It’s important to be clear about “they” here. Most of the Democrats in Congress and President Biden tried to pass money for education and health care, but they were blocked by all the Republicans and a couple Democrats. If John Fetterman had been elected in 2020 instead of 2022, there’s a decent chance we could’ve gotten it. Not a sure thing, but decent.
On the other hand, almost everyone in Congress supports military spending because it almost always benefits their constituents directly because military contractors have shrewdly built production facilities in nearly every state.
If we can give Biden another term (moderately difficult against Trump, hard against anyone else), expand the Democratic lead in the Senate (difficult), and flip the house (probably easy), we can probably get some education and health care spending. Maybe even a minimum wage increase and a permanent expansion of the child tax credit. Maybe a small UBI. Lots of things!!
(And yes the lavish spending on the military will certainly continue.)
Even with a majority in both chambers Biden and Democrats will not pass any of that.
If you look at elections you will see the Democrats like having only a slim margin in control and they always have someone who will fall on the sword and vote against things if it looks like something progressive will pass.
Hell they put money into Republicans to beat progressive Democratic candidates.
Only way you going get any of that is when we get rid of the two party system. Like with rank style voting.
This is why I vote single issue for voting reform. If a Democrat supports IRV, I’ll vote Democrat. If not, I vote third party.
“But Explodicle, you’re effectively just voting for Republicans! This is the most important election ever, past and future.”
No. I’m not voting Republican either. People who do vote Republican have not voted twice. We’ve been voting lesser evil for decades and it does not work. “Buying time” for nothing to change does not work. Giving Democrats the house, senate, and presidency does not work. They refuse to even try to expand the Supreme Court. We’re being played.
The Democrats need to go and we need an actual leftist major party. Each candidate can either get on board with that, or wait for revolution to become our only choice.
I agree lets start a third progressive party and start taking over towns and city elections. Hell we can probably get Congress if we try hard enough.
Democrats have no support in red states like here In Oklahoma. They can’t win but a good third party could.
They only had a majority on paper thanks to Manchin and Sinema. But sure, let’s blame them for falling to squeeze blood from a stone.
“Only democrats have agency” is an interesting trope.
when the issue is assuming the radicalization of the Democratic Party’s platform? ya, or would you argue that republicans should be working to help democrats pass their legislation
You’re gonna have to explain that one to me.
Unless you’re trying to say Republicans aren’t evil robots who automatically oppose everything Democrats do, but that makes no sense.
I think it’s sometimes called Murc’s law.
Part of it is blaming Democrats for things, but when Republicans are huge assholes accepting it as like just a force of nature.
So like, democrats fail to pass a law to such and such. That framing ignores that Republicans took action to foil it.
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/03/andrew-gelman-on-murcs-law talks about it a little. Or https://whereofonecanspeak.com/2023/03/02/youve-probably-never-heard-of-murcs-law-but-youve-seen-it-in-action-lots-of-times/
Ah, I see. I thought you were disagreeing with me.
100%
Real change requires real change
My only problem with this image is the money is being fed to a soldier, not a general or military political advisor, the people who end up with the real money.
I think the “soldier” in the image represents exactly that, the MIC/War Machine, not just a soldier. I’ve seen this cartoon many times and always assumed the intent was the military soaking up tons of money.
I will leave this quote from Eisenhower’s “A Chance For Peace” speech.
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone.
It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.
The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities.
It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population.
It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some 50 miles of concrete highway.
We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat.
We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people.
This, I repeat, is the best way of life to be found on the road. the world has been taking.
This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
Ive never heard of this speech but very good read, thanks for sharing
This was USSR, so it is possible.
He’s wearing a gold cuirass
Old men keep dreaming of battles for young men to fight.
-The Chariot, Daggers
Hey what percent is $14 billion of the $4.3 trillion Americans spend on healthcare?
0.325%. Where the fuck did all that money come from?
$14 billion is like $40 bucks per American. Might be able to buy a toothbrush and some bandaids with that healthcare money.
I’m not sure if my math is correct, but it’s more like 4 cent per American. 14 million divided by 331.9 million gets 0.0421.
Yeah, I’m always second guessing my math too, lol. I think it should billion not million in this case.
At that scale money doesn’t actually exist. It’s just agreements between banks and nations.
You mean over spend? If the government handled healthcare it would be cheaper.
Sure, I agree we can get cheaper healthcare, but $14 billion amounts to like $40 bucks per American. Not buying many more healthcare and schools with that. This meme (at least the second part) is stupid and won’t convince anyone who supports Israel aid to change their minds because the math is not convincing. Makes for a weak argument, imho.
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It’s not mystery money, it’s Modern Monetary Theory. Republicans are invested in hiding that fact that we can afford to do all the good stuff and fund the military at the same time
And if putting “too much” fiat currency into circulation is a real problem, then tax the shit out of the rich. Republicans under Eisenhower were OK with that in the 1950s. If that’s unpalatable, why can’t we tax corporate revenue instead of profit? It’s not like I only pay taxes on what’s left over after I’ve paid all my bills (though there is a standard deduction for individuals).
I heard a very good theory on how to combat inflation.
The government collects an increased tax amount from the wealthy and holds on to that money, effectively taking it out of circulation, and over the course of the next 10 or 20 years you trickle it out into public services.
Boom, suddenly you took money out of circulation and helped people at the same time.
That’s how trickle down economics should actually work.
Reminds me of something Will Rogers wrote about Herbert Hoover:
This election was lost four and five and six years ago not this year. They dident start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the dryest little spot. But he dident know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands. They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue.
Just for a little context, keep in mind that “military aid” be it to Ukraine or Israel is almost entirely spent in the US. We ship missiles and bombs from stockpiles, and pay Raytheon to make some more.
So this money is being spent to the benefit of Americans, just the military industrial folks and their shareholders.
The good old “military industrial complex” 😑
It’s still resources that could be spent towards something else, something ultimately more productive.
Building a house takes a lot of work, so why spend that effort into building a bomb that destroys many such houses, instead? What does this achieve for humanity?
Because building houses lowers the value of all the real estate the wealthy already own.
Worth mentioning that there are well paying, stable jobs in the MIC for the other 99%. I work for a sub (in IT, and spend most of my time on the commercial side of the business) in such a company. While I resent our biggest revenue maker, it does enable the company to fund scientific research and commercial space endeavors.
I wouldn’t call myself a bootlicker, per se, but I do enjoy my job, despite what I’ve started viewing as a necessary evil — the pay and benefits are highly competitive, I’m 98% WFH, layoffs and turnover are rare (there are regularly people retiring who had entered straight from college and worked directly on Apollo missions), the job is challenging and I’m given a long leash.
Why not call yourself a bootlicker? I’m sure many would.
This is not worth mentioning. Everyone knows that you can sell out your values for money and comfort. Most people just aren’t willing to do it for such relatively low benefits.
Did they at least give you a nice dog collar for that leash?
“I mean, I know my work contributes to some of the worst atrocities of mankind but they give me a lot of money and benefits for forgetting that I actively contribute in facilitating the slaughter of children which makes it easier to swallow. Also I get to work from home a lot! ❤️”
Eh, that may be how you see it.
Personally I’ve been more directly involved in actually helping people and things go to the fricken moon than I have in all of my defense projects, combined. And space is just one of our cool science markets.
I can do defense stuff, I’m authorized to, in a pinch I can (and have), but I would really rather not. Work on that side of the house sucks.
Nobody likes how the sausage is made, but it’s going to get made as long as someone buying it. I’m not eating the sausage. I’m not buying the sausage. I’m having a satisfying job, managing operations at a small pig farm that also develops new cutting-edge cancer medications inside of pig pancreases. Different group of pigs, though.
It’s not so much “how I see it” as it is “how it is” and you don’t seem to deny that.
I understood that you prefer not to work on the child-killing devices the first time. Nonetheless all the other “cool science markets” still help your employer make those child-killing devices.
While the sausage will keep being made, I can actively choose not to be the butcher and I’m having a hard time respecting people gushing about their work on the non-butchering side of the same company.
No, you have it backwards, the child killing devices enable my employer to do the cool science markets.
Revenue from child killing devices and related patents pays for the science research. And as it turns out, a lot of those patents also work really well for the cool life-saving science stuff.
Oh, now I get it, your employer has to facilitate killing children, so they can do cool science stuff! Wow, that’s instantly so much better! The kids will be so happy when they hear that!
Damn, if only somehow could figure out how to do cool science stuff without all the dead children, though. Maybe you could do some cool science stuff on that maybe? Like soonish?
I put an ETA on as you were responding, so I’ll move it here for your convenience.
ETA, this is why I see it as more a necessary evil. War pays the bills. My company is probably pretty unique in that we are not a prime and we put most of our revenue towards private research. We are not unique in how our war revenue gets used to subsidize more humanitarian tech, and I imagine even Boeing or LM wouldn’t be able to keep their lights on with just their commercial businesses, either, or the cost of commercial aviation would be unattainable to most people. And without them I imagine FedEx and UPS would crumble, as would USPS. And then the entire economy after that. Just as one example.
World peace is a terrific goal. But getting there will have a lot of unintended consequences, just due do how ingrained the war machine is with the commercial sector and contemporary lifestyle. At least in America.
ETA, again, and that wouldn’t even account to the number of displaced workers inside the war machine, be it on commercial or defense sides. It’s one thing to selfishly think of this for myself, it’s another thing to think of the economic and societal impact of millions of simultaneously displaced, highly skilled workers.
Another edit: I wouldn’t be surprised if, incidentally, the economic and social impact of shutting down the war machine and declaring world peace would actually kill more children, just it’d be white kids instead, and indirectly through poverty, hunger, and slowed research of life saving technology (due to its funding drying up) instead of drone strikes. The system itself is intrinsically stacked against world peace, at multiple levels. The effects of several thousand families, and in some cases entire communities, being deprived of their primary source of income, simultaneously, would be absolutely devastating.
What adds salt to the wound is that the money was taken from the IRS who would’ve used it to hire more auditors so they can audit more wealthy people who’ve been cheating on their taxes.For every $1 spent for auditors, they return an average of $12.
So we really lost $168bn in federal income that could’ve helped the public.
I’m pretty sure that bill only passed the house then the companion bill stalled out in Senate committee. Neither Senate Dems or Biden fell for that bait.
Well that’s great news. Thank you
Brought to by the “if you didn’t do anything wrong, you have nothing to fear” crowd.
Source? I thought only the house bill, which was DOA in the senate, included that. Don’t mean to sound confrontational, I’d just like to know and haven’t been able to find anything myself.
You’ve got more information than me, I wasn’t aware it died in the Senate. I just assumed the figure in the post was referring to that same House Bill.
They don’t want people knowing where their money goes.
The Pentagon can’t/won’t account for trillions of dollars that they’ve been given, which adds more salt to the wound.
You can’t expect billionaires to pay taxes or risk anything of their own, right? That would be silly.
Why should the richest people to ever live on this planet have to pay taxes so that the rest of us can have medicare for all and a UBI equivalent to a living wage? Or to pay their workers an equal share of the profits from the companies they own?
I remain very unclear at person #2’s point.
Thats a you issue
The thing that keeps that happening is people themselves. Best we can do is bitch and moan on social media. Of course they will continue doing nothing for us.
While true, when the representatives that you keep voting for keep advancing corporate interests instead of helping their constituents, it starts to feel like the democratic process has failed us.
What would fix a lot of this would be a mechanism where the people could vote to remove someone from a federal position, because the people have no recourse but to wait a few years and hope enough people still remember the bad things the incumbent did.
Term limits would help too.
What would fix a lot of this would be a mechanism where the people could vote to remove someone from a federal position
A vote of no confidence and we get to reelect Congress?
Term limits would help too.
Term limits only help when you make politics about the issues rather than who has the most money to get noticed. Make the term limits too short and all you do is give it to the people with the most money considering our politicians currently spend half their time fund raising for their next election.
democratic process has failed us
This isn’t the fault of the democratic process, but allowing money to be speech, companies to be people, and the oligarchy to take over.
Eat the rich
The education system has a much higher overall ROI, but it’s unfortunately spread across all of society and takes a generation to actually pay out.
By contrast, putting money into the Military Industrial Congressional Complex pays off consistently, predictably, and in a manner that channels the returns straight back into the investors’ accounts.
It’s just simple economics.
Yeah but educated Americans don’t like israel so AIPAC wins double by lobby to defund education and giving themselves bombs.
Yeah. It drives me nuts when the media talks about misinformation as if they didn’t help lie us into a war that’s lasted most of my life. Clearly none of the bad things that we all see happening daily are the reason we’re all sad and angry right?
