sure how toaddress that quite yet ;) Tell me more :)
I was just kinda poking fun at your choice of word haha explicate is exactly the right word but it’s not really a common word to use.
To be fair, I’m a bit of a—lets say rare bird, 🤠
The problem with telegram is that it’s not even e2e encrypted by default.
But the ui is really nice. I wonder why no other project simply forked telegram’s client and focused on the encryption and server side code
Yep.
Telegram is a decent middle ground. UI/UX matters, I’m not sure how the folks at Signal are completely missing that point.
The Signal UI is OK, as a competitor to SMS. But it’s terrible compared to Telegram. This matters to non-technical people, it’s how you get them to use it. Plus the seamless connection between devices - that’s crucial. I can chat using whatever device is in front of me.
Just out of curiosity, since I am fine with the Signal UI/UX: what would you say are the top features that make Telegram better?
I’m not OP, but I’ve switched to Telegram a while back because I loved the silent message option. Scheduled are also awesome, and recently added quote part of reply is very neat.
This is all UX, the UI is sleek but nothing too extraordinary for me.Telegram has some clumsiness in it’s UX too, which I find annoying (attaching a pic on Android, for example).
I’m usually pretty indifferent to UI so long as UX makes sense. But even I feel the difference between Signal and Telegram, so much so that I have friends on both and we use Telegram instead of Signal.
That to me is pretty telling - we know better, we promote Signal to other people, and would still rather use Telegram because of UI/UX.
I’m guessing you’ve never seen Telegram? It looks like a modern messaging system.
This is a screenshot: https://dribbble.com/shots/12242096-Telegram-Messenger-Free-Download
While Signal looks like any generic SMS app. Heck, both NextSMS and Textra look as good/better and have more “features” (interface customization).
As a technical person who cares more about functionality that stuff doesn’t matter much to me, but it’s easy to see how a typical user would perceive them (and honestly, the difference is so great it even affects me).
Signal looks dated, like SMS, Telegram looks (and behaves) modern.
That doesn’t appear to be a screenshot of Telegram, but of a designer’s portfolio piece example redesign of Telegram.
It doesn’t look anything like Telegram for Android, though a quick look at real screenshots suggests it’s more similar to Telegram for iOS.
Considering Telegram has partnered with Tencent, I wouldn’t say it’s less problematic.
My understanding is that Telegram is partnered with a non profit crypto group, and that group is partnered with like 20 different companies that validate transactions, one of which is Tencent.
Granted I only read a couple articles on it in the last five minutes cause this was the first I heard of it, there could be more to the story I missed.
Meta acct
The boomers who are using zuckerapp do have emails. It will work out fine 😁
WhatsApp isn’t only for boomers. Pretty much everyone with a smartphone uses it.
Never met an it-pro using that thing. And beside some boomers and younger technically challenged, i have never seen one using it. To each his own. People actually use facebook too. Or even twi… Errr. X.
In Europe it’s used by almost everyone.
I’m also in Europe. And for me it’s as i said. Wouldn’t even know one reason FOR whatsapp besides the popularity.
Yeah, that’s small little thing, that everyone uses it. I’ve been waiting to get away from WhatsApp for years, but I would be an idiot to say that I can get away from it and still communicate with my family and friends via text.
If everyone would think this way, all other messengers would be extinct and Zuckerberg would rule over everyones most personal data. And then, oh wonder, it suddenly has a subscription-cost too.
Not for me. If people are so stubborn to use it, they gotta go back to email or sms if they really wanna reach me. I don’t use that crap, nor facebook or twitter or instagram or tiktok or…
IT Pro here. I use it. WhatsApp was around way before Zuckerberg was involved with it.
I’m all for getting away from WhatsApp but at this point it’s well ingrained with the general population. I’d love to see RCS take over.
It is extremely widespread in Europe. In Germany, a good 50 million people (out of 80) use it every day. I would describe myself as very tech-savvy and privacy-conscious and would normally never use it , but since everyone in the family and friends use it without exception, there is no escape.
Same here (South America). You can not use it yourself but it will mostly keep you out of the loop on everything. Most of the phone companies don’t charge you whatsapp message data just to make it more inescapable.
How is that even a thing? are your data-plans that shitty that this bit of whatsapp-traffic matters? Unless you’re sending some hour-long movies every days.
Depends on the country, in mine data plans are not that expensive (add some asterisks to that). But they include those “whatsapp free” or some streaming service traffic with no cost to get the edge over other phone companies. All of them mostly have the whatsapp free thing.
I used to live in a different country and it did make a significant difference, as @[email protected] points out below.
You mean the WA-traffic made a significant difference? But how? It’s still mostly just text, no?
Here data is expensive, but a messenger wouldn’t make a difference (unless you’d exchange a lot of large files) so that any provider would gain a benefit over the competition. Including TV or netflix or tidal hifi, that’d would. Weird…
Data plans exists, but there is no good middle ground. You have the unlimited 4g connection for 20 USD , or the WhatsApp only for a few dollars.
Most of the people, specially older age or people who already have unlimited data from work phones, do not need 4g unlimited connection, so why spend extra 15 USD (which is a lot in latin America), if you can still communicate perfectly fine via WhatsApp.
I’m german too, and I just deny using a tool just because “everyone else does it”. Those who use it and want to contact me, have bad luck or just use a decent messenger. This “there-is-no-escape”-mentality helps that shitty company to keep its grasp on people. I try to educate and offer alternatives. If it’s not accepted, then at least I tried.
Nah man, I value way more the contact with my mum and close friends than refusing to use an stupid app.
If my mum is in trouble and try to message me via WhatsApp: “sorry mum, I don’t answer WhatsApp messages, good luck next time trying to get someone to help you”. Nah man, that’s so shitty.
So. They can choose the app, but you mustn’t? That’s a weird reasoning imho.
You know, there’s still a thing like sms or email if they really have to and ignore my simple wishes.
Yeah, they do, that’s what living in a society is, not everyone does as you want, and you have to compromise.I have my own choices (in other aspects) which they probably have to live with. But I’m not going to ghost my mum (and close family) just because she uses WhatsApp, that’s plain entitlement and immaturity.
I can’t contact my mum via msm (not the same country), and are you seriously suggesting email over chat messages? They serve two different purposes.
You have never been to South America.
Sadly no. But would not change my stance anyway 😊
People who use edge maybe.
No, just everyone in Europe and South America and India.
And almost everyone in Central America and Mexico and 45% of Canadians and high 90% range for most of Africa. So like, everyone but the USA, China, Japan, and Russia.
In Russia it is VERY widespread actually, at least with the older generation. But Telegram is probably more prevalent among younger people.
Telegram won’t bow to countries. Russians know that Pavel had to emigrate due to that. WhatsApp surely complies to all russian inquiries :-)
In Europe, it’s so common that it is a requirement for some parts of society.
At least edge is a better browser than whatsapp a messenger :-)
just barely, they are pretty close in their bullshit levels.
