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Anyone paying for reddit premium has to just be the biggest sucker. Then again I don’t understand anyone paying for a similar privilege on twitch either. Batshit insanity.
Ah it’s a tight race with the Twitter blue check mark
I pay for twitch turbo because I watch twitch for hours upon hours and keeping up with the latest ad block for twitch is more effort than it’s worth to me. Especially when on devices where ad block is more challenging.
I read this and was like that is a good idea, I watch an okay amount of Twitch and the adblock arms race is getting exhausting. I look it up, $12 a month???
I’m still grandfathered in at $8 for a few more months, at which point I will re-evaluate
I don’t get it. What’s challenging? uBlock Origin plugin installation? I watch twitch only to get warframe item drops, but i recently switched to twitch miner instead, but when i was watching the devstream(s) from time to time there were no ADs. So don’t get me wrong but the effort is almost non-existent.
It is not as simple as install uBlock Origin. I have uBlock, it is very easy to install a plugin.
However, every other day the current ad block solution stops working for twitch and you need to install multiple plugins (uBlock, TTV LOL), modify your ublock, or use alternate twitch UI which has no features, and since it changes so frequently I need to manually keep up to date with the changes on github for multiple plugins and scripts. Not to mention none of that works on mobile when you’re away from home, I use Pi Hole and it doesn’t block twitch ads. The ad block doesn’t work on chromecast or other devices.
Their ads are super aggressive, it is literally impossible to surf the website with ads. Every time you switch streams you’re served an ad which makes it very difficult to find people to watch or to follow multiple perspectives (I mainly watch RP).
For a few bucks a month I don’t have to deal with it and I watch Twitch more than any other streaming platform or social media, so to me it is worth the ease and consistency of use by just having turbo. The only two subscriptions I have are YouTube Premium and Twitch Turbo because I don’t get ads and I don’t have to deal with blocking them.
A service that so aggressively disrespects their free users is not a service I’d ever give my money to.
You’re not necessarily wrong, but the people who create the content I enjoy are on Twitch, so to me it is worth it. Everybody values things differently
Ok so this is just desperate right? Like chasing 3rd party devs off could theoretically force more people to use their app, the reddit gold thing could be them paving the way to put in something more abusive. But this? Hoping to annoy your users to the point that they’ll pay you a ransom to make you stop? How is this anything other than embarrassingly desperate?
I agree, it seems like they’re doing everything they can to force users into the mindset of “you’re going to have to spend money here.”
However… I don’t think that’s going to work. It’s a tactic that relies solely on Apple not allowing the user to customize their icons, which combines into a double whammy of “give me money to fix the thing that I broke.”
Why do I have to pay when Android users don’t?
Why is Reddit being greedy?
This other site is free and doesn’t make me feel like I’m being taken advantage of every turn.
Reddit is trying to capitalize on goodwill they already spent months ago. And the quality of the site is just going to get worse from here.
I think it’s actually an ad for /r/place, which is kinda like when your ex tries reminding you of all the good times you once had in an effort to win you back.
And then you go lie and say “Yeah sure, I’ll come back”, wait for them to leave the house to get some groceries, and then go douse the whole place in gasoline before lighting the match and leaving.
This is my prediction for this year’s r/place
Quick question… Using the jerboa app, if I click a link… What happens if I accept cookies?
With RIF I knew they wouldn’t be saved.
What’s the situation for me now?
I don’t know but what I do know is without sending cookies, the server won’t know it’s you. If you login to reddit on the app, cookies are saved so you can login again the next time you load the app.
They probably meant the in-app browser for browsing external links from Reddit.
Ok so if application xyz has a browser, assuming that browser isn’t just an embedded copy of a system browser (something that I am not sure is possible with android or ios development, i am just a web dev), it won’t know your reddit cookies unless you gave it. Or, more correctly, it may save your cookies for every site you visit, but that’s just normal browser behavior. If you visit reddit, your cookies are saved but if you didn’t login the cookies just identify you as a unique but otherwise unknown user. If you login, then your cookies are saved if you load up the in-app browser again and find that you are still logged into reddit.
The only time where you could expect to be logged into reddit already via an in-app browser which you didn’t log in with previously is if that in-app browser is just an embedded system web browser where you are logged in.
Nope, still not what they’re talking about. They’re saying, if you follow a post link to, say, www.example.com, and the app you’re using shows you the page in app (usually using system default browser) rather than taking you out to your browser app. The question is, if example.com asks for permission to use cookies will they stay in your browser or will they be cleared when you leave the page or close the app.
The browser stores the cookies, so if it is a system browser then the system browser stores the cookies even if embedded in the app. It also means that the app isn’t likely aware of those cookies as it’s part of a separate app.
Also, generally speaking, few developers want to build their own browser. It is far easier to just ask the OS to put a browser in a space provided by the app, than to build a browser that works well to be used on the greater internet and the actual app itself. I say this because “the browser stores the cookies” so if app xyz doesn’t use a system browser then app xyz is the browser. Like, any app can ask you for your reddit username and password, store that, make HTTP calls that login with your username and password, parse the HTML it gets from reddit, and report it back to you. This is essentially how lemmy apps work at a high level with one big difference: these apps and the server are both aware of each other, which is the same sort of situation where a company like google or reddit gives API access as a sort of contract between how the apps and servers with better security and full consent of all involved.
Basically if you see reddit apps pop up which don’t use the official API, you should be wary. Doubtful they would make it onto the app stores but it’s always possible. It doesn’t mean they are nefarious, just that they could be.
The good news is it’s pretty easy to tell what you are using.
Logged into example.com somewhere on your device, then you open a freshly installed app, click a link to example.com and you are already logged in? System browser.
Logged into example.com somewhere on your device, then you open a freshly installed app, click a link to example.com and you aren’t logged in? This could be another browser if you have more than one installed on your device. So the ask… does it look and function like shit? This isn’t a great test but again, building a browser that actually renders html css and js is difficult, so it’s likely to not work or look very well if it’s something built with the purpose of stealing data specifically.
Holy fucking shit, spez is really pulling out all the stops isn’t he? Fuck that guy.
Just more subscription hell. It’s ridiculous anymore. I’ll need a subscription to flush my toilet at some point. I mean how much of this are consumers willing to put up with. Anyway Reddit is well on the path of monetizing themselves to irrelevance.
I mean you technically already do pay a subscription to flush your toilet by paying a water bill, just you get a lot more benefits
It’s more of an a la carte situation but ya
I’ll need a subscription to flush my toilet at some point.
It’s called a water bill. You pay it monthly, even if you don’t use any water!
I’m sure you get my point. Yes you have to pay the water bill to flush the toilet. There’s lots of other “subscriptions” for utilities like power, garbage collection, sewer. We call those bills not subscriptions and they’ve been around as long as modern society. I think we can take those for granted. Not in the same league as the subscription hell we’re seeing for online services these days.
To that point you already pay for internet in the same way you pay for water. Paying for a specific website is like paying to use a toilet.
Analogy stands.
Idk, I pay for my utilities based on usage, and there are fees too. The fees maybe could be argued are subscriptions, but they’re not the majority of the bill
I’m from NL… Would be better if there was a subscription to use toilets instead of paying 50c or more every time. Always have to carry coins around just incase you need to pee. Super annoying.
I forgot that in some countries toilets aren’t free to use. That’s wild!
There’s an app actually in NL to find toilets, and it tells you their condition and the cost, open times, etc.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nu.hogenood
And if you have IBS, you can get a yearly toilet pass (EuroKey)… That gives you quicker? And one time cost access to toilets.
Wild shit honestly.
I know the US is hella behind in payment technologies, but can you tap your phone in NL to pay for toilets? I haven’t carried cash for 15+ years in Canada. If so, I honestly like that system. At least I wouldn’t encounter a group of homeless people shooting up in the timmies bathroom at 8pm.
You’d think so right, and everything else here is super tap to pay oriented… Most toilets aren’t though, maybe the ones at the train station, but that’s a whole other kettle of fish. You pay for that, then they give you a voucher back to go use at a store in the station. Nobody uses them, so it’s just extra overpriced and hella dirty.
Honestly it’s a scam all round.
anymore
That’s not how that word works.
Edit: I didn’t say I I’ve never seen it used that way, i just find that particular use of it to be wrong.
I understood perfectly and I bet a lot of others did too. I bet you understood it. So, mostly or completely successful use of the word to inject the desired thoughts into others’ heads. So, the word works that way, even if it sounds awkward to you.
The positive sense usage of anymore is a regional thing: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anymore
It’s jarring nevertheless
But the previous poster didn’t use it in that way.
at the present time : NOW, NOWADAYS Hardly a day passes without rain anymore.
That’s not how they used it though. Grammatical construction matters
Just more subscription hell. It’s ridiculous anymore.
“It’s ridiculous these days”
“I don’t go out any more”
It’s ridiculous nowadays. Have no idea how you’re still not getting it, it’s actually impressive.
Leave that grammar nazi shit on reddit.
Never understood why people get upset for learning. My sister is 33 and has her own business. Every time she writes emails or company ads, she types at a 3rd grade level.
She uses the wrong “there”, says “should of”, etc.
When I try to teach her, she gets angry. Why? Do you want to stay stupid?
Time and place. Quite arrogant to assume someone isn’t just using local phrasing, as is the case here. People talk differently all over. The official use of English is simply official. How people actually use it in their communities is correct. Hope I’m being clear with my sentiment here.
Please sir, the only English I use is the Queef’s English.
I don’t believe it’s so much about the correction itself as it is about ignoring what the person said and only piping up to correct. Imagine we are having a conversation and you spend 3 minutes telling me about how you struggled to get the lug nuts off your tire this morning while changing it and when you finished, all I had to offer you is “they’re on the rim, not the tire” and nothing more. It can come off as a bit rude.
It’s all in the way the person points it out.
It’s colloquial to the USA, it’s an expression. My grammar is usually good except when I bastardize it to make a point like, “I aint gonna take that crap” or “grammar corrections are getting ridiculous anymore.” In the USA you’d have to live under a rock to have never heard that expression.
Joke’s on them I like retro logos
Do iOS users not have free icon packs? I’m so confused by this…
You can’t change icons from the system/launcher settings. Individual apps can offer icon options, but they are internal to the app.
What a scam…
But you can do what I did and use the shortcuts app to set custom icons and app names.
To each their own, I moved from iOS to Android in 2020 and first days I started experimenting with different icon packs, but not all are perfect or of my taste, nowadays I only use the monet icons feature for Pixel Launcher, but if it wasn’t for that I’d just use stock icons lol.
I suggest the “Delta” icon pack, if you haven’t tried it yet. It’s really good, IMO.
Well, I tried it and I like it!
Yes, that is what Apple products have become. Add Reddit on top of that and you have a double scam.
There are plenty of apps that allow you to change the app icon for free. This is entirely on Reddit.
It’s the same on the Reddit Android app too (although the icon option in the app looks ok, the icon in the launcher is pixelated)
At least you can freely change the icon on android
Any opportunity for an “Apple bad” comment
Have become? If anything, iOS have historically been getting more customizable over time not less.
And I don’t think it’s really accurate to compare iOS with MacOSX and earlier, entirely different systems with different use cases and form factors. I’d recon if Apple released a phone in 2002 it’s be just as locked down.
Not trying to defend this by the way, just surprised by the usage of the word “become” here as if it used to be different for iPhones.
Scamception, if you will.
Maybe it’s just a Nova thing but any image can be an icon, you dont have to change everything.
Sort of, you can use the Shortcuts app to make a custom launcher and use any icon you want. It’s not very intuitive for the average user.
I found an article from 2020 that said it wasn’t possible to use custom icons on an iPhone. Idk if that’s changed, since I don’t have an iPhone. I know customization is not something they are known for.
It’s more of a workaround: you need to make a shortcut (which you can set a custom icon to) to launch the app of your choice. This is still possible.
I wonder whether the average person is really as retarded as they are made out to be by large corporations.
Obviously yes. Reddit could change the app icon to a swastika and hide the real icon behind a $50 paywall and people would still use the app because of convenience.
“Don’t want your friends to think you are a nazi? Simple, just pay us 1 bitcoin… every month”
Don’t steal Elons ideas!
Musk stole all his ideas for Twitter from Trump, so there.
What? Redditors would pay MORE to change their icon to a swastika. Change the icon back, and charge $50 for a hate symbol and you got yourself a steady income, baby!
just look at election-results around the globe and how easily a lot of people are fooled by populists…
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Thinking people are retarded because they don’t pirate or self-host. Most people don’t have the time, room, energy to do it, you must be a genius
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They still sell celerons?
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They still sell celerons?
They still sell DOS???
Weirdly, I’ve been using my parents’ Netflix credentials still and haven’t been kicked off yet. They live hours away so there’s no mistake there about being in the same household.
Hopefully I’m not tempting fate too much by talking about it on the Internet lol
A relative I share an account with got the prompt last month. I setup a VPN at my place so they could connect once a month and “check in” at home with their mobile app. After that they could disconnect and continue watching on their Roku.
Plot twist: Your parents can’t access their Netflix anymore but aren’t tech savvy enough to understand why, so they’re back at watching classic broadcast television.
Lol I was actually wondering something similar. That, or they haven’t said anything out of fear of sounding rude.
I talk to them regularly though, and told my dad that I’m still logged in and watching it, so I hope he would have said something if it wasn’t working…
My brother is on my account in a different state and neither he nor I have been booted. Hoping we just got missed and they’ll never notice.
I can somewhat understand both perspectives. Although I too sail the high seas, if you don’t have the aptitude to self host, and you only care to binge a show over the weekend, $12 (or whatever it costs now) is a somewhat justifiable expense. I mean, 1 comic book is $4-$6 on average these days. One of those might provide 15 minutes of entertainment and a month of anticipation. $12 is a good value.
Even if only spend a few hours a month watching, it’s still pretty cheap entertainment.
Hell, some good beers while binging a season will literally cost more than the monthly fee.
Everything I want to watch is readily available for streaming. Why self host unless you want to keep copies?
A big part of it for me was seeing streaming companies removing episodes due to “modern sensibilities”. Multiple censored IASIP episodes, removing the D&D episode of Community. I think this is going to happen more and more and I want all the content. Not just what was approved by some diversity group.
Agreed. I am as progressive as one can be, but there are limits.
Just a few months ago I realized I haven’t seen one episode of The Office because Netflix removed it.
Just give the option to “show/hide” them. But don’t hide them completely.
What episode of the office did they remove? That’s insane.
The one with the blackface joke. One of the characters - can’t remember his name right now - appeared wearing blackface just for a few seconds as part of a joke implying that blackface was, well, inappropriate.
Because it’s available to stream NOW for $ but it may not be available LATER for $ or not
Sadly my children’s children won’t be able to find “Is it cake? S3E5” on their grandpa’s old hard drive.
And they’re lives will worse for it /s their primary concern is where their next dose of clean water will come from
Yeah well the first reason they won’t find it is the drive melted away in the heat wave of 37’, got blown up in the second War of the Rhine in 39’, and since 52’ lies at the bottom of the Central European Ocean.
But also because I streamed instead of torrenting.
I didn’t say I was paying :)
Mostly because if you set it up right it’s near entirely automated and you don’t have to worry about media availability on your subscribed service.
Edit: also a lot of the time we (Canada) miss out on a lot of content on streaming services
Sure, but I meant to imply that I can stream without paying without issues.
I also like the wide range of sources to pull down content and have it available vs sometimes having to wrestle with a streaming site in the moment.
Well, sure… not everyone has to self host to see what they want to see either, but my reasoning remains the same. The people signing up and paying for Netflix all of a sudden likely lack the aptitude or don’t care enough. I got a sandwich yesterday that was > $12.
Funny on the topic of sandwiches.
Two weeks ago I decided to make my own sandwiches and coffee, and all of a sudden I have $200 extra a month.
The strange thing, to me atleast, is that you can even just stream shows and movies on websites like bflix with subtitles for every language. I have friends and family that would pay netflix their left leg if they asked them to. And now they’re stuck with a bunch of subscriptions to multiple streaming services because everything is split between multiple platforms.
Is there any risk to streaming movies in bflix? Do you need anything special to use that site (like a VPN)? There is a little knowledge barrier to doing things like this.
Honestly not really. Torrents expose your ip directly to everyone downloading and uploading the torrent. But only the website itself sees your ip. Companies will join the torrent and add your ip to a list. Then ask your isp to send you a notice. With a website, companies cant see who is watching on a streaming website.
Also trying to use a site to stream media on a smart TV sucks so bad
Been using putlocker. Honesty a better experience than netflix since everything is there without question.
Well, why would they ditch for piracy? Netflix was smart about the whole thing: adding an authorized household (not user, entire household) is cheaper than creating a new subscription. The people subscribing to Netflix aren’t fundamentally opposed to paying for streaming, they were opposed to an unfair change in the business model. Netflix countered with a seemingly fair change in the business model that now eliminates the hassles that come with password sharing and could make the marginal increase in cost per household fairly small. It was overall a pretty smart business decision.
There are many many problems with Netflix, including their growth-based business model, the lack of insight into their finances, and the way they’re slowly enshittifying the film industry. They’re a major reason for the WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes. However, this change wasn’t stupid and people weren’t stupid for going along with it. I don’t see how it would lead to an overall increase in piracy, that’s being driven by the many new streaming services forcing costs on consumers. But consumers won’t blame Netflix for that because, frankly, that’s not Netflix’s fault.
Posting for it is still easier than learning how to pirate and dodging lawsuits.
Dodging lawsuits? Bruh you sound like you’re scared.
No one is going to come after you with lawsuits because you’re pirating movies. Worst case scenario your ISP ends your service after sending you a dozen warnings over the time span of a year.
I find it a tad arrogant to believe costumers can’t make rational decision that differ from those of the vocal online minority of reddit et al. Whenever a website changes its product (arguably for the worse, most of the time) said minority prophesizes the end, and calls out some kind of revolt, whereas the vast majority of users or
costumerscustomers just makes due with the slightly worsened conditions, simply because they still see the product as worthwhile. Netflix, for all its flaws, still is a decent product for a decent price, as long as you’re into the kind of slop they produce. And there probably is a large portion ofcostumerscustomers who weren’t even affected at all by the recent changes.I feel this is relevant for both costumers and people who don’t wear costumes when using reddit.
I kept paying for a little while, until I had ripped everything off their site I wanted to see, then I cancelled lol.
…ripped? From Netflix?
Yep, I got a program that had to be subscribed to for about $30usd a year that allowed me to rip up to entire seasons of shows in 1080p at a time through a logged in account. I accumulated about 3TB of shows and movies then cancelled My subscription to both Netflix and the program I was using.
My GF pays for Netflix and other than some annoying messages and text account sharing is still possible, not as cool as before though.
Anyway, as she does not have the premium version, or whatever is called (no 4K) good quality picture films we end up watching them on Stremio lol.
She doesn’t care, but I do.
The difference is, that Netflix (or Spotify, or whatever) does bring value on its own. I am paying money to comfortably and legally stream content, which itself is paid for and licensed by the streaming provider. From the perspective of a lazy end user, it’s worth it, because you do not need to care about downloading, finding releases, opsec and whatnot. I don’t want to protect Netflix, fuck corporations and subscription services, but password sharing was always only tolerated at most. From the same end user perspective, reddit is just an empty platform. The content is brought in free of charge by the community. And now not only they want the same community to pay, but also for an objectively worse experience? I don’t think that you can compare that.
Agree with you, but small nitpick, password sharing was encouraged at some point, at least from the PR side of the business.
Yeah let’s not be like, “poor guys, they needed to get rid of password sharing”, if we start to agree that they were never encouraged that’s how people forget stuff.
Remember a scary thing about average IQ: half of the people have IQ below that number, hence “average”.
That’s not really how averages work, that’s the median, but I get your point. In order for that to be average there have to be scores lower.
Median can also be called average. Average doesn’t strictly mean mean
His mind’s gonna be blown when he finds out about Mode averages.
£5.99 a month…
i cant believe people actually pay that for what is essentially a forum.
it’d probably be decades before they made that off me in advertising.
They could have had my money too if what they were asking were reasonable and i retained the ability to use RIF
RIF is still working (not using it but i have friends that showed it to me) i dont know why
Intermittently working for me, cannot log in though
Boost still have access when I left. I read that it actually takes a while for the API changes to be implemented.
Yeah if they made it so that you had to pay $5 per month or moderate a sub with >10k subscribers to keep using third party apps, none of this would happened and they would have been able to make more money off of it.
$5 a month is still a lot imo. i’d do $12 a year ($1 a month billed annually or 6 monthly) which is still an order of magnitude larger than the amount they would get from advertising for me
Yeah $5 is a bit much for what it is. I picked that number because it’s the upper limit for where I’ll go “fine have money just don’t bother me any more”
I would probably pay tbh. I hate my home screen looking bad. I’m on Android and use custom icons, but if I had no other options I’d pay for it.
That must be great to have so much money to spend it on things so futile and unnecessary 🤔
Necessary is a matter of perspective.
Sure, but don’t you think that when an app’s icon becomes a necessity, maybe it’s time to question yourself ?
Not really. I’ve been styling my home screen for years. I use kwgt, klwp, and icon sets to create a custom look. It’s what I enjoy doing, so no I don’t think doing something you like requires you to question anything.
If you enjoy doing it, good for you then
$50 per year to change an icon.
It’s not about the money. It’s the stench of the thing.
They bent us over rather than asking for consent.
that’s the whole point of what they’re doing, to get people like you that aren’t bothered, to pay for something that could be easily fixed. they created the problem on purpose…
It’s a subscription, you’re telling me you’re willing to keep paying just for the icon? And not a cheap one for what it’s worth either.
That is what I’m telling you.
You are, what they call in the field, a “sucker”.
I’m just someone who will pay for something to look good. If that makes me a sucker then I guess I have too much money.
You do.
What you just described is called ransom.
that doesn’t sound so bad
not you, cheeky bugger
So, 6 dollars a month just to unlock the original icon?
There’s no way you can be serious about that one. What else does reddit premium offer? No ads and an icon? How can anyone justify the price for that. At least with youtube premium you get a music service as well as no ads.
I am serious.
Do you have no boundaries?
It’s 6 dollars for no reason. Do you just roll over for every coporation that wants to fuck you over?
No but I have money. If I see something I want, I’ll pay for it. If I was strapped then yeah I’d be upset.
what are you guys talking about? an r place themed icon wasn’t put there to get people to pay money? it was put there because there is gonna be a new r place. this isn’t some evil plan conjured up the criminal mastermind u/SPEZ that you just uncovered.
Yea, I was reading the comments here and people really think anyone gives a flying fuck about how ugly the app icon is? It’s clearly for r place. Still, fuck Reddit for doing r place just to gather traffic again, but this article is just silly.
While we all hate reddit, them changing the app icon to make a reference to what used to be a fun event shouldn’t be our main point.
That is genuinely funny.
I can’t believe they push third-party devs away and then try to make Reddit as unappealing as possible! Like, I used their stupid app and I CAN’T HANDLE how much that stupid app LAGS!! If they want people to pay, they better be a damn good app. Like, this is just evil at this point!
I’m just saying, but Reddit is just becoming a money grab. I appreciated third-party devs because they made Reddit more enjoyable. My favorite app to use Reddit on is no longer effective due to Reddit’s changes. That’s why I’m on Lemmy now :/
Stable geniuses.
