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Linux > windows 10 > Windows 11 > MacOS is my experience, I just can’t stand apple and their walled gardens. I hate that they try to force me to use their shitty cloud and prevent me from installing third party apps. Windows 11 hhurts my eyes. And as a W10 refugee that’s gotten used to linux, I think its tolarable
In my experience, win 8.1 < win 10: less CPU and ram hogging, less telemetry, and overall less frustration. Although, yeah, you’d have to replace metro crap with something less tablet-oriented.
Alternatively, server editions are OK.
Alternatively, server editions are OK.
wait, server edition on desktop?
Well, duh. Kinda funny how windows server is a better desktop windows than a regular windows. Basically, you get less candy_crush-like crap plus only security updates, as far as I remember. But yeah, there are different unnecessary features (unless you’re in the corporate environment, ofc)
Although, I’m not really sure nowadays since I haven’t used windows for a few years 😅
The walled garden makes sense on the phone, but I’m not clear what you’re thinking of for macOS
I just went to videolan.org and libreoffice.org over Thanksgiving to download and install them on my cousin’s MacBook
I have to click through ten million pop ups to have macOS “trust” it. It makes me hate myself
That’s true and annoying. There is a terminal command to disable all that though
oh I would love to learn what that command is
sudo spctl --master-disableand/or--global-disable
Still usually less clicks than most windows installers though. (Personally I hate all 3 OS’s more or less equally)
Actually no. Not really. Also there is no more braindead argument than “I hate all of x equally”. Form a real fucking opinion
There’s no opinion to form. They all suck absolute donkey balls in their own unique ways.
I’m an Android fan, but I do like the walled garden for iPhones. There are so many people who just do not understand how to protect their privacy online, and phones are a treasure trove of personal information. I’ve no doubt that the tight controls on iOS have saved many people from identity theft due to their own negligence. That, combined with the ease of use and the superior accessibility features over Android makes iPhone the better choice for older generations who don’t understand technology as well.
I would agree that a reasonably locked down device helps certain audiences stay secure, but to me that always sounds like a convenient excuse. Surely they could at least implement some way to regain control, even if that meant having to unlock the boot-loader and flashing the device, which is not something your average person would/could do.
The problem is that you are trusting Apple completely.
I’m not trusting Apple at all, I exclusively use degoogled Android.
Me too
Honestly you can use a Mac perfectly well without ever signing into iCloud + you don’t get prompted to sign in ever really unless you click on a feature that requires iCloud like the iCloud tab in settings.
You can even use the apps like mail without ever signing into iCloud.
OpenVMS is the way.
You just need to enable the disable option on windows, and I just learnt how to burn a dvd on windows 10.
At least when I open up Mac OS, it doesn’t show me a pop up ad telling me how XBOX CONTROLLERS COME IN SO MANY COLORS NOW click here to buy.
I’ve gotten that pop up the last 3 times I’ve booted up my windows machine.
Windows is great for gaming. But it’s the only thing I turn that machine on for.
Gaming on Linux is pretty legit now. I don’t even boot into windows very often. In recent memory, only one AAA game didn’t work out of the box for me that required booting into windows.
Modding can be an issue though.
Btw, does Wallabag work now on Linux?
And i don’t get Reshade since 5.* to work in wine/proton anymore?
So far black desert online is the only game that I’ve wanted to play that I can’t on Linux (eac is awful). I know there are others, but it’s mainly fps games that bother with windows-only eac and I don’t play fps games all that much. Battlebit is probably the only fps I’ve been playing in the past few months, and they use/will be using a linux-compatible eac version which I’m jazzed about
Actually, EAC has a Proton-compatible build, the devs just have to use it. It’s not a hard switch, they just have to choose to allow Linux compatibility, which most devs (well, really it’s probably an exec level decision) do not.
Really sucks because older games will likely never get this. Looking at ones like Ghost Recon Wildlands. I do not care for the newer release but was excited to play Wildlands with my brother from my Steam Deck.
Game loaded just fine into the world and then I got kicked within a few seconds with a EAC error.
In black desert’s case, there’s no chance they would ever allow anyone to play without a kernel anti cheat, which EAC doesn’t allow on linux. The game is literally all grind, if bots could run on linux it would absolutely ravage the already shit economy.
From the controversy around battlebit using eac, apparently the eac version that is just a checkmark for proton/Linux support is not a drop in replacement for the regular one that is more popular. The one with that option would require a lot of refactoring code, and doesn’t have all of the features of the main eac unfortunately.
it doesnt seem to be that way, https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/01/easy-anti-cheat-not-as-simple-as-expected-for-proton-and-steam-deck/
That’s unfortunate, but not surprising. I can’t exactly expect Epic to port the wine compatible version to the old release, so it makes sense.
I only ever boot Windows for VR. That’s it
I gave up on trying BattleBit for free on Ubuntu 22.04 this weekend, no Proton or GE-Proton version would run that motherfucker.
I didn’t feel like booting Windows.
No joke, most of my games work better on Linux because of proton than my Windows box. Such a nice experience.
Same here. Linux just need rolling gameplay recording and better controller support (steering wheels for one) and for me it’d be set. I know Decky has it for the Steam Deck but I haven’t seen one for desktop that works fine on Wayland.
Have a rather „expensive“ sim racing rig and would love to switch over to Linux again. But it’s simply a niche in a niche so I don’t expect any surprises in the near future. Too bad
Yeah, sim racing is very much left out in the Linux world, if not pretty janky. Virtual reality isn’t doing too hot here either, Valve just announced Steam Link for the Oculus headsets, and right now it’s Windows only.
TBF I haven’t actually tried Asetto Corsa with my steering wheel, or XPlane with my VR headset on Linux yet I just assumed it wouldn’t work. As soon as they do, I can’t wait to shitcan Windows forever.
I’ve tried Euro Truck Sim 2 with my G29, which was built for PlayStation but can work on PC with drivers on both Windows and Linux. On Linux, PS4 mode doesn’t work on Linux, but PS3 mode does - the main thing is you lose the speed indicators on your wheel, if you really want them speed lights you’ll have to go Windows and install G HUB.
Some say PS3 mode disables clutch support since that was the case when using it on a PS3 but IDK if this is the case on PC and specifically Linux. Cursory search points towards no.
Does OBS screen-capture not work?
Used it before but not for rolling recordings. I heard it can be janky with hotkeys on Wayland, but I’ll have to give it a shot.
I’ve never once seen this, is it W11?
I’m on W11 and have never seen an ad in the OS.
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I think it’s much more agressive in some territories. I’m in Europe an I never saw it either.
Otoh, I don’t boot windows very often, maybe once a month.
If you can’t even find the option to disable suggestions, can you even call yourself a computer expert?
No, but you can call yourself a gamer.
Yeah. I was literally just talking about how my SteamDeck is going to let me retire my remaining Windows PC. And by retire it, I mean install Linux, and continue to enjoy it.
Just disable everything I don’t get this on my pc
Me either. Not that I’m advocating this BS practice!
I’m also surprised that people see this kind of ads: I haven’t seen any since I removed Outlook free (after Windows prompted me to switch because the older UWP Mail app was being retired). I’m always surprised when people complain about the number of ads they get in Windows.
But that’s not the point: the point is no paid software should contain any ad.
The very first thing you have to do when you start to use a new Windows or phone is to spend an hour or two disabling all the bullshit options.
Not that I condone that notification, as I equally hate it too, but if you right-click it, you can tell Windows to never show those notifications ever again. I haven’t gotten one since doing that.
It’s still shitty, nonetheless, and I still fucking hate Windows. Only use it because I have to for work and gaming, for the most part.
I have never ever seen this on my windows install.
Lol, is this meme for real? Most mac users would never touch Linux. Like, yes, they are both based on Unix… But come on now, this is just intellectually dishonest.
Most Mac users, in my experience, have no idea how to operate anything without an apple logo on it.
My Mac is such a slow piece of shit on Mac OS that it’s nearly unusable without installing Linux.
I think it still works. The user you describe doesn’t care about Linux, they just don’t like windows. So they would not wash their hands
Linux users are in the (well constructed) tent camp in the local park that Mac users ride their electric scooters past while desperately trying to avoid eye contact.
Linux users are the homeowners who build and fix everything they can, but look down on people that don’t find craftsmanship fun, claiming that they’re saving money by doing the work themselves. Good on you for having that hobby, but if you don’t enjoy it, spending time to learn those skills costs time that could be spent earning more money than you’d save. Paying an expert to do things you don’t enjoy is usually the cheaper option. They can be found almost anywhere, similar to how Linux users use Apple or windows products from time to time.
Mac users are suburb dwellers who view their way of life as what everyone should aspire to, ignorant to the downsides of sprawl and reliance on cars to go anywhere. Commute times suck, while walkable neighborhoods with public transit make most people healthier and happier. There’s an important classist component, often bundled with racism, that underscores this ideal.
Windows users are people that live in urban areas for work, trying to find reasonable rent or home prices as unchecked capitalism makes everything worse, but unaware why things suck. They get annoyed when people share their passion for handiwork, and dislike suburban folks for thinking they’re superior rather than the downsides to suburban life. However, because most people live this way, and live this way for work, they usually don’t have strong identities like suburbanites or handy homeowners.
Homeless people are those who can’t afford computers, overlapping with actual homeless people, and rural people are those that don’t use computers more than they need to, socializing face to face and literally touching grass.
Thanks, Jessica.
They’re totally, definitely, absolutely not Jessica!
This is a very interesting analogy, thanks for sharing
A lot of software development in a corporate environment is using a Mac as the host. Not to say it’s the target build env. So id say some Mac users know Linux far better than you think. In my experience.
Mac users are at the sink right next to them also washing their hands. We don’t talk about the nasty things Linux users do with their hands.
All those filthy command line arguments <3
Yeah seriously. I don’t show anyone my bash history. That’s nastay.
I got more pipes than a mario game.
Are Mac users compatible with normal sinks and water or do they need an adapter?
Apple will happily sell you a MagSafe dongle to dangle in the sink beside your neighbor.
Zing!
Dongle me harder, senpai.
Adapter, unless the EU forced them to change that.
What are windows mainers doing in a linux community? Shoo, we don’t want Edge or Bing or popup ads in our games.
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As a windows user, i’ll respect your opinion and fuck off. However i WILL be back bitch!! (My next OS is 100% linux)
You will be welcomed back with open arms my (future) friend.
I’m not your (future) friend, (future) buddy!!!
I’m not your (future) buddy, (future) pal!
Ow yeah?! Well I’m not your (future) pal, (future) friend!
I have often chosen MacOS over Windows, though Windows has come a long way since 95. It isn’t as infuriating to use anymore.
I’ve been a Mac user off and on since the late 80s and used Windows and Linux off and on since the 90s.
For the last 10+ years: Mac laptop, Linux desktop, and a Windows laptop for the occasional times it is convenient.
Windows > macos
I thought this until I actually tried windows, it just doesn’t work right ever and feels so weird and old. I wouldn’t use macos, but it’s fine, it feels competently made and for the most part makes sense.
Yes, Windows feels old but at least is usable (10 was more usable that 11 in my opinion). MacOS feels very janky to me and you have to jump to various hoops to do basic things
All Apple products are designed for people who don’t use technology.
They hide the useful bits so people don’t hurt themselves.
It’s the Duplo of computing.
Tell me you’ve never used a Mac before without telling me.
There are plenty of developers who use macs for work, me included. I mainly go with Mac for the build quality/battery life/performance though and also because my work pays for it so I don’t need to worry about the exorbitant price. I would agree that MacOS is pretty janky at times and it requires a few third party apps to be reasonable usable.
But I’m not really sure what you mean by useful bits? I don’t feel like I’m really restricted in MacOS. If there isn’t a UI element for something, you can probably adjust it in a terminal.
So if I understand you correctly, it’s more about the hardware and not the software that’s appealing to you?
Generally, yes. I like MacOS more than windows because it’s at least *nix.
But to be honest I have no strong opinions on OS when it comes to work. I’ve used windows*/Linux/MacOS and none have stood out as far superior to get my work done faster or more efficiently.
I use MacOS with my Mac because that’s what’s installed out of the box.
The main things that seem to hold me back from working efficiently are programs that are required by the company to maintain their ISO accreditation like Microsoft “intune” or what ever it’s called.
*Only when required.
What a ridiculously ignorant position to have. Do you even know how common it is for developers to run macOS?
You’re aware that there’s Unix underneath the pretty polish as well, right?
It is true though, developers use macs because they give you a useful unixy environment but Apple do try to keep that hidden because the people they actually market the devices to are the casual users. I find myself constantly fighting with macOS because it has decided that things must be done The Apple Way and I have to go to the forums to find out where they’re hiding the features. Obviously I’m not going to use Windows for a dev environment (I’m not a masochist), but it’s a shame that most companies can’t be bothered supporting a Linux desktop environment.
Windows for Dev is very common actually. And not just for .Net based stuff. Many devs that I know work on Windows. I used all three OS for Dev and I don’t know why Windows is always listed as a nightmare. Maybe fifteen years ago but not now.
Is that since the rise of WSL?
I work in IT and i’d wager that 95+% of MacOS users don’t know how to find their Library folder or how to view other hidden directories. Keychain Access is also an unnecessarily convoluted system to use as a desktop password manager. The System Settings layout is also not intuitive (not that System Preferences was much better). And although MacOS is a *nix system, there have been plenty of times where I’ve had to Google certain commands to fix things that are different than on Linux.
It’s not true in the slightest. Terminal is an app that comes on every Mac and is shown in the Launchpad and Applications folders. It’s not hidden at all.
It’s not finding the terminal, it’s finding that you need to install xcode separately to configure or run things, or install brew for a proper package manager, or install third party tools to do basic actions like move windows around with keyboard shortcuts. It’s the “our way or the highway” attitude which drives a lot of how they design their software.
They actually heavily target Developers with MacBook Pro, they even have a whole conference every year dedicated to developers.
Also I think fighting with macOS is the problem, there are a few walled off things however it’s not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
I don’t mean this in an accusatory way, but did you create your account just to talk up macs? I know some people really love them, but plenty of people have serious issues with Apple’s entire philosophy. The “our way or the highway” idea is great if you want to do everything their way but when that way doesn’t work for what you want to do then that’s what rubs people the wrong way.
I think the recent line of MacBook Pros (M1 and onward) clearly have a focus on the professional segment - stopping the focus on very thin computers, touch bars instead of function keys and USB C ports only.
I personally love those features as a developer, I don’t need every type of port pretty much just one would be enough in a perfect world we would use wireless to interface all peripherals and media items like cameras
There’s definitely a disconnect between hardware and software. I quite like the hardware and like you say it’s definitely appropriate for the serious user. The OS that updates, changes my settings, and shouts about new emoji reaction features? Not so much!
#iPhonesAreForBoomers
I live with four other people. The two of us over 40 use Android and the others use iOS.
Extracting archives on Windows… LOL
I havent done that on Win11 though
To me it’s MacOS that feels weird.
Windows ≅ macos
Yup, it is simply so lost and uncontrolled that I could totally live in it and replace the garbage software with something else.
I’m surprised you have more upvotes than downvotes, but yeah, this is a comment that I would expect to get lots and lots of votes.
Agreed.
That’s an amazing meme, would anyone happen to have a template of it?
Honestly MacOS is not great. At least with windows machines you can boot into a live system.
And have actual control over the OS.
Seriously, if Apple decides an app is too old, then it flat out doesn’t work. No way to prevent updating either unless it is basically without internet.
Linuxians like to complain about not being able to control Windows, but Mac is like a hundred times worse in that regard. Not to mention ads to all those Apple software on there.
Apple: “Sorry but your hardware seems to be out of date with our OS! Please buy another 3000 dollar laptop that’s only worth 1000!”
Me: “But it still runs?”
Apple: “Does it, though?”
Me: “Well not anymore… Thanks.”
I’ve seen MacBook’s last for 8+ years and remain performant.
They update Macs for a good 8 years or so, which isn’t that bad really. Then you can often just install newer versions with community tools after that.
Edit: I haven’t had one in a few years, apparently that’s not quite true recently as they’re trying to drop x86 support and move everything to ARM
That’s more of an architecture shift as opposed to we don’t support it because fuck you, also Rosetta means most x86 Mac apps will be able to run on the m-series chips.
Not to defend Apple, but doesn’t windows 11 demand you buy new hardware for it to be installed? Something about a TPM?
Yeah you need an Intel 8th gen or a ryzen processor in order to use it without a workaround. Something from the last 6 years.
You don’t need 8th Gen. It’s just that 7th gen specifically doesn’t work. I’m pretty sure older Intel chips are fine. TPM isn’t on your CPU.
Correct, I was trying to keep it simple but yes more specifically you need a TPM 2.0 capable system
You can turn that off (unofficially) no such luck on mac
Does Windows still allow your applications to function update after update if you decide to stick with Windows 10? Yes. Can you just stay on W10 and expect things to keep working? Also yes.
I don’t have to worry about the newest version of Adobe Premiere not being compatible with this older version of iOS, oops now our promo team and our production team aren’t able to share their files because one bought newer Macs and now has an upgraded version of Adobe that Catalina doesn’t support unless you also buy new machines that are allowed to update through to Monterey.
Apple is fine for home use, but as someone who works operations side IT and has to constantly perform network workarounds to get their equipment functional in a commercial environment, fuck Apple and their “We did the thinking for you uwu™️” nonsense.
And OMG, Apples business support is absolute horse shit
Device management? Good fucking luck. Setting up iOS device management is by far the most painful, migraine inducing, poorly thought out, full of the most asinine restrictions process I’ve ever seen in my life.
Setting up Oracle on-prem software is a cake walk compared to Apples shit.
Windows is a business OS with consumer features, MacOS is a consumer OS with business (poorly executed) “features”
Apple: “It just works!*”
*As long as it’s not a business feature
What on earth are you on about? You’re completely in control of updates and you can enable the root account and do whatever you want. It’s still UNIX.
Are you talking about iOS/iPadOS? macOS is nothing like this and I have no idea what you’re on about.
Yeah I think most people have experienced an iPad or iPhone but not a Mac so they assume it’s the same walled garden. What they don’t realise is Mac has been a solid choice for power users, developers and creators of all varieties for over 10 years, this means the community and app selection is honestly ridiculously good.
The only place I’ve ever seen ads on my MacBook is in the App Store, the iCloud section of settings and on Apple’s website, all of which it makes sense for the adverts to exist. Oh wait I may have seen one as a precursor to a YouTube video but sans ad-blocker that is standing regards of OS.
This. Been using Windows since 95 and Linux since 2008. Mac is the only thing I tried twice (for two years each) and I just cannot get past this mobile-feeling of not being able to customise basic stuff. Mac GUI is not intuitive for me. It’s good that people that like it can use it. It’s bad that I don’t have any choice as soon as I am on Apple hardware. I find this meme completely tone deaf. The issue with mac isn’t that it lacks Unix features, it’s everything else.
Surprised about the comments. Mac OS is actually certified Unix whereas Linux distros, while wonderful, aren’t. I’ve never had to use windows for anything other than games in the 90’s so I can’t speak to it now. I’ve used Irix, then Linux, and now Mac professionally. I find Mac to be meh after Mojave. Perhaps BSD was the answer all along.
If you pay enough money to people in important positions then even windows will be UNIX certified) nowadays everything is for sale
Ehh, I’m not sure. In my experience, apple users are too tech illiterate to have any opinions on windows, not even incorrect ones.
Well, “tech illiterate” is relative. Some people may be ignorant of how their desktop works, but do wonderful things with PD or something else for synthesizing music, which requires knowing lots of math and music theory and signal processing.
Never be arrogant, please remember than people doing actual stuff - developers, business analysts, musicians, artists etc, and even lowly office workers sometimes, - are kinda more important than IT personnel. There are of course infrastructure and network admins who know their sh*t quite well and get paid accordingly.
I got haggled for being a macos user in college because, “pc was superior”. Turns out, that the CompSci people that gave me shit about my Mac, didn’t understand the difference between “PC” and "Windows’. My MacBook is still the best laptop I’ve ever owned. It literally survived having beer being pulled into it’s fan, and it’s battery turned into a balloon long ago… it still runs fine, almost a decade later (if I keep it plugged in). I was “tech illiterate” to people because I used a MacBook. But switching from windows to mac, got me comfortable with trying linux. It got me comfortable with being uncomfortable, because I was constantly trying to figure out how to “get this to work on macos”
I’ve met a lot of tech-illiterate people over the years… and they all gave me less shit about trying something different.
I don’t use arch btw
Yet everytime you open Twitter they act like they know what they’re talking about and send clown emojis whenever someone responds with a counter argument
My stepdad used iMac because he doesn’t like Windows.
Haha yup it sucks
Linus Torvalds uses MacBooks.
All three are shit. You can’t change my mind.
Average BSD user:
I use linux for programming and learn to enjoy everything being 3x harder than needed (Stockholm’s syndrome), but it’s not like it’s good
I use Windows for gaming (I could use linux to do it, but windows is easier), but it’s not like it’s any good
I won’t be paying whatever 4 months worth of my income on a MacBook, so it’s not like it matters if macOS is any good
4 months worth of my income on a MacBook
Is it bad that I can’t tell if you’re middle income or just want enough RAM to do something useful?
I just vomit at the idea that they’re making these laptops with ram soldered in. unupgradable garbage you have to pay ridiculous premiums for.
bu bu but its “Apple Unifed Memory” and 8GB of that equals to 16GB of regular ram!!1!
I get that they’re using some fancy mem, it’s not like pc1600 dimms or some shit… BUT not ever being able to yank the old and pop in new? bonkers.
I can’t tell if you’re middle income
I’m from Brazil. I didn’t know this term, but quick googling shows me that Brazil is an upper-middle-income country.
I make around R$ 3620 ($740 USD) per month, a more than average income in Brazil. A MacBook Air M2 15" comes for R$ 15000 ($3069 USD).
Sadly if you’re doing mobile app work Macs are mandatory.
Walled garden starting to look a lot like a padlocked cell…
Why?
Tell me how to make iOS apps on Linux
Nowadays you can use Expo, if you want to use React Native. They take care of everything, so a Mac isn’t needed anymore
If your app needs a lot of native modules Expo simply doesn’t cut it. Developing iOS apps without running an iOS simulator is a lot of pain. In my early days of development my team actually tried this. There are too many quirks for each major mobile OS (Android & iOS) that makes it a lot of pain during testing if you don’t at least try to run it on the simulator.
I agree. It’s not impossible but it’s cumbersome. You at least need an iOS device.
Downvoters scoff at iPhone users.
They all suck in their own unique way! For me I can tolerate the way Linux sucks, and for others it’s something else. But I think we can all agree that bitching about operating systems is great catharsis.
I can tolerate how windows and Linux suck, but window management (or the lack there of) on macos triggers me.
Mac won’t let me do what I want, and offers no explanation and the forums are filled with people telling me why what I want is wrong.
Windows has a way to do it, but it’s hidden behind 17 menus from 8 eras if UI design, and it just won’t shut the fuck up and listen to me. It has needless animations for everything, and trys so hard to be friendly that it’s just infuriating.
Linux let’s me do the thing. It gives no directions on how to do the thing, and if I do it wrong, it doesn’t even tell me that things are fucked until six months later when I discover I accidentally told it to write the kernel logs to the bootloader and everything is on fire.
I prefer punching myself in the gonads to being called stupid or jerked around, so that’s why I use Linux.
The sycophants angrily questioning why I want to do something my own way on the equipment I paid for was the most bizarro world thing, I ended up getting rid of that Mac in large part because of that type of attitude on the forums.
Filthy enlightened centrist! how dare you not pick a side and point out that all sides are equally terrible in their own special ways!
Don’t worry, Linux is still the best. But you have to get people thinking about how they use their operating system before you can get them to see the light.
I’m just playing the long game… I hope.
Linux sucks for natural reasons. It’s easy to tolerate because it’s not trying to fuck with you, it’s just a consequence of being a hodgepodge of software written by nerds for nerds. Windows sucks for malicious reasons. Microsoft is intentionally making it worse, to make more money, and that pisses me off. MacOS sucks because it assumes you’re an idiot, and wants to protect itself from you. I may be an idiot, but that shouldn’t stop me from breaking my own machine, god damnit!
This is why KVM/QEMU with virtio drivers are massively helpful in using windows specific software without needing to dualboot on short notice. Proton also helps run many games on Linux, which is Windows only. Too bad the biggest strength is also a weakness. It’s just a pain to set up and figure out problems that will happen from inexperience
You’re right TempleOS is the only perfect OS
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Im willing to bet someone sometime will have the balls to fork templeos and turn it into an actually usable distro on par with bsd, mark my words
Gotta scrub off the .DS_Store
