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Here’s the thing though… I’ve been on Reddit for over a decade before Lemmy, and whilst there may be less interaction the interactions themselves have been far more sincere. People are more willing to engage, and even with this random comment there’s a chance someone would comment below.
The community feel of Lemmy is something, at least I’ve found, Reddit had lost a very long time ago.
Sort of a quality Vs quantity thing I guess?
What this shows us is that more people are joining lemmy, but even more people are either leaving or going into lurker mode, as Lemmy only counts people who have commented or posted in that time period as active users, whereas most social media counts any activity while logged in as active. You have to realize that people who use reddit as Google search results don’t usually interact with the content there and most won’t even make an account.
On the upside, with fewer people, it’s easy to get noticed here just by contributing good content since you don’t really get drowned out here because of the democratic upvote based sorting instead of black box personalized recommendation algorithms. So with relatively low amount of effort, you can make sure your content is being seen instead of relying on analytics and metrics.
The last thing to in mind that Lemmy is only one aspect of ActivityPub, and Mastodon’s growth is currently the highest right now because of the ecosystem created by the whale fall of Twitter, which indirectly grows Lemmy as Mastodon users can post directly to federated Lemmy communities.
I just got recommended this site after posting on reddit re: predatory algos and the necessary regulations needed to protect people and how algos have manipulated the UX so much its disrupted the originally intended purposes; ie insta has effectively become a marketing and advertising platform.
So in response someone suggested finding alternatives to the popular social media sites and used Lemmy as an example.
I have been loving it thus far - its old school reddit.
this is my first comment on lemmy!
Do votes count as activity as well? Or just posts and comments?
It really should.
Strong agree
I can see the arguments for both, to be honest. Ideally I’d like to be able to see statistics for both. Active Users and Active Contributors?
You can already see how many posts and comments users make. Isn’t that the same?
Well, as mentioned that is also covered by the Monthly Active Users metric that already is available. But in addition to that, I think it would be interesting to see the number of users who read and vote but don’t post or comment. Even though posting and commenting is the biggest part, actively voting is still an important part of the ecosystem.
True, could be nice to see data on content consumers, and not just the content creators.
I changed the algorithms in programming.dev to take into account voters in the activity. Since stats are all calculated locally you can view any community from programming.dev to get the monthly active users including that change
e.g. https://programming.dev/c/[email protected] shows 27.8k users/month on p.d which is almost as much as the value here for all of lemmy excluding voters
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected]
*edit: so, that seems to not have worked in the Boost app. Is it a link for anyone else?
That doesn’t seem to make a hyperlink either.
All three of those work in Thunder!
Thanks! I guess it’s just a bug in Boost.
That’s crazy! User/month goes from only 7.5k active to 27.8k. And that’s just people voting. What about people who only read a post?
Dont have access to those stats in the database so adding on voting is the best I can do
Theres a post read table but its only people who have explicitly marked something as read and is way less than the post likes
Do posts get marked as read when you read the comments? There’s the x new comments feature, so something must be storing that timestamp.
I dug through the code and turns out the post read table does store when its read (with number of comments when it was read stored in a person post aggregates table), it just only stores it for people from your instance so I cant get accurate numbers from all of lemmy (and why it seemed like there was a low amount)
Agreed. Lurkers are what keep these sites alive.
Votes unfortunately don’t count
halfyear includes people trying out different instances; monthly shows just the one(s) they settled on
Someone posted metrics for how many users vote. 131k.
thanks margot robbie
Damn, I’d better keep commenting, I usually just lurk/vote
There seemed to be an influx of reddit users but probably didn’t like Lemmy’s own distinct user base (*nix users for example)
I am kind of glad it settled down because I much prefer Lemmy over reddit
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That you are a magnificent bastard!!
People are way angrier here than in Reddit, because in Reddit, mods usually clean up the angriest people from the whole platform.
We can be if it makes your experience better!! Watch!
Dizzirron I bet you don’t even use Linux!
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Went to the website link looking for context and couldn’t find it so I’ll ask here. What is the significance of the blue Halfyear line?
Probably user active during the past 6 months (posting, commenting, …) vs user active during the past month
I believe it’s there to massage perception 😂
Active users in the last six months. It will drop off when the usage peak is no longer included in the six-month period.
It’s just a borderline misleading and useless user engagement metric.
My guess green resets count every month. Blue resets every 6 months. So blue is cumulative of total users cover the last 6 months. It shows that new people keep on coming but others are leaving every month.
Weird, because I feel like it is more populated that it was after the huge influx of users because of the APIcalypse.
Lemmy is one of the healthiest fediverse communities. It’s starting to get to the point where it can emulate the hours of infinite scrolling people do on reddit. Whether that is a good thing is debatable.
It’s starting to get to the point where it can emulate the hours of infinite scrolling people do on reddit.
That is the case for me since Sync for Lemmy popped out.
Whether that is a good thing is debatable.
This reminds me of my mom watching TV novels back in the days when they aired daily, and now she watches the same novels but through streaming… Ahh some things never change
I’m really glad that it’s small. I’d rather see genuine posts about 3D printing or aquariums or mountainbiking rather than ragetext memes or influencer shit on the frontpage of reddit. I do hope we kinda dial down the copy/paste bot content from reddit though, especially the memes.
The people who are here are more willing to post. So less of us overall but also less lurkers.
Yeah, it seems like the most logical assumption, anyway I’m happy here, hopefully it would not take too long for more niche stuff to kick in!
Depends on how niche. Some stuff unfortunately only comes from truly large user bases. At a guess, the further you go from a tech/liberal core and overlapping hobbies, the longer it will take for the content to emerge.
Depends on how niche
Well, for me it would be sufficient for some communities about specific videogames or tv shows/anime :)
But at least the tech community is rather calm. I can have a different point of view with them and have a calm discussion with them.
Other groups aren’t like that.
This definitely applies to me. I had a Reddit account for 5-6 years, but never made a single post and only wrote a handful of comments. I just feel more comfortable interacting here.
I lurked for months because of lemmy.world’s policy of only allowing real email accounts for registration. Reddit allowed anonymous accounts for years which encouraged easy participation at the cost of bots.
I like that I can somewhat recognize usernames across all the lemmy post I comment in. Im not sure if anyone really notices me or recognizes my username and goes ‘Oh hey its smokeydope again’ but I do that for some other active lemmy users and it starts to feel like we are all acquaintances working together to make an interesting experience for eachother and not just competing for attention without adknowledging eachother.
I’m contributing because I’m a bit of a meme repository and I get a more positive reception here than I do on Reddit.
Lemmy is in a healthy state.
I gotta be honest…I am hanging on by a threat. The communities that I was engaged with on Reddit before the Snoopacolypse were pretty niche. I wasn’t there for r/funny or r/videos, etc. I found similar communities on Lemmy, but they have soooooo little activity. I have to modify my sort just to see content, as its so old. When there are posts, they typically get very little discussion.
I am on Lem.ee, and I have the hardest time posting anything from mobile. It looks like it fails, and if I sort by new, it isn’t there and never shows up - HOWEVER, I start getting replies, so someone is seeing it somehow.
I detest what reddit did and is still doing - but Lemmy is not filling that void for me, and its frustrating.
Try fiddling around with your language settings maybe? Sometimes the language filter can hide posts in a weird way.
Ultimately, if your only interest is in a handful of niche communities, then Lemmy isn’t quite there yet, I agree. I am also missing a bunch of niche communities, but I enjoy most of the popular content that’s on Lemmy anyhow, so I’m not too bothered by the loss of the niche stuff for now.
Please take a look at https://fediverser.network and let me know what communities you are missing.
I think you may have misunderstood. I have FOUND communities, but there is not much engagement or activity. I have resorted to discord channels for most of them, but it is not the same.
Some of my most active subreddits were different 3d printing and 3d modeling groups, groups for games like Overwatch, and Payday. Different AI focused groups, but specifically groups like the Stable Diffusion sub, Subreddits that discuss my favorite shows, or styles of music. None of that is active here. It isn’t that they don’t exist on Lemmy, they are just ghost towns. I joined multiple instances and am very active and engaged on multiple accounts, on some of these groups - but there is not response. I was in the top 3% of karma earners on Reddit - and I did that by submitting and commenting a lot. That just doesn’t happen here (yet).
Let me put this another way: if I create an overwatch community on https://level-up.zone, would you be willing to contribute there?
Also: If I set up the alien.top bots to mirror content from the overwatch sub, could you use that as a hook to reach out to redditors and tell them how to migrate to Lemmy?
I have tried to jumpstart a few communities by posting and commenting regularly . I would try a new one, but if people do not find or join, it will get caught in the same cycle as the existing groups. I like participating, but am not interested in being the single driving force, or moderating.
To answer your other question, I cannot stand when I see auto mirrored content from Reddit. I usually ignore those posts, as I have rarely seen comments happening. When the content wasn’t created by somebody here, I don’t think anybody is invested in maintaining or participating in the discussion.
We need to start somewhere. The mirrored content (and by content, I mean posts and comments as well) is meant to be a way to help bootstrap the communities. I can help as well, but only by giving you the tools to make this easier and in avoiding the feeling you’d be talking to yourself.
I feel you. The Network Effect is real, and the niche subreddits need a HUGE overall userbase to work at all.
The total population of Lemmy + Kbin is about the size of a medium size city subreddit.
I’m staying here for now. I sometimes cheat and browse reddit not-logged-in. I don’t know what the answer is.
I think it’s fair to reply to niche-sub threads with a little PS:
BTW, I’ve recently shifted my online engagement to Lemmy, as I find it aligns more with my values and the way I like to share content. The community there is very welcoming, and they’d be incredibly receptive to the insights shared in this thread. Hope to seeing you there!
Good idea
The mirrors from alien.top are perfect for this use case. I had about 40 subreddits which I followed but didn’t participated much. I had them all mirrored to different communities and now I don’t need to go to reddit anymore.
(Unfortunately, LW has blocked alien.top, so if you want to do something similar you’ll need an account on a different server)
Very interesting; thank you
Promising, have to check this out!
Not sure if I’ll want to start with dummy accounts to test… by connecting my reddit account, am I actually potentially triggering more mirroring?
No. The mirroring is configured by the instance admin.
Same for me. I browsed Reddit exclusively for a bunch of small but active communities about books and niche games or shows. Most of those either don’t have a place on Lemmy, or the place they have is a ghost town. Too little posts, and even fewer engagement. I frequently see posts with upvotes in the single digits and zero comments.
I don’t plan on going back to Reddit, but at the same time I don’t think that Lemmy is a valid substitute yet. Maybe it’s also a problem of discoverability? Like, I heard of Lemmy during the APIcalypse, but I’ve never seen it mentioned anywhere else, and I don’t know how a normal person looking for a community online is supposed to find Lemmy, or even learn the existence of it.
I hear that, but also…
Well, I was doing the same, but noticed that even in the niche subs, the conversations seemed to be getting more and more… juvenile? Like prior to the Snoopacolypse (as you called it, and I love it! The term not the event in case that needs any clarification:-P), it was a point of pride for me that I had never blocked anyone in my life - whereas now I don’t think twice before doing that bc who has time to waste on someone not engaging in good faith!? Especially if they lack enough self awareness to even realize that fact about themselves while they are doing it. (Tbf, possibly watching Innuendo Studios’ analysis of GamerGate that uses many tactics of the Alt Right in America had something to do with my changing views as well:-).
Ymmv ofc, bc different subs means entirely different people & thus experiences interacting with them, but I’m just saying that rather than stick with the subset of that community that remained after Rexit, I eventually just find myself going or even wanting to go there less and less, instead enjoying engaging here more, even at the expense of not being able to talk about those matters. I haven’t posted there for months, nor even commented for a month, and barely go once a week to read. Bc I use Kbin and the mobile browser experience here is so horrible to write a comment, I find myself not commenting here often either - but when I do I have much more fun doing so, not having to be anywhere near as defensive as that other place that shall not be named.
I hope you find something that works best for you as well, wherever that may be.
I’m liking the “cosiness” of the discussion threads on most posts, personally. On Reddit a popular thread would have hundreds or thousands of comments already by the time I got there and it felt like my responses were just being lost in a sea.
I unsubscribed from all the subs that big years ago. It’s funny to see how people used Reddit so differently
Latest Jerboa release doesn’t work with Lemmy 0.19 so i spend less time here
meh. who am i, a fuckin executive? i don’t care about graphs
frankly, it feels like lemmy has both grown and gotten worse - it attracted enough attention that there are now morons, bootlickers, corporate simps, and dickheads posting now, and upvoting each other’s posts
I know this is just anecdotal, but I have literally not seen a single mention of Lemmy anywhere online or in the news in the last 3 months, including on Reddit. “Build it and they will come” only gets you so far…
I commented on an admin post today saying “Lemmy is thriving” and the comment never appeared 🤣
Which means that the fact that so many users have stayed is even more impressive.
You make a good point.
Mastodon by comparison has attracted a number of people basically campaigning for its adoption with webpages and sign up drives.
I’m not clear on the details but I’ve picked up that some of that energy comes from people who see Twitter as politically important and so view Mastodon advocacy as a political act worthy of funding.
Reddit I imagine doesn’t attract that kind of interest.
But still, as you say, adoption could be better with some more community organisation.
Generally, the lack of synergy with mastodon is a continuous source of disappointment for me in how segregated the Fedi actually is and how insular masto actually is.
Because everyone who wants to use lemmy isn’t posting about it on reddit.
I post on my country sub every week in the self promotion thread.
We also published a news in a well known national open source website.
I agree with you, people have to advocate about it, it’s not magical.
It’s also important to note that 0.19 has been a long time coming. I think part of the reticence to engage in full on Lemmy evangelism is that people recognize that the platform still needs work. Once everything starts working more smoothly and moderation tools get some upgrades, it’ll become a lot easier to recommend Lemmy to the average person.
Definitely a good point too
I agree. No one knows Lemmy.
Still, as long as there is enough activity on it, I’m happy.
Still on Lemmy exclusively, but it’s not my first time using a reddit alternative. This is normal. A large influx of users when reddit fucks up, but some slowly migrate back. Until reddit fucks up again. The problem is none of the alternatives survive long term.
Traditionally, the alternatives to Reddit were worse than Reddit. This is the first time that that is no longer true.
You can also make an argument that Reddit was the improved version of Digg. History can repeat itself if the Fediverse proves to a superior model.
The Fediverse has been around for a couple of years now and it’s an open protocol rather than just a single organization, so I’m liking its odds better than most.
It’s actually quite a good sign that Lemme is as stable as it is. It’s not populated, but it’s stable. That means that there’s always something to come back to.
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