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I think the distinction is right in the wording, you can be shot and not killed. In your Wikipedia link they define a mass shooting as incidents where 2 out of 7 of their sources define it as a mass shooting, but 3 of those outlets don’t require killing to happen at all.
On top of that, in recent memory even the Vermont shooting where 3 Palestinian-Americans were shot it wouldn’t be called a mass shooting by that wiki link because they survived (albeit with severe problems) and it was one person short of the threshold.
That being said, the choice of specifying “killing” is sort of weird for outlets to make. If you shoot someone, your intent or expectation is usually for them to die.
Interesting. I’m not American, but somehow I expected bigger numbers in Montana and Wyoming.
You’d need a scoped rifle and some amount of skill to pull off a mass shooting in Montana
I dunno what kind of math games theyre playing with this “mass killing” definition lately
If they didn’t broaden the definition they wouldn’t be able to include knife attacks in their article.
They aren’t attempting to hide the level of Gun Violence, they’re trying to get clicks by re-spinning the data.
Here is a good source I frequent to get a better idea of whats happening day to day.
GVA is decent but a lot of people don’t look past the number totals to try and understand the problem(s). The majority of the incidents recorded there look a lot like this one.
The salient details are depressingly familiar
- Very Late at Night / Early in the Morning
- Socioeconomically disadvantaged participants
- Alcohol / Drugs involved
- Illegally possessed Firearms
You can just walk down the list of incidents and pick them out over and over and over.
https://abc30.com/central-fresno-deadly-shooting-two-men-killed-apartment-party/14141254/
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/4-shot-house-party-over-100-minors-suspect-arrested-aurora/
Honestly, I have a whole lot of issues with how the data is presented and categorize with mass shootings all around.
Now pretty much however you look at the data, we have a major problem and probably multiple different but related major problems with gun violence in America that we are handling poorly and pretty much nowhere else in the world is experiencing the kinds of problems we have. So don’t get me wrong, I don’t mean to minimize the importance of any of the categories of gun violence, I just want more clear statistics on what actually is happening so I don’t have to go sorting through a thousand different news articles, Wikipedia pages, press releases, etc. to get a full and clear picture of what’s actually happening.
Personally, I’d like to see specific stats on
The “classic” mass shooting, someone walks into a place like a school, mall, outdoor public area, concert venue, etc. and attempts to kill as many people as possible more-or-less indiscriminately.
I’d also like to see stats on planned/attempted mass shootings that get stopped before they properly get off the ground, whether police actually manage to act on a tip about a suspicious person, the shooter is unsuccessful and either doesn’t manage to shoot anyone or only shoots one person before being stopped which may keep it from being counted as a mass shooting
There’s also more target situations, domestics where someone shoots multiple family members, or situations like a gang-related drive-by, where the victims are chosen because of a specific relationship to the shooter.
There’s definitely some grey areas in-between, for example someone shooting up their own school, church, or workplace, because they would have some relationship or affiliation with the victims, but it’s somewhat more indiscriminate and they might behave more like the first category than second, or situations in which bystanders get shot, or where the shooter’s specific goal is one or several specific people but they are ok with other collateral damage, maybe they intend to kill their boss but end up shooting 7 other coworkers as well that get in their way, they didn’t set out to kill those other employees, if they happened to not be there or didn’t interfere that would have been fine by them, but they were also willing to do it if it came to that.
I’d also like to see the stats for total shots fired, how much ammo they were carrying, percent of ammo used, how many wounded, how many killed, how many times each victim was shot, types of firearms used, how those firearms were obtained, length of the incident, police response times, previous criminal/psych histories, etc.
Similarly stats on school shootings could use a bit more granularity, a columbine or sandy hook type situation is very different from a situation where a kid brings a gun to school to shoot a specific student or staff member, or from a situation where a shooting happens on school property even if it’s well outside of school hours and no students or faculty are present, etc. but often these sorts of situations will get lumped together into one school shooting category.
And that’s probably just scraping the tip of the iceberg. I could keep going with a whole lot of categories and stats I’d like to see but this comment is already getting too long.
And honestly it’s wild to me that some government agency or at least some non-profit or even a dedicated random person doesn’t seem to have really put together any decent spreadsheet with these incidents categorized and all of the stats. I’m almost certain it probably exists somewhere as the pet project of some CDC employee or something who’s unable to release it due to regulations, bureaucracy, political bullshittery, etc.
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I dunno what kind of math games theyre playing with this “mass killing” definition lately but Ive seen it twice now. America is near or over 2 “mass shootings” a day and has been for a while. This “mass killing” metric seems to be an obvious attempt to hide the level of gun violence in the united states. Here is a good source I frequent to get a better idea of whats happening day to day.
The article explicitly addresses that, and even links to the same website:
Different groups count mass shootings and killings in different ways. Some, such as the Gun Violence Archive, include events in which multiple people are shot regardless of number of deaths, and so report much higher figures. Its tally for the year is 630 mass shootings.
Can you just pay teachers fucking living wage?
No. We can arm them with AR15s though
They’ll have to pay for the ammo themselves, of course.
Just like any other classroom supply.
How about you pay those teachers in AR15s then?
Funny, but horribly impractical.
- training
- safe storage with easy emergency access
- ammunition management
If every classroom has an AR-15 secured behind a desk, then every school can outfit a gang. Remember that the gun violence in countries without so many available guns is coincidentally a lot lower.
And teachers aren’t paid enough as it is. They’re not gonna take a life for the pittance they’re getting.
It was only half a joke, Republicans notoriously have wanted to arm teachers for a long timr
USA! USA! USA! NUMBER 1 BAYBAY! (Shotgun blasts)
Most mass shootings in a single year so far.
World: But it’s already December!
America: hold my beer
I’m sure someone has done the math on it, how many of these mass shootings were right wingers? How many were not right wing trans people?
Try the Southern Poverty Law Center
We’re Number One!!!
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That’s Puerto Rico
That is the joke
Ha ha ha
Don’t tell them…
Nobody tell Donny that PR is a US territory
Accidental liberian
Nobody Liberia’s intentionally
Oof
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Two attacks on Sunday occurring within a couple of hours of each other in Texas and Washington state were the year’s 37th and 38th mass shootings.
Authorities believe a murder-suicide was responsible for the death of five family members in Vancouver, a suburb of Portland, Oregon, just across the border in Washington, while in Dallas a 21-year-old with a previous aggravated assault charge shot five people in a house, including a toddler.
Another attack occurred on Sunday in New York City, when a 38-year-old man stabbed four of his relatives – including two children – as well as another woman and two police officers before they shot him.
Some, such as the Gun Violence Archive, include events in which multiple people are shot regardless of number of deaths, and so report much higher figures.
The Fourth of July long weekend was overshadowed by 16 shootings in which 15 people were killed and nearly 100 injured.
But the deadliest attack of 2023 happened in Lewiston, Maine, on 25 October when an army reservist murdered 18 people in a bowling alley and a bar.
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To celebrate the milestone, ArmaLite is offering a ten percent discount on the purchase of a new AR-15!
Nice! These discounts will really help us break the record next year!
I’m excited for people to come into this thread and insist on a definition of assault rifle.
Or mass shooting
It’s not a mass shooting unless it happens in Massachusetts, otherwise it’s just sparkling shooting
[I]n Dallas a 21-year-old with a previous aggravated assault charge shot five people in a house, including a toddler.
If that toddler was armed it wouldn’t have happened
Sadly I would put more faith into a good guy toddler with a gun than the police from Uvalde.
If that person was actually convicted of the felony instead of likely plead out to a misdemeanor, it also wouldn’t have happened.
All they had was a charge, not a conviction. Are you saying you want to strip the right of self defense from innocent people?
Probably why they used the word “if”. IF they’d been convicted, the incident wouldn’t have happened. Not, they should’ve lost their gun cos they were charged. As it stands, nobody needs a gun for self defence anyway. The number of countries who manage to cope in this way far out numbers the US.
Whose record did we break? Our own?
Obviously
Exactly. Congrats!
We’re number 1!!! Eat it, Canada!
I know Our Town is creepy place, but it does not have any shooting.
Shooters? Not in Our Town!
…honestly, I’d rather get shot
Some, such as the Gun Violence Archive, include events in which multiple people are shot regardless of number of deaths, and so report much higher figures.
This carries a fun implication: let’s deflate the number of mass shooting by only including the deaths and not how many people are actually shot (and perhaps saved by emergency room personnel).
That last part is important, because our emergency responders have gotten very good at saving lives (sadly, they’ve had to). People will point to deaths as the only relevant stat–and it’s amazing that isn’t enough for some people–but it’s a huge burden and cost for healthcare.
I can already hear the wing conspiracy theories about how liberal doctors are letting mass shooting victims die in order to bolster the numbers.
Kind of like the conspiracies they’d throw around about the numbers of cases and deaths related to Covid.
Words have meanings and require definition.
Gun Violence Archive has about the most liberal definition, Mother Jones about the most conservative. (I can’t believe I used Mother Jones and conservative in the same sentence.)
Fact is, when we hear “mass shooting”, we’re thinking of the Mother Jones definition.
“If I just focus on rhetoric, all the rampant gun violence goes away! I mean, no, there is no gun violence. Regardless, everything is fine, you just have to pretend. Guns have nothing to do with gun violence, also war is peace, and I am sane in the head. I’m sure people will buy this if I just repeat it a lot.”
It also encourages confusion that each mass shooting is someone trying to kill as many people as possible in a public place, when that overwhelmingly isn’t actually true.
The new definition is mostly gang violence now, but that’s not what any of us think of when we see or hear “mass shooting”.
It’s a dog whistle for justifying the gun violence as only being between black people and hispanics, as if that makes it okay.
I mean it seems like a change to inflate the numbers, but shifting it to minorities could prolly keep the right quiet.
It also ignores any lingering effects the survivors might suffer, whether physically or mentally. Just because you’re alive doesn’t mean you are whole.
Or economically, given the absurd costs of medical attention in the USA.
It also misses the damage done by witnessing that violence and being shot at and losing loved ones to gun violence.
How do you plan on quantifying that?
You don’t, most people won’t get the mental health care service they need after that type of event and the harm just gets ingrained in those communities.
Mass shooting, not mass killing. I’d even want to know about instances of multiple, unrelated targets. If we get a string of shooters with terrible aim and nobody is actually hurt I don’t consider that an improvement of our epidemic.
Look at all the good all those good guys with guns are doing. /s
There it is again, that funny feeling.
Isn’t this old news already? Wasn’t there already another mass shooting at UNLV that barely makes the news because this happens like three times a month?
What a world.
They need to know make the news at all. They’re only popular because they do make news.
Alternatively, at the rate they’re happening, it’ll stop being newsworthy soon.
It already is. Most mass shootings don’t make the news unless they are very public and go into double digits. Or if they are the shooting that takes us past last year’s
goalcount.
they need to not make the news
FTFY since autocorrect failed you :)
That it did, thank you.
Since they break the record every year, it’s news every year
World? Nah, just US.
